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People are still blaming the Beagle? People who think that Pitbulls can do no wrong are the breed's worst enemies. Any dog, of any breed can do wrong. And blatantly denying it in the face of evidence just makes Pitbull supporters look like chumps. Sitting in the comfort of our safe homes we can all pass judgement on what we would do in the situation, and how nice and playful it all looks. Yet I have seen so many threads on dol from people who have been approached or attacked by roaming dogs while out walking their dogs etc and I have yet to see one where the victim and the victim dog were blamed for it. It's the beagles fault? It's the homeowner's fault? It's the cops fault? No. It's not. It's the offending dog's fault (and their owners), and they were stopped from causing further damage or fear. End of story. Nothing worng with that at all. It's the law, it's what we as a society expect - to be protected from imminent or actual harm.

a gun can kill a person. It can certainly kill a dog if the shooters aim is good. What a silly thing to say No it's not a silly thing to say at all. Majority of police sidearms use ammunition designed for maximum punch and minimum penetration. Police are taught to shoot centre body mass, whether animal or human the aim is to bring it down and stop the immediate threat, not a clean kill shot. I like Greyt's idea! :laugh:

Oh crap. MM I'm so very very sorry.

They do sound like a bundle of trouble! But will be great company for each other. :) The trick is to not let them be the preferred company for each other, and make sure they get adequate bonding time with humans. Seven weeks is very young, and 3-4 meals would be normal. Yes you don't want big hounds to grow too fast, but that really applies to older pups than this. At this young age you'll be doing all you can too keep enough food up to the rapid growth!

You'll find Parsons on DOL breed community. Here is a random profile with pictures to show you what they look like: http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=63527

He did yes, but pistols are pistols and not highly accurate like longarms. What he did was let fly a couple of fast body hits to bring the animal down and stop it escaping so that it could be destroyed with a closer and cleaner shot. And yes, if that was my dog being attacked I would be out there doing anything I possibly could to stop them, which would likely be even less humane in that short time.

Sorry Mr Mister. Yes Flaves that is sad. But is the beagle injured? Is it maimed and dying in the background while we all worry about the welfare of the offending dog? Which would've been dispatched asap. We need to have a think about where our compassion is aimed here. Loose dogs in the act of attacking animals and rushing people, on those people's own private property. Having been there, done that and taken too many hits from too many ratbag dogs, I would have no hesitation in shooting first. No way a cop or ranger should have to risk serious injury to themselves, anotehr person or another animal to protect the welfare of an attacking dog. The dog attacking sheep analogy still holds. Who here would question a farmer shooting dogs in a sheep paddock? Yet so many will question this. And so little concern voiced for the beagle...

No. The first 2 lines were in response to your post, pointing out that the situation may seem a little more urgent if it was your own dog and yard, and that you might accept help from what ever resources were available. The rest was in reply to the thread. ;)

Because resources rarely match up to daydreams. Or to television based expectations. If two large stray dogs were in your backyard, attacking your dog, and keeping you from walking out of your back door to help it, would you be wanting to wait for a catchpole? Seriously? A dog at large, that attacks - which normally by law includes "rushing" - another animal or person is liable for destruction. So the policeman's actions are upheld by law. Would you do your utmost to stop that immediate aggressive behaviour and try to help the poor victim dog? Or are you going to allow that behaviour to continue while you play soft and cuddly games, and the offending dogs potenttially escape to attack something or someone else. Not one of the people here condemming that cop's actions in shooting the attacking dog has voiced concerns over whether or not the victim dog may have been injured, whether mortally or not. That is a very disturbing thing indeed. These dogs and their behaviour should not be defendable. Yes their owners are to blame, but like already said, they are not there to wear the immediate consequences of being shot. efs

In pounds and shelters yes, it should be although it's pretty easy to change chip details. I know of one instance where a dog had been stolen three years previously, and was surrendered due to health issues the current "owners" couldn't afford. Chip was still in original owner's name fortunately. Said dog was duly returned to his very pleased original owner, much to the chagrin of the other owners who thought they could buy him back after vetwork had been done...

I actually did discuss it, in case you skimmed over my post because it wasn't agreeing with you. You chose not to comment on the prospect I raised of there being more to the story, is that the same as wanting to discuss it? Or is the discussion reserved for those who all agree it is wrong? In short, can anyone here tell me one good reason why official people, whether police or animal control who whoever, who have duties relating to protecting the public, should be spending time and effort and risking the safety of that public as well as themselves, offering dogs like this options? When there are so many dogs out there that no one has time for, such as well behaved former pets, whiling away their days in shelters. Time, effort and money should go where it's most deserved. If that was a person committing a violent act on a defenceless and tied up small dog would we be crying out for vengeance?

