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Does HP desex before release? Or does rescue get them undesexed and the onus is on them to desex? Just wondering about the animals whisked off interstate so rapidly - are they desexed first by PR or not? T.

How do they do desexing and vaccination, worming etc for $150? I'd be theorising that maybe it isn't done at all in many cases... T.

Maybe not Nic... think PIAA and their "accredited" pet shops, kennels, etc... Policy looks great on paper only... T.

Theoretically, every time a pound releases an animal to anyone, the liability for it if it causes carnage is theirs. PR are banking on this fact - especially if they are sending new owners directly to the pound to pick up the animal they are purchasing through PR. Nice little money spinner for PR by the way - in most cases they are getting the animal from the pound for little money or nothing in some cases, then charging new owners for it and having said new owners pick up straight from the pound. As for the animals being sent interstate - where is the backup for new owners or "foster carers" when said animal is not desexed, and they can't get PR to follow through on that either? From what I can see, all PR do when contacted about issues with a rehomed (or "fostered") dog is give the contact details of some other rescue groups to ask for assistance. That - or they delete any references from their Facebook pages and pretend everything is all sweetness and light. Seriously, the only way I can see PR being slowed down at all is for one of the pounds they source dogs from to be sued by a disgruntled recipient of an unsuitable animal. That would make the pound a lot less inclined to work with PR due to possible "splash back" when the poo hits the fan. Unfortunately it may also have the effect of said pound stopping it's association with ALL rescue. Once bitten and all that... *sigh* Regulation of rescue isn't going to solve the issue either - there's virtually no policing of current laws and statutes, so adding new laws and statutes would really be pointless IMHO. T.

Spot on there Panto! T.

Hmmm... we have a couple of pups that may fit the bill... Matilda ia a Kelpie and is about 4 months old, and Ty is Kelpie/BC/Aussie/ACD and 3 months... probably a bit younger than what you are looking for, but both are crate trained and play nice with others. We also have Lola (I call her Shadow) - a black Labrador cross (possibly a smidge of Kelpie) who is 5 months old. Also crate trained and plays well with others. Then there is Pumpkin - looks like an ACD/Corgi cross and has blue eyes - very energetic and willing to please - she is about 9 months old. T.

I hope the person who bought the dog from PR takes legal action against Melanie Norman, this could be one way for her to be investigated and stopped from doing what she is doing. Maree CPR The problem here is that the pound released said dog to the "rescue" (read PR) - PR would legally pass the buck to the council/pound for releasing the dog in the first place. What PR are offering the pounds is something that impacts favourably on their kill stats... WE all know that those unsuitable animals eventually end up in some other council area to be destroyed (in many cases interstate), but I'm not sure that the pounds that are working closely with PR are seeing that far down the track - it's only THEIR OWN stats that they are focusing on - and until someone higher up the food chain makes a complaint, I don't see things changing very much in the near future. Maybe the DLG might be interested in checking up on PR's activities - there will be a huge number of animals that have been released under PR's 16D - can PR authenticate exactly where all of those dogs have been sent? All the DLG need to do is an audit of PR's 16D releases... T.

The pound is happy to allow listings here on DOL... but PR keep taking the photos and using them on their Facebook pages and adding false "temp notes" to them - then asking donations for said dogs. T.

What a smart boy! Was that his first time with the Brick? T.

The general thinking from these cowboy types is that the ethical established groups aren't doing it fast enough... dogs are dying in the pounds while they wait for ethical groups to "save" them... didn't you know that by now? (tongue firmly in cheek with that last comment) Does anyone know how the PR process works? Does the new "foster carer" (let's cut through the crap and just call them the new owner, shall we) pay PR any money for the dogs they are given? What liability does the pound have when placing "reclaim/rescue only" dogs? If that dog goes on to harm humans or other animals, who is legally then at fault? A case could be made by any decent lawyer that the responsibility is that of the council/pound for releasing an animal that had those tendencies - at least that's what PR would assert if legally challenged on that point. Pounds also have the ability to exercise discretion over who they release animals to - 16D or not. A 16D does not automatically mean that the pound HAS to release animals to a group. The fact that other established and ethical rescues are increasingly being called upon to help clean up the messes made by PR - not to mention the evidence showing that people are being sent unsuitable animals willy-nilly, often to areas that are not tolerant of the breed types being sent there, and in a few cases ending up with the animals being euthanaised in interstate pounds, etc... kind of indicates that this group is not one the pounds should be wanting to have a close relationship with. I can see the attraction from the councils for working with PR - lets face it, they are getting a lot of dogs out of the pounds they are using to date - and the councils' "rehoming rate" is looking better... not to mention that they are having to dispose of less animals after euthing them, etc. What attraction is in it for them if they stop releasing animals to groups like PR? If PR are sending large numbers of dogs interstate, by the time problems arise, they are then the responsibility of some other council area, right? Make no bones about it - PR have obviously thought out their plans/strategy very well, and it's probably going to be extremely hard to slow them down, let alone stop them. What I don't understand is how they reconcile all the bad things that have happened to date - when they purport to care so much about the fate of animals in pounds. It's almost as if the only goal is to get animals out of a couple of Sydney pounds - with no thought about their fate once out of those pounds... very strange!! T.

