asal

same with the people who let their cats roam, love them? who are they kidding, if you love them you dont let them out to risk being torn apart by another cat or a dog or hit by a car, surely?????

 

some woman on face plant was asking for help to find her "much loved" unchipped, undesexed tom who had not come home.  totally ignorant she had left him with no way to be traced without a chip, would follow any female in season goodness knows how far away and oblivious to any cars when distracted.   Let alone how many native animals it will thrill kill.

 

our neighbour won't lock up their cat and I have heaps of native birds thanks to a very good habitat around my home for native birds and it keeps coming here to thrill kill. 

her excuse?  I doesn't like being inside.

tough luck. If I catch it its going to the pound, hope it isn't chipped, hopefully with a new owner and chip it might be kept inside and far from my place

 

4 hours ago, persephone said:

helicopter shooting is unreliable and inhumane. I did not watch the video  I believe brumbies are to be treasured .Thank you ASAL 

 

 

good idea really, its very sad to see, although the good news is they caught the foal and saved it. 

goodness knows how many were not found in time 

 

many of the orphaned foals have been found wandering near roads, this one had stayed with its mum

This video was taken January 6 2025.

 

I if you or I shot this mare in the back and left to die, we would be prosecuted.  But this is sanctioned by RSPCA nsw to be done by helicopter shooters for the last six months in Kosciusko national park ?  Thousands have now been killed this way and more still.  National Parks and Wildfires say they are culling to reduce to the legislated retention of 3,000 but the real agenda is extinction as the massacres in other national parks are proving.

Along with the fact that a privately funded count revealed there is already probably less than 3,000 in the whole park area, not the 14,000 Penny Sharp et al claim .

 

Why is their existence important?  One. they are direct descent from the horses sent overseas and stormed Beersheba. Two. the surplus, captured and unsold once broken is are wonderful riding horses just as they have been for 200 years.

THREE and perhaps the most important, since the banning of cattle grazing leases they are the only mega fauna capable of assisting in fire reduction left in the National Park.  

We have all seen what happened from victoria to sydney national parks what nil fire reduction achieved.  Billions dead.

 

In fact our government paid the RSPCA $8 million just prior to them sanctioning this incredibly cruel slaughter of Australia's brumbies.  A few weeks ago of 96 all but but 5 were slaughtered in Warragamba national park. All at Barrington tops.  This footage is from Kosciusko National Park

 

https://www.facebook.com/768541634/videos/1209748886289690

 

Why such cruelty?

 

Well I met an RSPCA member in  2000 AGM she worked for Jaci Lambie and told me that this agm election gave PETA dual members control of the RSPCA Board.

I had gone to see Ms Lambie in regard to the theft of my dog Stringy in Novemeber 1999 and his near death experience at their hands.

 

I was not allowed to put any of this information on Dogzonline for for I forget at the moment how many years to warn others that the RSPCA had become a monster.

 

PETA has grown in power ever since 1980 to this appalling extent.

 

In 2000 I tried to warn the board of Dogs NSW who they were really dealing with but no one would believe me

 

This was posted by a friend in America recently and it is exactly what the PETA  agenda is and all its offshoots

 

Last year was the first time Dogs NSW finally realised this and sent out emails warning all members not to vote for any animal rights groups in the coming elections, nor the greens if they wished to save their dogs from extermination.

 

 

as well the collar slippers cant get out of them, sons Benny could get out of anything, harness included,  but not these

next on the extinction agenda is every new species Animal Rights groups are working towards being  re-labled as a Companion Animal, they are already busy working to have horses reclassified as such. Not Livestock, as they are at present.

 

Once achieved horses will be subject to the POCTA legislation, already achieving so much for the AR movement to send dogs and cats to their extinction agenda

Wowsers ?

 

Five years gone now!

 

Sadly the silence is deafening on this once busy forum

 

Yet by the numbers of litters in the puppies for sale page, breeders aren't extinct yet, much as the AR nutters want that to happen 

 

Just ignoring the forums?

 

This place leaves faceplant for dead

 

Share knowledge and skills here, everything disappears on faceplant

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless you then "give him the pup"

Considering you've been conned, too late to ask for money, pretty obvious he arrived with no intention to pay.

