Steve

If it is another rescue group they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, and reconsider both their motivations in doing rescue and in fact their participation in rescue altogether. I think the pop up cat cafe is a brilliant idea and you deserve lots of pats on the back for making such a clever concept work. If another rescue group is trying to block you rehoming cats, they're not a rescue group, they're just a lot of bloody-minded, sanctimonious dills. Poor cats already have enough issues without some nitwits getting their idiot jollies by trying to stop a successful and innovative idea. And now I'll stop before I say what I really think. :laugh: I know Im getting old but what are they protesting about ?

Wise words, Steve. But let's face it, the holier than thous always need to point out others' foibles whist forgetting their own :laugh: Agreed and there are loads of things which impact on that which we can get bogged down on. Some people will feel the urge to campaign as anti this or that and there is probably a place for that though its my experience that all this leads to is more laws which don't really make much positive difference to the dogs. If those who use those "come and save everything before it is killed" tags are honest their goals and aim for their group and target market isn't the same as the market you guys are trying to appeal to and attract as new owners for the dogs you take on. In real life You don't build your market or make too much headway if you bag out those who work differently and see things differently. You can gather supporters and yell and beat a drum - start and activist group or lobby group to address what is going on you don't agree with but its hard to do that and have enough energy and umph left to also work at getting it right yourself. Focusing on and complaining about all the stuff you think is wrong and creates a focus on "rescue" that is against your base philosophies takes your focus off what needs to be done that requires a focus on positive actions and thoughts. In the case of the OP you attracted someone who was more suited to be the target market for the other guys - someone who was prepared to take almost anything on to save something from death.If you want to attract an abundant different market then you need to take a good look at your language and how you market what you do and how you will cope with and manage fundraising. Know who you are, what you do and be proud of it and promote it - then they will come.

I don't want to worry you and most probably its not something else going on - usually just one is seen as pretty normal and your vet is probably right but its is sometimes a warning sign that there is something else going on and spotting that sooner for me is better than later so if it were mine Id ask for the bloods to be checked just in case.

Probably but .....

Did the vet run any blood tests to have a look to see if there is an underlying problem? The white milky stuff you are seeing really is white milky stuff - calcium which is being pushed out of the bloodstream. Sometimes especially if its localised and only in one place it can be caused by trauma but often its caused by an underlying issue and when one is cut off another will show up. if this were my dog I would like some bloods done just to be double sure that its a no big deal and not the first sign of something else going on.

Look we all agree here that this is a preferable method of "saving" and rehoming dogs but some others clearly don't. They feel that if its in a new home REGARDLESS OF THE RISKS TO THE DOG OR THE FAMILY That this is preferable to being dead. Its two major different philosophies and I cant see at least in the short term stopping that from happening. It also drags in the donations because those who dont understand it and who feel for dogs dying in pounds want to give money to help prevent that. So we can either focus on how terrible that is or promote the other and demonstrate the differences . But no matter what some people will continue to do it this way and some people will think they are special and can take any dog and make it work . Personally I think when you have people popping them out of pounds and working people over to take them out of sympathy it has the potential to muck up everything you guys work for in attracting those who want a good family dog suited to their lifestyle and in demonstrating that rescue dogs have limited risks and problems for the families, neighbours and the dogs so we need to be able to clearly promote the differences by focusing on the postive of what you do over the other guys.

The dogs don't seem to have a problem eating the spent flowers if you add it into some other food. So leave the sock and the collar on for now until you see some good results.

