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On 02/08/2022 at 7:06 AM, Luvapoo said:

I am often looking at puppy for sale ads and prices have definitely dropped a lot in Australia.

 

For example, the once popular breeds, such as the cross bred cavoodle, I have seen advertised for as low as $1,500 when they were up to $8,000 at the peak.

 

It is my guess that you could ring a lot of people advertising puppies and offer what you can afford and they may take it as they cannot sell pups.

 

It is a deterrent for people adopting when they can buy exactly what they want for a similar price.

 

Yes my sisters daughter paid 7,000 for an oodle, 18 months ago. friend just bought one for her mum 1,500.

but the dog world and breed and x bred fashion cycles have been in existence for decades.

its not new and repeats  

the fashion starts, people start breeding whats in and flood it. 

crash

fashion starts for another

seen it , being over 70, seen so many breeds bred to freak proportions and suddenly no one wants them

sadly fact.   

micromanaging only the ankc and other registers will never stem the flood

the invisible backyarders are not huge visible traceable "puppy farms"  as so often said,  they actually

are people with 1 or 2 but there are tens of thousands of them.

We all know none of our mums end up looking like the ar nutters photos.

I know Jedda is not unique in the yummy mummy stakes.

How about sharing so people comming to dogzonline can see how fab our mum's are when their pups are 8 weeks? 

This is Jedda, her brats are 8 weeks now

looking at all the flab on her I cant help but wonder why didn't the ANKC counter all those skeletal photos the opposition keep posting?  with the thousands of picks of ankc mums and their pups?

The public think having a litter drains the life out of the mums because it wasn't done. Is it too late to teach Joe public the truth ????????????

there are actually six of them but some left this weekend already

gee I penned that 2 years ago already?   Yik's!

any idea what the beagles were being used for?

5 hours ago, Luvapoo said:

I was quite shocked and saddened to read this post but it has prompted me to do some more research into the use of animals for experimentation in Australia.

 

I feel almost very ignorant to have discovered that over a million animals, ranging from baboons to mice are used each year in Australia for all types of experimentation. 

 

I just googled "animals used for experiments in Australia" and the statistics are alarming

 

It really just makes me so very sad.

how on earth do you think CSIRO animal health became a world leader in what?   Animal health. the animals they use are to make sure drenches work, what will kill the emerging drench resistance strains. etc, etc, etc u name it

How do you think Dr Victor Chang perfected his heart lung surgery?  Long before his first world breaking success on people?    On the pigs at CSIRO McMaster Animal health?   I happen to know because my husband was the anesthetist for the pigs.

How do you think Bob and Darria Love learned the correct dosages for new born foals with pneumonia?

get a grip, ban all research and you wont be so thrilled with the consequences

for example before Bob and Darria's work 18,000 foals a year were dying on average because the dosage is different for a foal just for starters

What was the calibre of the scientists working for CSIRO Animal Health?, before our politicians gutted the place with ever decreasing funding?

https://engeneic.com/youtube/

this pair of friends, researching fleece rot in sheep, a billion dollar problem in our sheep flocks.

decided to leave and work on a promise made to a work college to find a cure for cancer.

they are curing non hodgsons lymphoma, brain cancer and even remission in the first patient in the world with mesothelioma

be careful what you wish for

this ABC documentary explains the very beginning. First screened in 2011.  how far Jenny and Himanshu have come is utterly amazing

who cares. love the photos Kirislin

On 08/06/2022 at 9:38 AM, coneye said:

Can't even see why they bother doing studies  on it .  Its not rocket science  ,, on the left you have  wild dogs ,, wolfs , foxes , dingos ,, these dogs have not yet worked out how to   grow grain , they don't know how to build or work machinery , plant corn or wheat , so they chase other animals and reptiles for there sunday dinner .

 

Domesticated dogs on the other hand  have come to rely on humans for food and humans themselves gave up hunting there food  a couple  of years ago so just go down the shop and buy it  in the process they buy there dog food , hence dogs  eating habits and digestive systems have evolved  diferently ,

 

So there you have it lesson free , next one only half the charge of an expensive study , save money make me rich win win  situation

yes but that doesn't get a study grant 

this has been a on going problem for decades.

about time is being brought to peoples attention.

8 hours ago, BDJ said:

 

 

I honestly don't understand why the purebred world have moved to a thought process of 'should only breed when they want a pup'.   In my opinion, responsibly bred, well raised  pups who are representative of the breed (type, temperament etc) - who are bred for the 'pet market' are a credit to their breed and the breeder.  They should be accepted not chastised.   Disclaimer - at this point I am talking about pet/family friendly breeds and lines.  Additional disclaimer - I am not endorsing unethical breeding practices.

fact, the purebred world embraced the " 'should only breed when they want a pup"  COMPLETY AND UTTLERLY as the gold standard for Ethical and Responsible.