 

Doesn't matter why he purchased more than one, although these days pillaring any one who might be eligible for attack seems the norm now.

 

Back to the Salem witch hunts of yor

The human race loves a witch-hunt 

Long as it's not them facing being burnt at the stake

 

Bit peeved

Discovered one of the most beautiful girls I bred and let her go to top home and asked for dibs on buying a pup back.

Learnt she will never be bred from due to the fear one might end up at a puppy farm.

So end of her line rather than risk that. Seems 99 percentage of people never breed to "prevent" that.

 

Wonder where the expect to find a replacement when age catches up?

 

Clone like Barbara Streisand?

That's assuming in the future there will be any undesexed entire females capable of carrying a pup?

 

Think not going to happen?

PETA "expect the domestic dog and cat to be extinct within this generation "

 

Although may have been referring to purebreds.

 

 

 

Doubt the real backyarder's who never chip and largely don't vaccinate either can be stamped out.

 

Poor PETA

one side affect in some puppies is immune system crash, resulting in either so bad has to have low dose ivomec for the rest of its life to keep demodectic mange at bay for the rest of its life.  Happened to a Cavalier puppy and even at 8, stop dosing and his skin would go red and coat fall out.

 

But 90% of vets would never admit it.

 

Mine was upfront from the minute it became obvious he had suddenly developed hot skin, rash and coat falling out.  He hoped he would recover his immune system.  But never did. although lived well into his teens long as the low dose ivomec was kept up.

 

At lease he never caught parvo, stayed safe from that for life, although was never given any more boosters.  As he said the majority of dogs never need another booster anyway. So much in the air from the huge number of never vaccinated dogs catching it and passing on, are constantly re exposed to it to maintain immunity themselves. He advised titre testing if unsure.

 

On 11/12/2024 at 10:38 AM, Mairead said:

Need to ban clergy for the welfare of children.

Ban men for the welfare of women and children.

strangely that is not seen as will get votes.

 

sending animals to death is somehow seen as a vote enhance?  go figure

Too many leave the child and the dog unsupervised and scream blue murder if anything goes bad.   aka the six month old baby killed by the rspca rescue when parents left it in one room and went to another

 

On 30/11/2024 at 9:46 AM, Little Gifts said:

Squishy Face Rescue in SEQ is currently under attack too. They do most of their communicating on FB.

 

Back when I was adminning Craft for Paws I got targeted too. Even though we were mainly selling and fundraising I would  post picks of animals in need as part of our engagement with our thousands of supporters. Someone got in  a huff about something (a vegan issue from  memory) and reported me when she wasn't satisfied at my response.  So all last year I was being banned on a weekly basis for things like posting too fast or repetitive posts. The other admin never had an issue and since the  page shut down I've not had an issue on my own page either. There is noone to contact to try and explain the situation.

 

I feel like AI is quite quickly taking over many things and it worries me and makes me feel old. I don't want any more human touch removed from the world.

 

solution is we all abandon bloody face plant and talk here. the place is all but dead?   Why?  You can find threads. even decades old are findable. seconds old disappear on face plant

goodness, 4 years now gone in a flash

 

What on earth needed any advice from RSPCA? Listen to the vet. How thoroughly you need to search for ticks.

Some have been found inside nose, ear, lip and pads

Need to search everywhere 

On 15/11/2024 at 10:22 AM, Mairead said:

Asal, they were at a training course at Lucas Heights which is where the nuclear reactor is, so not a public area? And workers there probably have to decontaminate after shift so not too many people outside? The surrounds with the houses used to have the same suburb name but is now called Barden Ridge.

so there was no need to have locked them up with the doors closed anyway?

double tragedy

I am registering a litter this week, their dad is 9 years old. I suspect this is his 1st litter.

He belongs to a friend, he bred him from a pup he bought from me. Wanted a litter before its too late. 

 So glad I did. they are beauties. incorporating so many awesome dogs and kennel names together. Itsozi, Darshu, Adavale, Pureheel, Arizona,   Ansavon Red Connie (From the only cattledog litter bred by one of the greatest Border Collie breeders in the ANKC   and Connie sure made him proud, two of her puppies won 4 and 8 best in shows for their happy owners )                                                                                                                                         and of course, Hilton Sinclair's Berrilyn

 

brings us a very real threat to our dogs genetics actually.