You can use it as much and as often as you need to. I do like to give the skin a chance to be dry, but for the real hot flare-ups, it's nothing for me to dab the affected areas 4 times a day or so. If that appeases the angriness of the rash a little, I back off a little .... until the skin is down to a 'cool' pink colour and looking a bit healthy. Then I'll drop off to perhaps once a day, then every other day, until I'm not needing to do it for the while. For me, there have been no rule books - I applied on a "gut feeling/sense" basis, taking into account the angriness of the skin and my dog's behaviour towards it. Lol. I have read of someone's dog who was reactive to kykuya, but then they found the dog was ok if it wasn't cut. Lol ..... I'm sure they ended up with a super long lawn. Not suggesting this is feasible. I didn't do an elimination diet per se ..... there wasn't much to eliminate because we'd come to what seemed the end of the road as Mandela simply stopped eating, even though he was obviously hungering for food and too skinny. That's when I turned to the diet recommended/suggested by Augustine Approved. The diet's up there on his website. That's the "full-blown" diet - not everyone follows it to the 'T', but because my boy's issues were pretty extreme, I did and do. And it helped a lot. It's not so much that you should aim to "boost" the immune system - it's already working over-time as it is. You need to support it, so it can balance itself out a bit. This is where I turned to the hair-DNA testing. What my boy gets is not just a "one thing" herbal supplement. It's a mix of things. I know Steve will have some input to this as soon as she gets half a second - she's mega knowledgeable about this stuff. I'm glad it can be used when the need arrises without worrying about 'overdose' that helps settle my mind. I can use it when Indie needs. The health food store i went to today was out on calendula (we are having no luck with anything at the moment), but a neighbour of ours is looking at another place tomorrow that ma have some. I really cant wait to use it and give her some relief! Ha ha, my 'grass' is more like weeks while I could leave it longer in winter, in summer it gets cut right back to prevent snakes coming to hide. However we could just keep it mud..... I hope Indie isn't allergic to mud, that would be very bad. Looking at the Augustine website, I like what I'm reading. Does this mean that with the addition of the Augustine boost, with the recipe's on the site, that the meal is then nutritionally balanced and correct? And that I wont have to add things like organ meat/liver to the dogs diet? I only ask as my two won't touch organ meat - (no matter what I try). The DNA testing may be something that I try out if the vet and I cann't identify the issue and get it solved - It may be something I do anyway just to check There is a shortage on Calendula flowers in Australia - pretty hard to get at the moment. Look for organic and whole flowers not just the petals. Its better if you can use this instead of shampooing. If you cant find it I can get it to you in a couple of days via mail. While you are waiting don't use shampoo. Oatmeal has been used for thousands of years for treating eczema, poison ivy, wandering dew, insect bites and skin infections due to itsanti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant and anti-itch properties. For relieving the itchiness caused by contact allergies or even sunburn, grind oats or oat flour into a fine powder and pour it into a cheese cloth and let warm water run through it as you add it to the bath. You can also rub the pouch on the itchy skin. Oats contain natural cleansers called saponins that can remove dirt and oil from the pores without causing irritation. They have anti-inflammatory properties and are suitable for all skin types human and dog.They are clinically effective in healing dry and itchy skin. Oats ground into powder are known as colloidal oatmeal which is what is in Aloveen or other shampoos with oatmeal. This powder can be mixed with warm water to form a thick paste and applied over itchy skin to get immediate relief from intense itching. An oatmeal bath is also effective in healing a number of skin conditions including dry itchy skin.You can make an oat milk rinse by adding a cup of cooking oats [even better if you run them through a grinder ] and adding 4 cups of warm water and letting it soak then straining it and adding 4 drops of AUGUSTIFOLIA Lavender oil [The stuff that's in the oats helps to mix the oil into in] and putting it into a squeeze sauce type bottle so you can get it right onto the skin and allow it to stay on for at least 20 to 30 mins before rinsing. This works even better if you make the oat milk with Calendula tea and AUGUSTIFOLIA lavender and leave it on.

Agreed but there is also an element of "I am a grown up- I will decide what is best for my family and I will choose a dog that I want" The concept of anyone pointing out that there is more to it just wont wash with them. So the minute you introduce any type of system where you are assessing whether someone is suited to owning a breed or a dog immediately you know that some are not going to play. Its the ones that will and who get it all who are your target market if that is what you place importance on. There will always be ways of getting a dog which places the dog and the family at high risk and there will always be someone lining up to take them.

Well it really is two different types of "rescue" and two different types of buyer. Some rescues will ensure any dog going home is suitable for a family and the family is suitable for the dog - they will do all that is required to achieve that goal and offer support etc into the future. The type of buyer they will therefore attract are those who care about such things and who want to know any dog they bring in will suit them and their lifestyle - where the assessment and potential risks of taking an older dog into their home is limited because of the work done by the rescue group or person. The other is more motivated and interested in feeling good about saving a dog from being killed and hopefully they are prepared to take the dog as is and do what ever is required to live happily ever after with it.. "Rescue" needs to identify how they will operate and who their target market is - rather than getting mad about those who are not as concerned about assessments and what goes with it and what they do to attract their customers. They need to market what they do so people in the public know the difference and are better able to understand the potential impact.So they attract the type of people who are most suited to their product. But you will always have some rescue which are only concerned about saving a dog from death and some rescue who feel that there are other things which should be taken into the mix. Some people who will take a dog as is in order to keep it alive others who feel that they want to cover other things. Personally I think there needs to be a change of terminology to better identify the differences - so rescue really does mean saving them from death and its urgent and where they have already been saved from death and are now looking for their new homes. different management, different marketing and different fundraising because they really are vastly different and the public need to be aware of that.