In this rarefied world to do anything else is to be an immediate target for elimination by a significant and busy group within the membership, I tagged them the thought police over 30 years ago when they first began their activities.  It is very satisfying when I see one thought policer has been targeted by another thought policer. yep they even attack each other at times

busy fingers get dialing rspca, animal welfare and even the local council to apply enough pressure and humiliation that the target gives up.  Even better if a sick dog or something else is found that gets them charged with something, BINGO instant cancellation of membership.

When it began it reminded me of the stories why my black Irish grandfathers ancestors fled the Spanish inquisition centauries ago.  Then too it only took one to report you.

ditto for the witch trials.

The human race loves witch hunts and inquisitions.    great way to reduce the population too .  o what fun, now we have puppy farmer elimination hunts.

heaps of photos of starving mums with pupping hanging off their stretched empty dungs.

Did the ankc publish equal numbers of radiantly healthy mums so fat they needed to go on a diet after their pups were weaned?? 

resounding NO, they did not.  Never for a second  twigged to the manipulation or the result of not showing the real world instead of the animal nutters doctored propaganda.

done a real number on how many people still breed .   done even better number on crashing availability of a puppy too.

On 26/05/2022 at 3:47 PM, Papillon Kisses said:

What a devastating story 

 

I wonder if it’s also or alternatively a case of the people reporting attacks misattributing breed, and journalists just running with the description. When my parents’ toy poodle was attacked, my mother said the attacking dog was a pitbull. When I asked her about the dog’s appearance, her answers told me that it was actually a bull terrier (a strong, stocky, medium-sized white dog with a football shaped head). Sure enough, it was a bull terrier that was restrained by passersby and taken away by council.

yes many have no idea of breed, or behaviour either for that matter.

a friend told me her dog was brutally attacked in her own car when she opened the door a pit bull jumped into the car and attacked him.

I visited the house where the "attack"  occurred and the neighbours 6 month old English bull terrier puppy (the ones with the big Roman nose, came hurtling through the fence to say hi!

its colour and markings matched the description of the "pit bull terrier" I had been told about.

she was only an over enthusiastic baby and obviously would help a burglar carry out the furniture, just like my aunts bull terriers. Everyones new best friend.   Well to humans. once older any ones dog challenge one of my aunts to a fight was not a wise dog.

Hence my aunt made sure her fences were secure and always on lead when she want walking with them, Neither of her dogs were aggressive to other dogs.  but if they were attacked they did fight back, as good as they got.

the facts are any breed bred for fighting are more effective in dispatch.  Any breed bred for hunting and killing vermin are more effective in dispatch.

the other fact is. Dogs are completely unaware its not acceptable to kill . be it a chook, a cat, or another dog that triggers an attack response.

I came home one day to find my cavalier looking very proud of herself! Yes she had killed.

the body of the brown snake proudly brought to me.

I had completely forgotten, what are spaniels bred for?   Hunting,  Her instincts had not.

I also know a friend had 4 Cavalier King Charles.  came home to find one dead.

Examination proved she had been killed by one or more of the other 3.

their shocked owner was greeted at the gate by three wagging tails and happy smiles.

obviously they felt no guilt over the demise of no 4.

so many people are utterly shocked when a killing happens at a dog park!  

Frankly its a statement of how well behaved the majority are, that so few occur.

That teenager who killed those 18 children knew what he did was reprehensible but he still did it. No dog knows that.  May be disciplined if it shows aggression, but that's only if you happen to be present and can there to say NO!  Along with your dog obeys.   Many are very poorly trained fur children, its so fortunate how few attacks happen in relation to the hundreds of thousands who do not

do so.

do you really think you dog understands "tho shalt not kill?"

if dogs that grew up together can kill one of the group, why on earth should anyone be surprised when mixing dogs that dont even know each other can lead to an attack?

which is why I do not use dog parks

I have never been a fan of Russian roulette 

gee one vet practice, that's had enough.

The Companions And Pets Party 

has their new logo up.

stunning.

https://www.facebook.com/Companions-And-Pets-Party-105315428852161

has that only just gone to court?

gee no mention of the fact ALL the dogs they didnt take had been given to rescues and all successfully rehomed.  Despite the fact they had applied to the court to not only kill the dogs they took but to get a court order to seize all the rest of them, so lucky for the remaining dogs they went to the rescue before the rspca could get them and put them down too. absolute disaster for the rspca's assertion none of them could be safely rehomed. Nor would they let any they had go to the rescues to see if they could rehome them as successfuly as the others they had, public relations disaster

only the rspca had problems with the dogs they took,  remember the link.

the rescue or rescues. forget if it was one or more begged the rspca to let them retrain the ones they wanted to kill.  at the time they seized them on the grounds they would not make eye contact with the inspector. it was on tape. 