This is an old one, get over it. Oh the poor dog, tough luck. Attacking and roaming dogs are a bloody public nuisance and impact all responsible dog owners. Does anyone here know the story? Do you know if that was a one off attack? Or is there a vast range of possibilities involved? ;) Here's a different scenario to the "set up" theory. Police have had multpile calls from a neighbourhood about loose dogs harrassing and attacking pets, harrassing people and being a general danger to everybody. Police have attended multiple addresses and seen maimed and dead pets and spoken to frightened people. All those calls are accompanied by a description of two pitbull types, one brindle and white and one fawn. Now watch the officers entrance and see how you react. Feel any different? Funny how things look different with a story behind them. If someone here posted a video of a dog chasing sheep in Australia, regardless of attacking, maybe just running about seemingly enjoying themselves, and that video then showed a farmer shooting them without hesitation would everyone criticise him? Or would we say "That's the risk you take letting your dogs roam, farmers are within their rights to protect their stock." We need to think with our heads and not our hearts.

Slightly OT sorry... Surely there are more than 4 or 5 WSS in Australia?? There were 7 exhibited at Canberra Royal yesterday...

I'm with K9Angel and have always used Septicide. You can get it from a produce or horse store if your pet supplies place doesn't have it. Fantastically handy stuff to have around!

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:laugh: Yep. I'm not about to clip off my dog's ears and scissor shape into them like poodles in the US style so I may be up against it too! :D

I'm hearing you on that one!! I'm only taking 2. But will have a few at the Hound Club show if anyone wants to pop by and say hello. :)

Most greyhound adoption groups won't adopt to outdoor only homes as Greys are sensitive to the cold. With good kennelling and attention to rugging it can be done.

I wasn't implying two dogs were better - far from it. I was simply demonstrating that the time this dog may spend alone each day may be more of a defining factor in choosing a breed than whether it is indoors for x amount of hours each day.

If you don't track it down let me know and I'll go stickybeaking... It doesn't take much incentive for me to go peeking at Clumbers...

I don't think it's the outside living that could be challenging here, it's the solitary time. Many breeds are not good at being alone for extended periods, and like some have pointed out, those that are may be more indifferent to humans anyway. My dogs live outside and don't suffer for it. They do come inside sometimes, it's an important part of learning manners etc and they like it. But it isn't necessarily every day - some days they are happier playing in the mud! But they have a settled pack routine and each other for company as well. Plus they don't like being warm so in winter time so prefer to be outside! I'm not about to turn heaters off to accommodate them! :D I think the recommendations of older dogs are a great idea, and well worth considering. I know how hard it seems to miss that puppy bit, but puppies and toddlers are often a hair raising mix, toddlers are easily knocked over and bumped heads can be serious in the wrong circumstances (like on concrete!). Breeds like Labs and Goldens are renowned as being great with kids, but can be boisterous pups. An older dog gives you that element of predictability that fits much better with little kids. I would say no to Beagle or anything else pack-oriented like that as they will be noisy and destructive when alone. Possibly breeds in the Gundog or Working dog groups? German or Belgian Shepherd, Smooth Collie, Springer Spaniel (Welsh or English), Field Spaniel; Flatcoat, Labrador or Golden Retriever, German Wirehaired Pointer etc. But again I would recommend considering an older dog that is a known quantity. Add to that knowledge of it's exercise needs and you could do very well! Getting a 40-60 minute brisk walk in daily is a great way to stay fit enough to keep up with toddlers!! :) The other consideration with a mostly outside dog is coat. While short and smooth may be appealing for a variety of reasons, slightly more coat can be very important in cold and even in hot weather.

Have you looked into proban? I think it can be used on both dogs and cats.

Such is te case wit many coated breeds. Can you tell on a Shihtzu? Or a Samoyed? Or a Poodle? (except fr the bare bits of course!) The judges use their hands for a reason. Coat can be grown, or trimmed, to give all sorts of visual illusions as to what is underneath, good judges feel their way past what they can, or can't see.

The Dachie was gorgeous! That beautiful head and expression! And the wagging-est tail in the line up! :D We can find historical pictures to prove whatever point we like about older breeds. In my breed for exmple I can find photos from the 19th to early 20th century of both lesser and more heavily coated examples - so using either to prove the breed carries more or less coat these days is a moot point. In Pekes, yes some examples DO carry excessive coat, that interferes with their movement. It can be a problem in the breed, and changes to several Peke standards have been made accordingly. Malachy doesn't, I can see his legs and under him as he is walking. He has a lovely face, with a broken nose roll and gorgeous clear eyes not obscured. He has great open nostrils for a toy brachy breed and breathes without difficulty. Pekes do move fast when they want to, and are complete clowns gambolling around. But the gait they are judged at is a walk, which shows the characteristic roll well, which also indicates they have correct and sound structure. We would'nt expect a Chihuahua to get around the ring at the same speed as a GSD, so why would we expect it of a Peke? Here is another couple of historical peke pics, and if you add in modern coat care, better brushes, shampoos, diet etc these dogs would probably carry slightly more than pictured. I'm pretty certain human hair can be better looked after these days than over a hundred years ago. That doesn't mean we've been breeding any differently, it can be environmentally affected as well. When trying to attack wlefare issues in dogs, it is best to have some knowledge on the subject before spouting off, lest all credibility goes out the window.

That's exactly what I thought too Jed! They were just lovely, and all having a great time. Did you guys see the scuffle behind the officials at the start when they were announcing the judge? Looked like two young ladies trying to jump in with signs, they were tackled and removed... I wondered if t may have been a Peta or similar protest?