This has been going on a long time. The reality is that dog shampoos are really about what owners want and what is best for them not what is best for the dogs. The more you can avoid it - any of it but especially the ones with the harsh chemicals - the better. Skin conditions are always about the immune system and you can muck around and treat the symptoms,isolate and take away the stimulus and give some relief but your focus needs to be on what else is going on. So many things can impact and some of it is sometimes set up even before the dog is born. If you can try what Ive suggested in the PM for 4 weeks with the internal and external Aloe but also stop shampooing and use Calendula Tea - make sure its Calendula Flowers and not just the petals - feed the spent flowers after making the tea to the dogs and re assess after that 4 week period you should see a difference.

Me either.

A cecum ???

They dont have to introduce mandatory laws on ANYTHING - All they have ever needed to do is police the laws we already have and be pro active about prevention than they have been. They introduce these bull shit laws because they cant trust people to follow the laws which keep animals contained and under control etc - so just in case we all just let our dogs run wild and bite people and other animals they keep bringing in new laws so that if we do they are in their opinion less likely to do any real damage. The idiots that don't follow the old laws don't follow the new laws anyway. Why dont rangers do house knocks checking that dogs are chiopped and registered and hand out fines if they are not - why dont councils check that the dogs which are on properties are not only chipped and registered but also adequately controlled etc? Why are people still able to let their dogs run around the neighbourhood off leash without fines being hit on them?

Sending you a PM Julie

Ill send you a PM so you can go into more detail for me so I understand better what you are dealing with Julie

Well ordinarily if you are treating the runs you don't feed them - you take them off food and feed slippery elm and probiotics - maybe yoghurt mixed with slippery elm - if you have no improvement in 12- 24 hours you need to speak to a vet. Or if the dog is obviously un well and or dehydrated.

Cavnrott it is me who cant say thank you enough - you were so kind to me about my son when I spoke to you and you have no idea how much what you said affected me and made me feel better so just so you know - thank you for the order and Im glad you like it but also thank you for being such a nice caring person - just when I needed it.

Essential Dog I have no idea why you feel that you have had to defend yourself or your business - certainly none of my comments were about your products and in fact I never even considered whether you used one type of oil or another in what you do. If you took anything I said as some kind of a go at you or that I made an assumption that you didn't use Therapeutic essential oils that simply wasn't the case. I wasnt even anywhere near thinking of your products. I was explaining how man has been able to replicate the aromas but not the chemical reactions the oils can produce and why I think the chemicals in essential oils may not be as important as the essential oils in their entirety. I know that just because its commercially prepared or made in larger quantities that it doesn't mean its chemically laden and that people should avoid it - its just that some people prefer to do it themselves using only the natural occurring oils in a volume they want to so they know that - they may not always be right but a part of the populations sees things that way - and when I said that I was thinking of tick repellents. My main area of interest and training is in botanical and herbal medicine and when I got my Diploma back in the 80's there was a emphasis on the science of plants and essential oils so there is a whole lot about the aromatherapy stuff and cosmetic data bases I sometimes challenge - such as linalools - which you introduced to the discussion and said you were restricted in how much you should have in a product - I challenged the science and the way the data base is built and restrictions are placed - that has nothing what ever to do with you or your products - neither of which I know anything what ever about.

I actually use the tincture - just syringe 0.5 ml down the throat - doesn't interfere with dinner time at all! Depends on what you are using it for.

