asal

On 15/04/2022 at 12:32 PM, tdierikx said:

Humans communicate mostly with vocalisations... ie. talking...

 

Animals learn that this is how we communicate, and they choose to respond (or not) to it... most react favourably and try to communicate back in their own ways... if we are "listening".

 

I am one of those people who will happily chat away to pretty much any animal, and I am definitely "listening" to their responses. I get back SO much from animals of all types, so I'm not about to stop because some other human might think I'm silly or strange... more fool them I say...

 

T.

the problems are the ones who never train their fur child as they dont want to restrict its options or 'traumatise" it by setting boundaries

well remember a neighbour who never said NO to his dog.   I could see it was running all the decisions but it all came to a head the day the dog decided he was not dropping his food fast enough and bit him clean through the arm.

for some strange reason he got rid of the dog after the second "attack?"

He failed to understand his dog had warned him, drop it now or else at the second growl!

I learnt fast when he began jumping on me and tearing my clothes, if I told him to stop, he would then discipline me by biting and really ripping my clothes instead of tearing them with his nails. I made sure he could not get into my place anymore.  he had also taken to biting my horse on the nose, but my horse soon taught him to back off after almost caving in his head with a hoof.

fixing the fence solved my and my horses risk. 

On 15/04/2022 at 12:26 PM, tdierikx said:

 

So far it looks like they are only looking at the Victorian State election that is coming up soonish.

 

I kinda got a bit put off by the fact that when I sent a message to one of the party founders to ask a question very early in the formation of this party, I am still waiting for any response whatsoever - 4 weeks later. I have also tried to post a couple of topic starters which have been quashed by the admins without any reason or response. I'm not about to join a party that doesn't seem to want my input or discourse, even if it's free to join at this stage of things.

 

Right now, I'm not as enthusiastic about this party as I was at the outset... the more time passes, the less is becoming apparent as to their actual agenda, ability to follow through, and who the heck is running things.

 

I've joined Animal Care Australia, a seasoned lobby group that definitely more aligns with my stance. They don't run for public office, just stay abreast of upcoming animal related legislation and make sure to make sensible submissions on said legislation, including attendance at all inquiries and committee hearings regarding animal legislation. Much more effective methinks...

 

T.

very dissappointing

On 06/03/2022 at 10:47 PM, PossumCorner said:

 

So - early days yet @asal, we can only hope.

@tdierikxgood work - be careful of open lines, you don't know who is a member of what as far as readership here goes.  Fine line between transparency and playing your cards close.

good point, wonder if peta will join up and take over like they did the rspca?  well remember in 2000 reading a letter received by an rspca member begging her to join up all her friends and family for the pending agm as the writer was aware that sufficen peta members were already on the board and the comming agm was being stacked by peta members to elect the remaining numbers to take control of the board.   that was now 22 years ago. peta have been working on their agenda from the 1980's while pet owners have been asleep at the wheel

ooo wow they have decided on a name and now are taking membership applications, wonder if they can muster enough candidates for the comming election in time?   considering how many have pets AND if all voted be looking at forming a government.   ok dream on BUT!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1880909738963642

ah. bummer.  two months wait to be recognised. thats too late this this election isnt it?

"We need everyone to visit the website www.companionsandpetsparty.com.au and join the party. It is free to join. We need every member of the facebook group to join up. Without your support by joining the party, we cannot become registered. It takes about two months from the time we submit our application to become registered. So please fill out the application form as soon as you can. Thank you."

Another equally misleading article actually.

this writer advocates COI testing and only using unrelated parents where at all possible will reduce, perhaps eliminate the risk of creating homozygous puppies of the as yet unavailable dna testing for the thousands of recessive genes still to be found markers for.

the writer is assuming unrelated parents will not be carrying deleterious recessives.

the writer is assuming only related parents will be carrying deleterious recessives so is buying into the mantra that "inbreeding" is the cause of any emergence of such results in a litter.

when will it become recognised that two patterns of a gene in a pup is not automatically caused by "inbreeding" related parents?   

anyway read and have a good think about the message because it does bring up how many conditions there still is no tests for yet.

https://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org/blog/why-dna-tests-wont-make-dogs-healthier?fbclid=IwAR0HFMIh6D9cc8Ld54EVLcs8YBmCqUAfVPTxxZy0eaHb6n-0duib0t8IiMo

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On 24/03/2022 at 9:37 PM, OzzieLioness said:

 

 

 

We have been considering a Cav ... but this has been very enlightening, so thank you for talking about your experiences ....

 

I had a Saint with so many problems, I had not choice but to end his suffering ... and I have not been ready for another dog until now .... I don't know if I could cope well if this sort of thing happened again.

love cav's they are the eternal optimist.  once you have had one its definitely addictive, but remember they aren't great on recall and utterly no traffic sense so never go out without being on a lead.

you can be lucky and have no problems, my first made it to 17 as did many of his sons and daughters.

but every time you use an outside male its a gamble that at times does not pay off.

my last two I bred both developed MV at 7. one is still fine 4 years later on medication. the other died within weeks

After two pups developed SM I called it quits.

