Bullbreedlover

True, very true I will never forget working our boy in the winter in NZ. He collected the frost on his whiskers and tips of his ears while getting the cows in in the morning. He looked so cute. And he used to chuck his bedding out of his kennel and sleep in the run even in the winter. Oh I wont get into the GSD debate. Sounds way too scarey for me LOL

And to me Kavik this is just wrong. Perhaps I should bow out of this as I maybe just a bit too passionate about standards being there for a reason. The reason that Kelpies must have a ruff and brush tail is to keep them warm when the temperature in the outback rapidly drops at night. I give up. What the heck do I know anyway.

I totally do not agree with these statements. They are not superficial qualities. the standard is what makes the kelpie. I guess it may be one of those things that I am standing alone with :D which remain valid today. Over the years the original standard has been subject to amendment and addition by the Canine bodies responsible for the conduct of Dog Shows. Most of alterations have related to superficial qualities such as coat colour, texture, length etc. etc. The different appearance of Show Kelpies today has been caused, in my opinion, mainly by a lack correct interpretation of structural requirements and a practical knowledge of stock work and pastoral conditions. The production of a written description of breed type requirements for Working Kelpies stems from the need to place prime importance on the dog's ability to perform efficiently and to remove the emphasis on the unrelated and unsuitable qualities set down in the standard adopted by the Australian National Kennel Control and which is used as a guide by breeders of Show Kelpies. ... Breed type and conformation should not be confused or lumped together. It is easy to place too much importance on ‘type’; the word type in this case being used to describe general appearance. So you get an owner saying ‘Old so and so are not a good type but worth all the others put together’. ‘Old so and so’ may well be superior because his conformation or skeleton and natural working ability are closer to the ideal. The fact that his ears are half up, or he has a white streak on his face, white feet or that his coat is scraggy and so on, has nothing to do with his conformation. Such things are on the surface and whilst they may not please the eye they do not affect ability Conformation is the way the frame is proportioned and put together; what covers it will not affect efficiency to any real extent. No dog is truly perfect and no one fault could be exampled as the cause of inefficiency. A bad shoulder is not seen on an otherwise perfect dog; the fact that the shoulder is wrong will affect the other parts to varying degree

Interesting to note that the standard states the colour of the eyes to be brown, harmonising with the colour of the coat yet in the pictures of the two tones, the eye colour is matching the colour of the points. (Blues can have lighter coloured eyes) Which is not the true colour of the coat. Ears are to be moderate size not large and where oh where have the ruffs, brush tails and fox like appearances gone to?

This is Tye from the Tinaru and Corindell/Corindale lines

In stonebridge's case, I'm not meaning to be provocative but if it is not a "nice dog" then on what basis if your "love" of two tones? As mentioned above, I'm assuming that 'nice' means strict conformance to show breed standard, otherwise how can it be possible to love what is not nice When I look at a Kelpie I envisage a working dog, lithe and active BUT SHOWING NO SIGN OF WEEDINESS. They should be hard and supple. Alot if not all of the two tone Kelpies(and alot of whole colours as well) that I have seen in NZ and here are very much lacking in bone and substance that I like to see. Just my opinion But I love the colour of the two tones. I would have one in a heartbeat but it would have to be an exceptional specimen. I am a big advocate for correct coats on dogs. Whether they are working or being shown. Due allowance being made for moulting time. I am a big advocate on characteristics of breeds. For without the characteristics you really dont have type. I have owned a beautiful show and working Kelpie. Taking out a Specialty reserve in show(beaten by his dad only)and he was an NZ National challenge winner.He wasnt perfect(nearly LOL) but heck he could work all day with the cows and bulls. sun up to sun down. That is my ideal Kelpie

To be honest it is hard to say.Many Bulldog breeders do not take these into concideration. I think by xraying and analysing the ball and socket joints and by breeding sound stock to sound stock the prevalence of bad HD must improve. Also by breeding dogs which have good muscle tone and structure as well.

isnt it just a wonderful smell. also lovely when they are in the car and there is no where to escape the smell

We have owned, shown and worked a kelpie whos lines were both show and working. But he was a solid colour. My husbands uncle has a strictly working line Kelpie bitch who is two tone. In comparing the two while they were both maturing my preference was for our boy whose overall construction conformed to my ideal dog. With the two tone Kelpies I have seen in NZ I have found them to be alot finer in bone than the solid colours. I also found that the characteristic ruff and brush tail were very much lacking. A must in the kelpie. In my honest opinion havng seen both lines here in Australia I still prefer the show lines. I am of the opinion that many working kennels care not for the standard which is wrong. The standard is there for a reason. Yes sure the dog can work all day, general conformation to a point is still there but the main characteristics are not. ETA Dont get me wrong. I absolutely love the two tones but I have yet to see one which makes me look twice and say...yes, a nice dog.