Perhaps the requirements placed on commercially prepared formulations is why many people turn to herbal and EO remedies. Mis- use almost anything will lead to problems and allergies can occur to anything. Linalools are the chemicals in a plant that make the fragrance. They all react identically chemically but they all smell differently to humans and other animals and bugs. Man has been able to replicate the fragrance using man made linalools but as yet they are miles away from being able to replicate the therapeutic reaction the oils and plants have. The linalools that smell like Rose Geranium smell the same but wont repel the ticks or do anything else the herb is famous for . The pharmaceutical data bases list such thing as individual active ingredients but dont take into account how often something that has a potential side effect is negated by other components in the oil.Many of the chemicals in essential oils havent even been identified yet and each has hundreds of them which react differently based on how it works synergistically with its own individual chemistry to produce its action. Actions of oils are not due to one or another chemical and the whole oil and not just isolated chemicals tell the whole story. An aromatherapy product may smell nice but only those which have pure therapeutic oils will have a chance at doing what traditionally the buyer expects to get. Its usually only when the are oxidised and used in high concentrations that they become a potential skin problem.Link You can compare the amount of d-limonene of any concentration in any oil to a probable equivalent to that chemical in citrus oil but you cant predict the reaction because citrus is citrus though each citrus is different and regardless of the amount of the chemicals it will have different results than any other oil because of what else is in them. Both Basil and Lavender have linalool - linalool is a known sedative but not many would say that even though Basil has heaps more that it has the same calming reaction. Fact is pure limonene and linalool have anti-cancer effects. One study found that "...linaloolexhibited comparable IC(50) values to the commercial drug vinblastine on theACHN cell line" in killing liver cancer cells.This study found that linalool "may improvethe therapeutic index of anthracyclines in the management of breast cancer,especially in MDR tumors." In otherwords, it aided breast cancer drugs in killing breast cancer cells that hadgrown resistant to the drugs Link . Linalool also shows promise against leukemia.Among the substances tested "linalool showed the strongest activityagainst histiocytic lymphoma cells U937 (IC50: 3.51 microg/ml, SI: 592.6) andBurkitt lymphoma cells P3HR1 (IC50: 4.21 microg/ml, SI: 494.1)." link Lavender oil - not a chemical component of it - has been found to kill anti biotic resistant hospital staph. Link Basil oil has been found to kill cancer cells yet it has 2 chemicals in it known to be a carcinogenic - methyl chavicol- Estragole which co incidentally maybe negated by the high linalool in it .Carnosol which is also in it has been shown to inhibit human prostate cancer cells.it has been shown to inhibit liver cancer . Basil leaf extract has been found to be highly effective in inhibiting carcinogen-induced lung tumor incidence in experimental mice. Basil oil and its components have been shown to have significant anti-proliferative activity in the mouse leukemia and kidney cells. basil oil has been found to significantly inhibit carcinogen-induced squamous cell carcinoma in the stomachs of experimental mice and no one is sure what in it bumps off cervical cancer cells. If we only look at the possible carcinogenic bits we would miss a lot. We all run around being careful to say don't use it neat because of the chemicals in it not necessarily because using it neat pure and non oxidised is a problem. Yes some will cause skin problems but not all of them even though they have linalools. My point is that databases dont give an accurate picture because they address the chemical and not the other information. This may explain why there is such an interest in alternatives which historically do the job. With regard to the OP Rose geranium oil has been used by people for numerous herbal remedies for hundreds of years and it has stood the test of time. Those who have used it on their dogs and horses say it works and none are reporting adverse skin issues. Considering its also a proven anti inflammatory its unlikely to cause a huge rash or health issue if a drop drips onto the skin - though if course no one would recommend using it in such a potentially dangerous manner. I grow Lavender - acres and acres of it and the plant ,oil and distilled essential oil is often handled by me and my family neat and often used for a variety of first aid issues for humans and dogs. So far - 40 years - no rashes.

Excellent!

You can mix it with pretty much anything to hide it - gravy , honey etc

Yep.

Most often, canine bad breath is caused by dental or gum disease. However, persistent bad breath can also indicate larger medical problems in the mouth, respiratory system,gastrointestinal tract, or organs. Persistent bad breath can indicate that your dog needs better dental care or that something is wrong in his gastrointestinal tract,liver, or kidneys. In all cases, it is a red flag that should be investigated by a vet. In the mean time if this were my dog I would add some apple cidar vinegar to his food and a probiotic such as inner health or protexin.Sometimes adding dietary enzymes with dogs fed on commercial food helps too –something like thrive D. If it sticks around you need a diagnosis.