~Anne~

It 's only semantics P&R, ignore me, I am being picky. From my understanding they don't buy it bulk and re-label it. The labeling is done at the place of manufacture as is any of the generic supermarket brands. My brother worked at Arnotts and explained even with chips, the product is graded (although it was the original potatoe I think that was graded before the chips were made). Grade 1 chips went down one conveyor belt and were packaged as Arnotts varities, grade 2 travelled along another and were packaged as another brand and grade 3 tavelled along another and was packaged as No-Name chips.

To be more precise, Aldi products are branded differently as opposed to repackaged. From my limited knowledge, and explained to me when a cousin worked for Aldi, there are three gradings for most grocery products. Grade 1 is the highest (premium) and grade 3 is the lowest (products such as no-name, no-frills - all generic). Aldi have two lines. One has their own 'generic' label and this is usually grade 3 and the other 'premium' Aldi brand is grade 2.

Is there an echo in here?

I have a dog that ate loads of it when I last put it on my garden. He didn't get sick but the frequency and amount of defeacation was unbelievable! This time I decided to do it differently. I have soaked the DL pellets in water for a week to make a concentrate then mixed a small amount of that in a bucket of water and 'watered' the garden with it. He now walks around smelling the garden but hasn't found any of the DL to eat.

There is NO evidence that hw injections cause seizures or epilepsy.

I wouldn't be putting her to sleep just yet. Please hold off if you can and try other things first. I belong to a large list that is for dogs with seizure disorders and what you are describing is more common then you think and many of these dogs go on to live happy lives! Of course, in this instance, it may not be possible but please... if there is anyway of holding off until you receive further advice then do not euthanaise her. It may sound hopeless but it may be able to be controlled. What has the vet got her on to try and stop her status? PM for further detail if you want to discuss this more.

Which country are you in? - I gather you are in the US? I did a quick search of this site for the thread but there were far too many to sort through. Let us know what you find. It seems to be an ongoing debate. The last lot of figures I looked at showed that in reality very few deaths were reported. There was some thought that one adverse reaction was the development of epilepsy (hence my interest) but after some considerable research and many, many disucssions with my general vet and also the neurologist that treats my epi dog and countless other experts and armchair experts, I have to say I am not convinced that this injection is that bad.

Me too

Evelin, the reason why you don't undertsand it is becuase you need to investigate the ingredients of both PH6 and 12 and then compare them. It is not, as you think, simply a doubling of the active ingredient. Sorry I can not explain it myself but there is a thread on this forum somehwere, where a vet who is a member of this site, explained the difference in the drugs. As to the reactions to the drug - it is not as common as people think. There is so much hysteria on the web about the hw injection and most of it is exaggerated. Most of what is written about the yearly injections is written by unqualified people without evidence. There is a large amount of study based evidence on the web if anyone cares to look and they will see that the reaction to PH12 is on par with the reaction of many other drugs given to dogs in this day and age. PH6 does have a higher incidence rate however. Personally I have chosen to resort back to the monthly oral dosing only because I beleive that if anything ever does go wrong in the future, it is only a month of the drug in their system and having an epileptic dog I am always wary of other medications he may take. In saying this thoug, I have always administered the yearly preventative until now and have never seen a reaction in my dogs.

I'm with you Jed. There is no telling just what the poor dog has been through in the last month. I wouldn't be judging them just yet. Lets face it, if they didn't care for the dog they wouldn't still be advertising to find him. So.... has anyone contacted the people from the ad to see if it is their dog?

I'd avoid the falvoured ones Myszka as they are filled with sugar. I only feed low-fat natural yoghurt to mine. Usually Jalna.

Might be worth pm'ing the OP as well just to make sure she sees your comment???

I suggest a pm to Cordy. She has experience in building up dogs that are severely emaciated in her rescue. These two recent ones spring immediately to mind; Thread

Hi Kym, How is he this morning. I hope you b oth got some rest through the night.

poodlefan and Cordy!

Sorry have no idea what that is Edited to say: OMG I can't believe I just asked that LOL no i don't have 'skinkids' *slinking off totally embarrassed* How cute!

Out of context? It appears you have issues with comprehension.

silverdog - these are two different issues. How can you compare BSL with a discussion about desexing? One is a debate on the pros and cons of desexing and the other is LEGISLATION preventing people from exercising a democratic right to own the breed of dog of their choice. There is no comparison I'm afraid.

So - for dogs that will be ultimately desexed they need to go through not one, but two surgical procedures? Doesn't this then increase the risk of complications related to surgery for these dogs? Wouldn't it be far better to only prepare the dog once for surgery? Strange logic.......

KC is a virus and much like the human influenza virus, there are many strains. The vaccination only covers the most prevelant I believe and even then it depends on which vaccine you get as to which strains it covers. The other thing it could be is an irritation or inflamation of some sort from the tracheal tube that would have been used during the surgery... but I wuld think she would have shown symptoms before now if this was the case.

The first paragraph on that site is enough to put me off reading any further. The word 'zealot' comes to mind.....the writers are the obvious ignorant ones if they seriously believe that dogs should not be speyed and instead we should just teach people to be more responsible. Morgan, for me, you just lost the debate by putting up that link. Perhaps if you showed a reputable site that gave medically proven facts then more people would be able to make informed judgements about the debate.

Hi Suzanne, I hope you are still holding up as I know how much Amber meant to you *hugs* We are all still thinking of you.

Morgan, There are many opinions on early desexing. The example you have spoken of above is not common. I guess it is up to the individual to decide on the pros and cons. I for one have no hesitation about puppies being desexed and am all for it.

Dogs and humans do not swallow their tongue during a seizure.

If your friend needs any support there are many DOLers with epileptic dogs. My Monte is an epileptic. He has been seizure free since Feb (fingers crossed). Staffy-lover also has an epileptic dog and a few others I can't think of right now. I have had Monte to the Specialist Centre at Ryde just recently.... expensive (over $200 just for a consult and nothing else!) but they are certainly worth it for their expertise. They have a specialist Neurologist who is an expert on canine epilepsy. Your best bet is to let the vet see him. No need for emergency a/hours visit unless he continues to seizure or shows other symptoms that are life threatening. I recommend that you video the episode, if possible, to help the vet with his diagnosis. The only thing you need to do while he is having a seizure is to make sure he can't injure himself and that he doesn't overheat. Make sure he is on th efloor in the clear of anything that can fall on him. Sit with him to reassure him. He may, as someone has already mentioned, bump into things as if he is blind and be very disorientated after the seizure. Again, you should just ensure he can't hurt himself and doesn't overheat. PM me if you like with any queries.