Depending on the severity of her fault Kaffy, I would be keeping her. And also depending on your home situation. There are no disqualifiable faults in Bm's but each fault as such should be considered. And bred to a dog who otherwise excells where she may fall short must be a plus

;) ;) when I first read the topic I didnt see the word dog, just the word sex "What sex do you prefer :D :D oh dear

I have had Bulldogs and Frenchies xrayed without any form of sedation. In my opinion and that of our old vet it is more dangerous to sedate a dog than to put the dog under full anaesthetic.

Could you explain this further, Stonebridge? It sounds like you're saying that perfect or good hips are undesirable in a bulldog, and some degree of hip dysplasia is desirable, since having great hips makes them move less like a Bulldog and more like a normal healthy dog? I hope you don't mean that, since surely health should come first in all breedings? In order to understand what I mean you need to understand more in depth the make up of the Bulldog. In no way am I saying that HD in a Bulldog is desirable. But it does exist. Bulldogs have a much shallower femoral cup than most breeds. It would be very difficult for the Bulldog to execute the proper Bulldog "roll" if he had the socket of a greyhound. That doent mean to say that breeders should not concetrate on good hips. There are good breeders and bad breeders. Just because breeders hip score their Bulldogs doesnt necessarily mean that they are breeding good Bulldogs. Soundness must be very important but breeders can lose sight of other important aspects of the Bulldog.We have xrayed our Bulldogs but we do not score them. In all the years we have been involved with dogs of different breeds and in 30 years of Bulldogs you get to know what sound construction means and what to look for. When you look at the Bulldog standard you pretty much have to chuck all other breed standards out the window for you can not compare a Greyhound to a Bulldog, or a Dalmatian to a Bulldog. The Bulldog is such an individual breed with each point there for a specific reason. The forequarters being tacked on to the body,ribs well rounded, the pear shape, hind quarters lightly made in comparison. They are not a "normal" dog. HD is in my opinion a make up of thirds. One third genetic, one third diet and one third damn good luck. By not over exercising bulldogs, making sure their diet is correct and by crossing fingers with breeding programmes you can only hope. Indescriminant breeding by many people have changed the Bulldog in so many ways. In saying all this it is heartbreaking to see a Bulldog not sound.

Very rarely in a Bulldog will you find that there is no form of hip dysplasia. The way the Bulldog is formed means that you will not find perfect hip sockets and if by chance you do then I would seriously question the correct makeup for movement on that Bulldog. Hopping and skipping may also mean a patella problem. Generally Bulldogs hips do settle into place as the dog is maturing but there are always exceptions to this rule. The hind quarters are meant to be lighter than the fore but you can also get "too light" and from this not enough muscle tone forming around the hip sockets or first and second thigh I am suggesting you get a second opinion Just let me get back to you on a vet down your way that does deal with French Bulldogs unless someone else can recommend a Bulldog vet. many a time non specialist vets diagnose problems without knowing full facts.

Fine with me I was able to reprint it. I cant find the judges one. I know there is one around somewhere. Maybe it is a very rare breed one now :D