The bill that didn't make it due to the nsw election being called before the next sitting and it being passed. included that no bitch could have more than 2 litters in her lifetime. AND all males be desexed at 7 years?

 

what would this mean if she had succeeded?

 

The effective elimination from the gene pool of the very dogs we need to keep long-lived genetics in our dogs

 

many conditions that there is no dna marker for do not evidence until the dog is over 6 or 7.  MV just to name one

 

suggested over a decade ago that cavalier breeders identify their dogs that have made it to 7, 10 and 15 MV free.  OK by which time all the females would be too old to breed anyway.  But considering Barbara Striesand cloned 3 puppies from her favourite dog.

 

the club band together and clone these exceptional females and the puppies can create a whole new MV and obviously syringomyelia free lines.   

Ditto for the males who pass this milestone.  they exist.  I had Zambuna Cav King Jack and he lived to 17 MV free. he never sired a syringomyelia pup and his babies on average lived to 15 years.  some of my original females were MV free, some developed it at 7 and 10.  His pups tended to be free to 10 to 14 many never developed MV though their mums had.

 

Sadly the males I used to his pups were a disaster hence I gave up.

 

but dogs like Jack do exist both male and female and the breed could be saved this way. its not a pipe dream. it would work.

one very effective way to ensure all breeds have shorter and shorter lives is the legislation the AJP failed to achieve so far. That all males be desexed at 7. Thus ensuring no males 8 and over can be used for breeding. the older the male the more sure you are he was not hiding poor genes that at present do not have a dna tests for and only surface as the dogs grow older.  particularly mv and syringelia myelia (no idea how to spell it.)  a male I had Zambuna Cav King jack lived to 17 and never developed either condition nor did his pups. such genetics are worth their weight in gold for the breed.

There are also some so proactive they call the police even when the owners are in the car with the dogs and all windows down. 

Pity no one spotted them

On 18/08/2016 at 8:58 PM, bridgie_cat said:

Is the answer to be able to PROVE to each of these groups (govt, animal rights etc) where the pound dogs are coming from? Can we not just add "breeder contact details" to the microchip information?

I think dog breeding is already heading toward smaller and smaller numbers in each individual kennel, but I see it as a great loss to breeds... and it comes down to what you wrote about needing numbers to allow for adequate selection pressure and improvement. Many breeders would now have 1-4 bitches - and if one of them has a less than ideal nature, average health results, lacks breed type, or has issues breeding and whelping naturally... well - we probably still work with what we have! Because there is little to no fall back with such small numbers.

The kennel of a previous generation had enough dogs that if there were any of the above issues, that bitch could simply be excluded without it being a huge loss to the plans and genetic pool for that breeder. AND there was a larger number of litters and generations all being bred with a single mind and set of goals - where that kennel will develop a "type" and be known for specific qualities/strengths.

 

 

so sad, how right you were, many breeds are now so low in numbers if they were native animals would be on the critically endangered lists already.

On 18/08/2016 at 10:32 PM, asal said:

copied from another forum

"exactly, ONCE 'farmers were highly thought of for their love and care of their stock' but these days there are numerous dodgy characters badly mistreating dogs for $. Big $ too. Could recite numerous incidents of puppy farming I know of, but too depressing...point is, times have changed. This industry needs looking at and legislation of some sort."

reply to the above post.

"Except as it has proven, you can make all the laws you want, restrict how many litters a bitch can have, restrict how many she can have per year, must microchip all puppies, must vaccinate all puppies, can only have so many dogs,

 

 

"Except as it has proven, you can make all the laws you want, restrict how many litters a bitch can have, restrict how many she can have per year, must microchip all puppies, must vaccinate all puppies, can only have so many dogs, can only breed a max of 10 litters in a 12 month period EVEN IF YOU have 11 or 12 bitches you will be in big trouble if you breed 11 litters that year (mind you that "litter" could be just one pup for a small breed BUT that 1 pup is a LITTER, or 16 in the LITTER, for the larger breeds, so a small breed breeder can produce 10 to 20 pups if they get two to a litter from 10 Litters , but the larger breeds can mean their breeder has 160 puppies or more from their 10 "litter's" yet they are not a puppy farmer as long as they were from 10 litter's.