I so hope it can be eliminated from such adorable dogs.

if you get one, keep an eye on their teeth too.   great tarter collectors so need regular checks

16 hours ago, Deeds said:

Pls ignore last sentence in above post.  Sorry  about that.

to edit a post you did,  see the three dots at the top of it to the right.  click on them and a box will drop down, click on edit and it will open for you to change or delete what you want.

cheers

21 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

Early desexing is a problem in some breeds but not others.   Here's a recent mega study that crunched the numbers

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiZhef0rNv2AhVw4XMBHTITC-AQFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw11bejoqYTUbpOeLmWySNYu

thanks, so good news for the cavalier component in the pup and 9% joint issues in early done poodles.  be interesting to know which breed contributed the merle gene to her pup. As for the $7,000 price tag.  shows x breeds are fetching way more than most purebreds poodle puppies are listed here at "Boys $3,500.00 and girls $3,900.00" and cavalier at "The cost of the puppies is $4000"  "

$4500 - limited register (pet only)" very few actually give a price.  But others I have met paid $5,000 for their pet, so it seems obvious puppy farmed x breds are commanding better prices.  Met a lady at our local vet and she had paid $7,000 and 8,000 for her two cavoodles and they were the usual colours expected of the x

1 minute ago, Odin-Genie said:

I too respect breeders costs. However, in the last 8 years, the cost of a registered puppy has gone up by almost 400%. An example would be Golden Retrievers. Eight years ago a puppy would cost about 1,000. Today the minimum is 5,000. It has doubled in the last two years of Covid. The reality is:

• Wages have not increased by that much, not even close.
• With the current prices, only the well-off will be able to afford registered breeders’ puppies.
• Families who love dogs and could provide amazing homes, but can’t afford the prices, will look at Gumtree, or friends who want to breed.
• This will increase backyard breeding.

 

I totally agree that breeders don’t often make money, if one takes into account the health costs and the maintenance costs of the dogs. But that calculation only makes sense if you look at your dogs as a business investment. I don’t blame anyone who is trying to earn money out of their hobby if they can. But accept it’s a business, and like any other business if the demand is high, the costs will go up.

my niece paid $7,000 for a so called Blue Merle Cavoodle.   as any ankc breeders knows, there is no merle gene in either the poodle or cavalier breeds.  last I looked the only place oodels come from is puppy farms? it was only 8 weeks old and already been desexed male so will not grow normally as it should as it will never experience puberty google explains how high the vet problems that occur with puppies done too young.

16 hours ago, OzzieLioness said:

 

Serious question .... 

When was distemper made rare? It still exists and to say its almost unknown is, to my thinking, a dangerous thing to state.

 

People will end up stopping vaccinating for it as money gets tighter .... and it is as prices for everything skyrocket .... and then it will be roaring back with a vengeance killing half the dogs unlucky enough to get it. 

when I was a kid in the 50's hardly anyone vaccinated their dogs, I know my dads were the only ones in our street.  I am amazed how many unfortunate puppies are neither vaccinated or microchipped now even though it is supposed to be law that you cannot sell or rehome an unvaccinated or not chipped dog or puppy.

this has been law for some 30 years now?

yet is not enforced.

yet there are more and more laws being passed to eliminate anyone breeding a litter.

if they have their way its not the puppy farms being shut down, its is everyone that is not a licensed

 puppy farm.

WE ARE SO LUCKY distemper is almost unkown

devastating way to lose

your dog or puppy

spot on,  along with on in particular doesnt even bother to work with what is legislated, way prefer to "form the opinion" and act on that, knowing no matter how the targets protest the pollies will back them.

regardless of what is actually legislated, those who have been given the powers to "form the opinion" and strike where they like, just use whatever contributes most to the income stream.

considering their portfolio is now over a billion in assets and investments been pretty successful, all the figures are available in the agm reports but the pollies never question the sacred cow 

let alone put anything in place to hold them accountable or an avenue of appeal for the targets robbed of all rights

trouble is joe public think only the guilty attract the punishment

no one else can be subjected to trial by media?

even pedophiles have more rights than a pet owner

They are still deciding on a name apparently as was planned to be Companion Animal Party, but apprently animal justice party owns the word animal so they cant use it. 

interesting times.

Was sent a copy of this. apparently it can be shared but only as a copy and paste which is how I came by this.

think the closing date to fight the new bill has already passed as have so many opportunities to save our pets.   Interesting times ahead. if the bill goes though peta believe it can be amended in future without going to the vote and their vision of extinction is soon to be realised.