They do have a breed standard for an exhibitor :p CHARACTERISTICS A pleasant intelligent person, helpful, considerate, attentive and of a sporting demeanour. Always willing to give advice and assistance to newcomers, or to others needing it. Attentive to the needs of the dogs being handled, and present each dog to its best advantage. GENERAL APPEARANCE A neat, smart, fit looking individual, well-groomed, well shod and well-equipped, who moves freely both in and out of the ring. TEMPERAMENT Calm, confident, unhurried and friendly. HEAD Neither big nor pin headed. Skull broad to allow for plenty of brain power. Expression pleasant and smiling, regardless of judges' decisions, other exhibitors' actions and the dog's behaviour. Nose small so as to not be stuck into where it is not wanted. EYES Sharp and bright Observant of other exhibitors location, judge's hand signals and the movement and position of all dogs in the ring. MOUTH Usually best kept closed except to briefly answer judge's questions or to congratulate successful exhibitors. Teeth clean, white and presented in a smiling fashion at all times. NECK Long enough to hold the head up proudly and flexible enough to turn the head as to observe everything that is happening in the ring. Should never be stuck out. FOREQUARTERS Shoulders broad and able to shrug off unsporting comments from other exhibitors. Arms of sufficient length and strength to extend a handshake to the winners, keep a firm hold on the dog, collect any prize cards, and give a friendly pat to the dog all at the same time. BODY Sufficiently slim as to not impede other exhibitors leaving the ring and to not completely block the judge's view of all the dogs behind. HINDQUARTERS Well developed and strong so as to be able to move the dog in the ring at its optimum speed. FEET Firmly on the ground as this is only a sport after all. To be kept out of the mouth at all times. GAIT Free moving and graceful, moving in harmony with the dog's speed. COAT Dress should be neat, clean and tidy, neither flamboyant nor immodest, but designed to allow free movement without distraction to any dog in the ring. Feet should be well shod in practical shoes to allow for easy movement. COLOUR Should be chosen to complement the colour of the dog, or if several different coloured dogs are being handled, to at least not completely hide the outline of any dog, e.g. Wearing a long black skirt when showing a black dog. SIZE Exhibitors may come in all sizes and shapes, the only limitation being ability to do justice to the dog when in the ring. MAJOR FAULTS Dirty or scruffy appearance, grumpy, vicious or flustered temperament; swollen head; loud mouth, especially when used for insulting comments or bad language; unsporting behaviour; unkempt dress. NOTE: The usual Kennel Club requirement that all males have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum has been dispensed with, in the interests of decorum and to avoid any sudden inspections with attendant violent reactions, while male exhibitors are attending dog shows.

Hi STITCH Is she an entire bitch. Has she recently (the last few months) been in season have you got a white blood cell count done at all.