 

how insane is that?) or you will be inspected. 

 

CANNOT breed father to daughter or mother to son or brothers to sisters. UGH how disgusting, how unnatural. This has been a practice from time armorial for breeders to test for deleterious gene's centauries before DNA tests became reality.  Deleterious gene's number in the thousands, present dna testing barely ruffles the surface yet. Arabian horse breeders knew of the existence of SCIDS over a 1000 years ago. In and Line breeding was used to bring carriers to light and clear those found to be free and create strong clear lines.  By thousands of highly successful animal breeders of all species for equally 1000's of years.

 

 Ralvon Bethelem a multi, multi champion was son to mother eg Ralvon Pilgrim to his mother Trix Silver.

 

The most famous horse in Dubai, (actually go google his name, famous around the world u will discover)  MINDARI AENZAC, dubbed their National Hero,  was the result of father to daughter, Ralvon Aeneas to his Daughter Mindari Wingadee. what's  banned in dogs now, has repeatedly produced some of the best of the best when the genes are sound even exceptional.

But hey who cares about soundness, its incest in dogs now but not yet, (anyway) in horses.

 

 

 

But guess what?

I found two puppies last week, obviously over 8 weeks old, took them to animal welfare and nope not a chip between them.

a number of years ago I had two puppies stolen from my home, both were microchipped, I saw the car that stole them as it almost ran me down getting off my land. it was a white sedan but too shocked to get the number plate. some weeks later one puppy was found wandering beside a 6 lane highway near Liverpool. how she survived has to have been a miracle since she was only 6 weeks old when she was stolen and was now 14 weeks.

A kind lady caught her and took her to a lady who bred the same breed who then took her to a local vet and I was phoned and home she came.

For months I scanned gumtree and trading post adds as the police said many stolen dogs end up there. finally when she was 6 months old was a photo of her on gumtree, her owner had to move back to japan and couldnt afford the export costs, I rang and arranged to meet but when I got there only her old male was left, my girl had been sold, I had not dared to tell her she was stolen, I had phoned the Redfern police who met me and interviewed the lady and she was wonderful, she had the names and address of the people who bought her..

Now the interesting bit was she had bought her at Campbelltown markets, she had been told the puppies had been an unwanted gift to the wife and had no vaccination papers so she would need to have her vaccinated and microchipped.

She had not bothered to have her either vaccinated or microchipped as she assumed as she lived in a high rise flat there was no chance of her getting any disease.

Even in the add I found she had said, the puppy has no vaccination papers or microchip, when the police contacted the new owners they were positive their new puppy couldn't be the stolen one after learning the stolen one, had a microchip number.

So agreed to take her to the nearest vet along with a police constable to prove it was not the dog I was looking for.

 

Of course they were not happy to find out they did have a stolen dog. So much so that the family and almost a dozen friends went to the police station demanding the return of THEIR dog, the argument being whoever lost her didn't deserve to have her back or she wouldn't have been stolen in the first place!

 

Thing's got ugly enough that when I arrived to pick up my puppy, the police had rang me and told me when I arrived to look at no one and ask for Sargent ...... and under no circumstance mention I was there about a dog.

Did as was told, although it was very scary walking past that angry group looking for who was coming to get "their" pup.

I was taken into an interview and reunited with Fire. but to get me back to my car safely I was taken downstairs to the paddy wagons and given a lift back to where my car was parked.

 

SO an awful lot of people are happy to buy what they believe are unvaccinated, unchipped dogs and puppies. even though, PERISH THE THOUGHT, its BLOODY AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

DREAM ON, micromanage the law abiding into extinction but you ain't going to stop the underground puppy trade "

 

 

I wrote that in 2016.    still applies in 2024 pounds overflowing with un microchipped dogs!

hey, those Battery Factory Outlet adds on bottom of the pages, dogzonline!  check the stars reviews ,  they are utter scammers.

so many dogs dead because people go to dog parks.