Given that it took the bitch 15 hours to give birth to 7 pups, 4 of whom were stillborn, some malformed, and others displaying discolouration of gums and tongue - I would have thought that the owner of the bitch would have been banging on the doors of the vet clinic at the first possible chance - with mum and pups in tow for a complete and thorough checkup (including the dead ones). Regardless of the outcome, if the bitch was mine, I'd not breed her again. Oh - and for the record - I've lived rural (and even remote), and always managed to get an animal prompt vet attention when required... T.

Not wanting to cast aspersions here, but years ago when my crossbreed bitch was due to whelp, I had ALL of my local vet staff's home phone numbers in case we needed help... and ALL of them wanted to be called if needed... She gave birth to 9 big, fat, healthy pups between 7pm and 1am - and we had them all down to the vet at 8:30am the next morning for a post whelp checkup... and so all the vet staff could coo over them... *grin* Personally, I'd be very leery of a vet who didn't want to see a dog (and pups) immediately when there were still births and an exceptionally long whelp - which I would have thought 9 hours for 7 pups was... especally when 4 were under formed and still born. We have vets on call for our rescues if they come to us in pup... I don't understand why an ethical registered breeder wouldn't have planned for all possibilities, rather than coming onto an internet forum and asking for advice. T.

Katdogs - your tribute to Maggot is spot on... he was an awesome little guy, and your love and care gave him what was probably the best 2 years of his entire life. Vale my little Mate - you will live long in my memories. T.

This is what my Lab girl did to my Rotti/Pittie cross girl... it took 3 policemen, 2.5 cans of capsicum spray, boots and batons, to try to get her to stop the attack. Nothing worked, and it was only when both dogs were exhausted that they stopped the fight. The policemen had their guns out by the end of the fight, and would have had to shoot my Lab if she had kept it up. Needless to say, they never run together any more. Funnily enough, my Lab is perfectly well behaved when out in public, and is very tolerant of rude dogs - however, now I know exactly what she's capable of if she gets it into her mind to retaliate, I'm a lot more watchful when she's out and about, and we no longer go to crowded dog parks... just in case... T.

I just leave my back door open... my dogs then come and go as they please without having to wake me... *grin* Note: I have 3 large dogs who are quite alert and would scare the pants off any intending intruder... T.

Does nothing to stop the "legal" puppy farms though, does it? Those really large commercial enterprises that seem to be thriving no matter what... T.

Well - that's one way to "win" the "right" to use your photos.... *sigh* Not the first time these tactics have been used to intimidate and trade off other people's good name. Is there any actual limit to the number of businesses or names one individal or group can register with Fair Trading? There must be dozens listed under that person's name by now... T.

I have no qualms about recommending euthanasia for dogs with unfixable issues... and have held some while they have been given their wings. It is never easy to have to make the decision to euthanaise - but in some cases, it's the only responsible thing to do. We tend to keep our rescues for longer than most - precisely for the reason that we can know as much about the dogs as possible before finding them a home. What is the point of rehoming a dog if it's only going to bounce back to you or the pound? Rescue is about how well we can rehome... not how many... IMHO... T.

Fairford Rd Vet Clinic is also the Canterbury pound... they may have some cats or dogs you could chip for them... If you supply your own chips, some places are more amenable to helping you out. Belmore Vet clinic on Kingsgrove Rd are also a pound. T.

Could it be possible that you are both allergic to the same thing, and it's not your pup that you are actually allergic to? Just seems funny that you are both showing signs of an allergy... T.

Be careful with anything with tea tree oil in it - make sure it's VERY dilute... T.

I have always just shaved the spot and applied some Neocort for the first attack - and if it doesn't look happier in 24 hours, then I whack on the antiseptic powder to dry it up faster. Growing the hair back was the slowest part of the whole process. T.

Well, I think we may have a "happy ever after" to this story... *grin* One happy family went home today with a puppy that ticked all the boxes for all members. Falgall/Karen, your brother and his family are lovely people, and we are so glad that we could assist them in their search for their 4-legged new family member. T.

He certainly is a handsome lad... and looks like he knows it too... lol! T.

I dont "harass" the clientele... just offer them better options at better prices... *grin* I don't get loud or demand an audience - just attempting to change one mind at a time... the store staff don't even cotton on to what I'm doing... hehe! T.