Forwarded of course with permission from the French Bulldog Club of America COLOR AND THE FRENCH BULLDOG BREED STANDARD The Constitution of The French Bull Dog Club of America says: "The objects of the club shall be . . . to urge members and breeders to accept the standard of the breed as approved by the American Kennel Club as the only standard of excellence by which French Bulldogs shall be judged Our Standard has included basically the same color requirements and disqualifications since they were added in 1911. During the intervening 97 years, it has listed the following as disqualifications: solid black, black and white, black and tan, liver and mouse color. In the FCI (Fédération Cynologique Internationale) Standard, the term "mouse grey" is used (Mausgrau in German, gris souris in French). Since our color disqualifications were added the same year that a Conference of French Bull Dog Clubs of Europe, at which our club participated, developed the European countries' standard, it is clear that the "mouse" in the US Standard referred to the mouse-grey coat color shown by dogs expressing the recessive "blue dilution" (D/d) gene. The genetics of canine coat color is complicated because there are several genetic loci involved, some of which control the color and intensity of the pigments, and some of which control the pattern of distribution of these colors. Briefly, there are two types of pigment in dogs— a light pigment (phaeomelanin) which may range from reddish through yellow to pale cream; and a dark pigment (eumelanin) which is either black or brown. French bulldogs should carry only the gene for the black type of dark pigment and therefore should have only black noses, lips and paw pads. Brown pigment in the coat or nose/lips/pads is unacceptable (and is the "liver" that our Standard deems a disqualification; it is also a DQ by the FCI standard). The light pigment gives rise to a range of fawn coat colors — all phaeomelanin, but in various degrees of concentration to produce the range of pigmentation from red through fawn to cream. Some fawn Frenchies have a black mask, which is a recognized and acceptable coat. There is a "pattern" genetic locus that gives rise to brindle coats. Brindle Frenchies have a base coat of fawn hairs through which black hairs extend in bands to produce a coat ranging from a "tiger" brindle in which the fawn hairs predominate, to the more common dark brindles in which the black hairs predominate. In some of the latter, the black hairs are so numerous that there may be only a small number of fawn hairs arranged in one or more bands. Our standard refers to "a trace of brindle," which should have enough fawn hairs to demonstrate this pattern. There is no such thing as a "brindle hair" since brindle is a pattern consisting of a mixture of black hairs and fawn hairs. Another 'pattern" gene produces pied (piebald) in which the coat is white with pigmented patches most commonly located on the head, tail base, and "saddle". The pigmented patches may be either fawn or brindle, but in a brindle pied dog there must be enough fawn hairs visible in at least one of the pigmented patches to provide the brindle pattern, so that it is not the disqualified "white with black." Another pattern gene gives rise to black-and-tan (black with tan points), also a disqualification in both the US and the FCI standard. While there have been some black and tan Frenchies, these are rarely seen. The color that has become more widespread in recent years, and which some are promoting as "rare," is the "blue" coloration caused by the recessive gene called "Blue Dilution" (D/d). This gene can act on both the dark (black or brown) and light (red to yellow) pigments. In a brindle or a brindle pied dog, what should be black hairs (as well as black pigment on the nose, and paws) is a slatey blue-grey color. In a fawn or fawn pied (white with fawn markings) dog, the fawn hairs are a silvery fawn and the nose, the dark mask (if there is one) and paw pads are slatey blue-grey. Any French Bulldog that has mouse colored hair - whether on a brindle or a fawn dog - should be disqualified as mouse. The coat color constitutes a disqualification - as does the nose color. Although some people find blue Frenchies attractive, neither they nor their offspring should be sold for show or for breeding, as they all carry a disqualifying genetic fault. If a blue dog (d/d, with two copies of the recessive "blue gene") is bred to another blue (d/d), all of the resulting puppies will also be blue (d/d). If a blue dog (d/d) is bred to a non-blue who is NOT a carrier of the blue gene (D/D), ALL of the puppies will be carriers of, but will not express, the blue gene (D/d). If a carrier of the blue gene (D/d), is bred to a non-carrier (D/D), 1/2 of the puppies will be normal non-carriers (D/D) and 1/2 will be carriers (D/d). If two carriers are bred together (D/d X D/d), 1/4 of the puppies will be blue (d/d), 1/2 will be carriers (D/d), and 1/4 will be normal non-carriers (D/D). Some people mistakenly believe that even though a dog may have a blue dog in its ancestry, that if no blues have been produced in several generations that means that their dog can’t be carrying the blue gene. This is wrong. It is not like mixing paint in a bucket, progressively diluting out the undesirable gene. A recessive gene will keep passing hidden and unchanged through an infinite number of generations of carriers. The insidious thing about a recessive gene is that carriers pass the gene on to about 1/2 of their offspring, producing another generation of carriers; then those carriers pass it on to 1/2 of their offspring, and so forth, so that the gene spreads unnoticed through the gene pool as people unaware of an affected ancestor breed its descendents. It will only surface when a carrier is bred to another carrier (or to a blue), which happens when people do linebreeding. This is one of the beneficial things about linebreeding; it exposes the presence of undesirable recessive genes in a line, so that responsible breeders can undertake to eliminate them. eta Tan, mouse and grey/blue are highly undesirable colours in Australia. There are no disqualifications though. It is up to the judge to place them accordingly

PomsNZ and anyone else involved in this case. Never be scared of someone who abuses their animals. Especially not this person. Stand up for those who can not speak for themselves. I hope he is kicked out of NZKC. The stories I could tell would have you cringing. If I witnessed the event you can sure as heck believe I would of said something for he does not scare me in the slightest.

Have pm'd you PomsNZ

While I dont advocate anyone poking and prodding around the eye area, the experienced person can tuck the gland back into place. This needs to be caught in time otherwise the gland if left out will become swollen and irritated and then will become impossible to be put back into place and will definetely need to be stitched or taken off. There is a bit of a knack to doing this. A few of our Bulldogs have had a cherry eye as young puppies. In most cases we were able to massage the gland back and as the puppy matured a bit more the gland stopped protruding all together. If you are not going for the surgery then ask your vet to show you how to do this proceedure

Have only just read of your week from hell Kaffy. So glad Chase is finally on the mend. Hugs to him from our crew. Debs

Need to scroll down. I have scrolled and scrolled and scrolled until I could scroll no more.

I must be doing something wrong cause all i can do is get on to the homepage. Download a couple of random breeds but the google ads on the left take up most of the page. I cant downoad any Bulldog or Bullmastiff breeders or anything else really.

I would leave it open Maggie sliced her pad open almost exactly like that. I bathed it twice a day to remove dirt etc and she healed as good as new.She was also on restricted exercise until I could see it was healing properly.