 

safer to walk the street for exercise, but carry a big (walking) stick

17 hours ago, Deeds said:

In order to debark a dog in NSW you must have an official council order showing the dog is a nuisance barker.  As well you must sign a statutory declaration.

 

"Debarking of dogs is illegal in NSW unless the provisions of the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1986 and Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 are followed.  A Veterinarian will only perform this procedure in extreme cases where no other method other than euthanasia is available."

 

except I know of three utterly desperate people to save their dog and in every instance, even with the council order and the stat dec, not one vet would agree to operate, every vet asked would not do other than put the dog down.

 

sentence of death these days, animal libbers prefer death to enslavement and that's who put those laws through with so many blind to the implications.

 

ditto to all the "puppy farming" bills designed not to eliminate puppy farms.

they too are licensed. but to ensure more and more registered breeders and puppy farms give up and speed up "the extinction of domestic dogs and cats"  

except they forgot the millions of the real backyard under the radar who never chip and on average never vaccinate either, which is why tens of thousands ending up in the pounds aren't chipped.

 

EVERY registered breeder and puppy farm MUST CHIP.  Have for over 40 years, funny that.  But whose copping the blame for the thousands with no chip????  Certainly not the ones who will nver be inspected for compliance with the POCTA legislation.

 

 

BUT at least the extinction agenda isn't going to be as easy to achieve as peta and its representatives under all those different names of  ar groups and parties elected to "represent/eliminate" our furry friends, to hide the real agenda joe public has no clue about or ever believe anyone trying to warn them.  only taken over 40 years for some to wake up, to what the rspca really is. yet it still has its "charity" status?

I have never understood why so many vets prefer to euthanase a Barker than debark. They can still bark the difference is it is significantly less carrying .

Yes a percentage can till be annoying and in the case of a friend's cattledog he even got it back but gave time to find a home that was in industrial area so no longer mattered.

On the main majority remained softer bark n neighbour's stopped complaining.

 

On 04/11/2024 at 7:11 AM, Pucapo said:

 

I read this article last night and wish I didn't, although it did come with a warning.  I can't get the horror out of my head. 

 

I just wonder how many other people breed dogs and treat them with such incredible cruelty.  The ones that haven't been caught. It is beyond sad.

 

I agree @tdierikx, how could you still work there. 

 Probably why so many once they realise their job at rspca is sickening, stay, hoping they can affect change until they finally give up and leave, that included my vet Richard Miller who was head vet at rspca Victoria until he had to leave due to the stress.  His replacement?  Hugh Worth or as Richard called him Worthless along with all the ex rspca staff he employed after they too jumped ship to save their mental health.  One vet said Hugh had almost got her killed she told me, he was so careless handling the animals, particularly the horses.

 

Think on that folks,  that's how long its been a toxic workplace, Richard had been Head Vet 4 years In RSPCA Victoria before he walked away in 1978 (I think it was) before Hugh Wroth then became head vet .

So that's even before we began to realise they had changed direction in the 1990's

 

6 hours ago, tdierikx said:

 

It's not necessarily a numbers thing when it comes to animal welfare issues... someone with only 2 dogs can treat them poorly too.

 

I have actually visited a large scale breeding facility in NSW where I wouldn't have been ashamed to say I worked. Staff ratios were great, the yards, kennels and grounds were spotless, the dogs were all in great health and were people oriented, and the record keeping and care of whelping bitches and litters was spot on. The facility was a registered business with all the relevant authorities, and was subject to unannounced audits by various levels and RSPCA at any point in time. It can be done "right" at scale if one is inclined to put animal welfare first and foremost.

 

In contrast, I have been to private residences with only 2 dogs, and wondered how they could keep their animals that way...

 

T.

 

so true, I visited a home that the hallway only had an 18" wide walkway for my feet, both sides to the walls was dog hair to 3 inches deep at the walls, to use the toilet I had to straddle all the dog poo on the floor. 

the laundry, kitchen dining room and lounge also was only clear walking strip then hair to the walls. Me and a friend began sweeping and putting it in the wheelie bin. The BIG ones and it was full before we had finished the lounge room.

 

Although the 4 dogs were in beautiful condition. the owner just never swept for goodness knows how many years.

 

my friend and I ended up being treated in hospital for asthma