Found the link

Also ring and ask if the ones you like are not already taken,  saves you lots of time to know first up what are not already taken.

good luck

dont know about others but the link wont open for me

surely there was more to be commented on than finding "dead rats"  ????????????

any dog would kill a rat, snake, mouse that showed up ?

as for the number of dogs, incredible.

Although to be realistic, As my vet conceded over ten years ago now, (and he HATES puppy farming) it was getting down to the wire then he believed, we will be needing the legal puppy farms will have to be that big or bigger to take up the slack for the hundreds of thousands of puppies that sure are never going to be available from the registered breeders who are not allowed to breed for the pet market.

On 30/04/2022 at 1:37 PM, OzzieLioness said:

My aunt had miniature poodles for as long as I could remember. There was only once she bred a miniature girl she had and it was mated with a toy. She had 2 puppies. One was small like it's sire - but the other one could sit in the palm of a SMALL hand when it "grew up" I have no idea what went wrong - he was perfectly proportioned; just incredibly, ridiculously small (except for the testicles, which were a toy poodle size on a TINY dog and just for his health, he was neutered). I never thought it was right to breed her like that.

surely she had more chance of an easy delivery bred to a toy than her own size?  I have seen many litters with big differences in size of the puppies in many breeds, not just poodles.  some mini's stay so small they are too small for the miniature ring.   some toys too large for the toy ring.

As for chihuahua's, unreal. a friends girl I was looking after was certainly on the large size, as in 6lb - 2.7 kg. she was beginning to look like a rock melon and expressed my concern about how big she was getting.  when she did go into labor no pups were coming to raced to the vet he said  she was so full of pups she just couldn't push and she had 10. believe it or not.  from that litter some grew to 2.7 kg like their mum, others only to 1.2   kg, that's a huge difference in sizes. many litters do that in the small breeds more so than the larger breeds of dog I think?

On 27/04/2022 at 6:44 PM, Salukifan said:

The ANKC considers each of the recognized sizes of poodle to be separate breeds.

 

Interbreeding is not permitted. To do so would be a breach of the Code of Ethics. 
 

The pups from such a mating would be considered crossbred.  

interesting,   many decades and I do mean many, 1960 I think? friend bred toy poodles, and I think she told me she reregistered the over height ones in the litter as miniatures? which since they are the same breed made more sense than restricting the gene pool as it is now, especially with all the concentration about maintaining genetic diversity within the breeds?

8 hours ago, moosmum said:

A single species that shares a single environment- Breeders just don't get that responsibility is a biological imperative for success or at least its biological definition.  Attacking that environment to remove its perceived failures is not responsibility. Teaching how to deliver better value is, and its demonstration is all that can bring acceptance, the only way to increase both the species and its available environment .

 

Value is always subjective. ANKC was founded on Objective values. Application of the wrong value creates a double negative and corrupts the language to convey the opposite message of that intended.

 

Destroying the foundations of Domestic Dogs, can only leave them with no support. 

exactly, they completely forgot their very basis for existance. To ENCOURAGE AND MAINTAIN.  Instead they turned on each other to eliminate and discourage the majority in their zeal to be seen to be eliminating back yard breeders which all of them are?

I keep remembering my friends words only recently. we are both long. long  long time members from the days when newbies were welcomed instead of viewed with suspicion. 

no i better not repeat what she said come to think of it. last time I did I received a letter from the ankc it had been brought to their notice had had committed an offense.  sigh not safe to speak too much of the truth anymore

On 29/04/2022 at 11:15 AM, sandgrubber said:

The ANKC (and others) also seem to be pushing for extinction through limited registration, denigrating"BYBs" and closed registries. 

I'm all for keeping pedigrees and for rational health testing (ie required tests depend on frequency of problem,  seriousness of problem and reliability of the test).  I'd also like to see genetic testing used to prevent inbreeding.  

What I mostly sense is trying to limit breeding to titled dogs and dogs that pass rather arbitrary health testing claiming to be "ethical ".

Yes, they fell into line with the AR nutters early on just would not understand that everyone has a backyard so began eliminating each other from the get go

Looks like some in america are waking up too?

People have finally began to realise we only have 5 years before its too late. PETA ARE CELEBRATING with good reason   

Companion and Pets Party is hoping its not to late to save our pets from the extinction campaign is calling for applications to join. 

This is their facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1880909738963642

this is the site to apply to join .  membership at the moment is free.

https://companionsandpetsparty.com.au/?fbclid=IwAR0P1mXvlucuh21wXXLIp_j4L3lMWd0h4kySKzCy69E6rcUvgGIttcWzztU