On 24/02/2022 at 9:35 AM, ~Anne~ said:

What’s the percentage of breeders who sell MR only, and also import dogs into their bloodlines do you think? 

no names but one I know well everything was LR and desexed, they paid for an outstanding import and all that progeny sold was LR and desexed.   plenty of new genetics although if you wanted to access it, would have to have the desexed pups cloned to produce backyard pups  

2 minutes ago, asal said:

 

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On 24/02/2022 at 11:51 AM, Podgus said:

My 2 cents worth on Goldie’s …as a groomer of 36 yrs I’ve seen the majority of Goldens ‘that Ive handled’ decline into gigantic stupidly over coated dogs with little emotional control, manifesting in over the top unmanageable exuberance or timidity edged with aggression. That’s before structural issues are even mentioned. Personally I rate them pretty low on my list of desirable pet dogs.  My vet once called them a ‘bite with a smile’ breed so unable to control their emotions that they’d be wagging their butt off one end while chewing your face off up the other end. Pretty sad. 

explains my neighbours golden.   she phoned me and asked for my help, she said he had brought home the head of a goat, and she was so sickened by the sight she could not touch it. asked me to come and put it in the bin.   I had known that dog since he was a pup, I had no idea he was food proud, he would have been 10 months old at this time.

so I went to her place, picked it up and threw it in the bin, except although he was wagging his tail he went for me and he wasnt kidding. the snarl was spine chilling and I spotted the tap and hose with seconds to spare turned it full on and into his gaping mouth choking him with the water going down is throat deflected his teeth from my arm.

the bitch admitted she deliberately did not tell me he would attack if I touched it because she knew I would not have done it and she did not care if I was bitten, long as it was in the bin.

She expected I would be bitten, was happy to pay the doctors bill as her hubby is a doctor.  She was amazed I managed to deflect him. thanks for nothing very ex friend neighbour.

I kid you not.  for obvious reasons i wrote her off the "friend" list and never "helped" her again. 

On 24/02/2022 at 9:43 AM, Rebanne said:

not correct

That was the reason I was given for the opening of the "development register"  I know many who submitted dogs. I looked after one of the last Rokeglen girl's for the remainder of her life.

So many decades ago.

I met the only kennel left with MR stumpy tailed cattle dogs at sydney royal her dogs were beside mine.  

They were the only exhibits  

there is an ironic twist here surely?

only the dogs bred by the backyarders and these genetic's preserved by the very backyarders so despised by the ankc members? 

Are the ones to end up in the "development register" but not those of the dead end ankc kennels. (they were either already desexed prior to sale, or with desexing contracts.)

Yet,  once these "development register" dogs belong to ankc members they too will be probably only sold on LR only,  so back into dead end kennels, anyway   

On 23/02/2022 at 10:01 PM, FCR4 said:

I'm not involved in the "industry" and I only know a few breeders to exchange pleasantries on facebook, so I'm far from being expert.

 

I don't know much about the Goldie scene, but one thing I've noted with FCRs is the extent to which some Breeder have gone to improve Australian Bloodlines.
Importing a dog is a huge undertaking, especially now that there is only one quarantine centre, in Melbourne.  The process can take several months or even longer, and the costs are enormous. 
So I can understand why some Breeders are justifiably protective of those genes.

yes the most often heard is No one is getting my lines I worked so hard to improve.

so LR all the way and those supposedly ever so precious "lines" die with the breeder.

best example is the stumpy tailed cattledog. not a single MR owned by anyone other than Iris.

the good news is once its down to that point, then a "development register" will be finally allowed and dogs submitted for assessment and into the grading up register.

On 21/02/2022 at 7:42 AM, tdierikx said:

Well... it seems the new laws don't apply to the RSPCA... they just get to police it... grrr!

 

 

They can still go on killing with impunity... *sigh*

 

T.

so the sacred cow remains sacred

2 hours ago, YOLO said:

This is one of my questions.
By all accounts the breeders in question are highly regarded, ethical, breeders looking to produce the most well-rounded dogs they can in accordance with standards.  They are usually heavily involved in showing and/or trialling, and in many cases have gone to great lengths to introduce better bloodlines.
And yet despite this they seem to be saying that they have no confidence in their pups??

And again, the lack of logic astounds me.

If I am not an ANKC Registered Breeder, then your placing the dog on the LR doesn't effect me anyway. 
And sure, the majority of owners may not be interested in showing their dog, but that again just means its irrelevant.  If anything shouldn't you be encouraging new participants.

To be honest, my interest in dog-showing comes and goes.  I'm never going to be a lifelong devotee, but with a suitable dog it is something I would like to at least look into. 

Encouraging new members went out the window a few decades ago. main reason so many steer clear of ankc breeders now, 

39 minutes ago, Deeds said:

So do pups on LR sell for the same price as pups on MR? 

LR now its the same cost as main now to register them yet you cant show them you cant breed from them no matter how high their quality. Limit isnt for the pet quality puppies anymore. its for every pup you want to ensure cant be used to continue their heritage 

4 hours ago, Deeds said:

Why would breeders produce a litter from 2 champion show dogs and sell the entire litter on LR with the exception of the 2 dogs staying with the breeder & owner of the sire.

 

The entire litter was apparently "show quality" yet the litter was sold with an agreement for purchasers to accept LR.  Does LR protect the breeder legally. 

it is very effecting in limiting any competition.  

but the breeder speak is they are ethical, only register what you keep for yourself has been the gold standard for decades now