morning all.

 

anyone here?

 

thought I will post a pick of my last litter and mum.

 

such a dead forum these days and soon so will the dog world once AJP has succeeded in shoving their  latest  legislation though.

 

just put an add for my puppies and decided to put it on gumtree as well along with the link from Dogs NSW asking us! the almost dead to help save our dogs and along with it purebred dogs and the ANKC.

 

so here is my starving exploited mummy dog and her pups and the link I put along with it on GUMTREE!   

 

 

 

 

 

https://app4.vision6.com.au/em/message/email/view.php?id=1389800&a=77143&k=V0urX55QsPQEqVDGVhFzkdJecx57WRzFQQgRfH8ygu8

 

 

SOOO! 

 I LOOKED UP HOW MANY LITTERS ARE HERE TODAY Advertised on DOGZONLINE   1,433 litters     HOW ABOUT IT FOLKS? .   

 

IF EVERYONE of you also advertised your litter with a link to  your advertisement on Gumtree, or anywhere else you advertise besides Dogzonline and   include the same link to our ANKC'S request to share their link to all family and friends.

 

Think how many millions of Australians will get to learn what is really going on with the animal rights nutters?

 

Its a tiny extra cost compared to the cost of raising your darling puppies and the added bonus is you can not only add ten photos of your puppies and parents to the six you have on Dogzonline as well.

 

YES,  the majority of you are not NSW residents, BUT perhaps you may have noticed every single state of this nation has is now being poisoned by the animal rights nutters who have made it their business to run for election and destroy you?  Isn't it about time the pet owners woke up and ran their own representatives?  OR AT THE VERY LEAST, ensure no AR nutter's get elected and let loose in any parliament surely?

 

You will have made a concrete contribution to stopping in their tracks the ever increasing pressure of such oppressive legislation aimed NOT at ending puppy farms but ending the existence of purebred dogs which is the real PETA objective.  Has been since the 1980's, from the first day I sat and heard Betty Stepkovitch and Nancy Gate parroting what they had been told.  "we have to eliminate puppy farmers and backyard breeders".  

 

I asked them then,  "look out your back door, what do you see?   Your campaigning to eliminate yourself!"

 

They didn't under stand then and sadly just about all the members then and today still don't get that they are ALL THE TARGET!

 

YES! 

Trying to warn fellow members has made me a target instead. But gee how stupid are they who refuse to learn the truth?

Surely 40 years is long enough by now to see I was right all those years ago. 

How did I know?

I am not exactly sure, but perhaps because as a child I was constantly told how my grandfather's family became Black Irish, after they fled Spain during the inquisition, when thousands died for no greater reason than some one could send you to your death by accusing of being a heretic with no more proof than the accusation.  Sound familiar?  History sure does repeat after all.  The witches of Salem learned the same the hard way.

 

But, now it is our pets facing extinction.

 

The human race seems to have a real weakness for wanting to be part of a hunt?  

 

Well folks, hugging your self tight with your "responsible, ethical", blanket hasn't seems to work for the past 40 years.   Will you stop being part of the problem, dobbing in anyone you dont like or think offended your sensibilities for not walking to your drum and actually ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR A CHANGE?  

 

the clocks ticked down so far now the PETA mob have even gone public they "expect the domestic dog and cat will be extinct within this generation"

 

All AUSSIES do like to fight for the underdog, well folks your so the underdog at this point its fight or lose your pets.

Believe it or NOT!

 

It's interesting the half witted politicians of the other parties aiding and abetting them in return  to get them to vote for whatever it is  they want passed for their party, either have not twigged what the end results are going to be or simply don't care long as they get what they want.  Politics certainly has become incredibly dirty, so much control of our lives has been taken, wonder if the people of Germany noticed before it was too late too?

 

So anyone here willing to stand and be counted?

 

or we face another 40 years with heads in the sand?????

 

 

It is perhaps a very unknown fact to you all, but even longer than 40 years ago it was recognised how important our pets are to the health and well being of the people who have pets, along with the health and well being our our pets very existence.   Live longer, mental health benefits as well, were documented already.

 

But do the pollies care?

Doesn't look like it.

 

 

 

Well Troy we better be praying the members have an      epiphany  before the time has passed the no return mark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/03/2023 at 7:37 AM, sandgrubber said:

I have two problems with genetic profiling related to health

1. It's not regulated or patrolled AT ALL.  There's nothing to prevent inaccurate results or inaccurate descriptions.  

2. Prevalence is rarely reported, and testing for genes known to be part of the cause for polygenetic conditions (eg hip/elbow dysplasia) are hard to use effectively.  The companies tend to spew out results on things they can test for, no matter how rare (eg narcolepsy) while providing little helpful information on common problems (eg allergies, temperament faults).

 

Yes, do the testing, but don't let it fool you into thinking it's a recipe for breeding healthy dogs, and beware of false readings.

 

Very good points.

So many of the tests done are for traits the majority of dogs never come up positive for anyway, just gives a classier looking list of "clear for" ,

 

But! some if present can end in blindness, deafness and/or death  at an early age.

 

Knowing that is a help in prevention in your breeding program.

As well , In managing the future of  your new or old pet if you have it profiled and learn it carries any, if you bought it from a breeder who has not had a profile done of the parents, which probably accounts for the majority of dogs "adopted" or "shopped" from the majority of dogs actually bred in this country.

Since so few are actually bred by breeders who do have their breeding dogs profiled.  As was finally brought to light by this brilliant research done in 2016.  Wonder what the pie chart would reveal for 2022?

 

https://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf

 

As for the "breed profiles"  so many are having done to find out what breeds are in their dog? May as well just throw in a card for each breed and pull out a card or cards yourself .

 

anyone that doubts that, they come so unstuck when they cant even get the so called ancestry of identical twins to match !

they kill people too, one took off my mum's cousins leg and she was only wading in knee deep water

 

far as I am concerned its a total waste of money, far better spent on dna profiling for genetic disorders so you at least know what your dog is clear for or has and if its been unlucky at least plan for how to address the affects of the known results of discovering your dog is C for Pra, PLL or any of the other genes that will keep your vet living well financially, instead of you.

for example if you have a border collie or has border collie in it click on each name to see what it can inherit and the results of that.  Click on "back to breed profiles "  to check out the breed or breeds your dog is and the little surprises your dogs breed can be hiding. 

 

https://www.orivet.com/store/canine-full-breed-profile/border-collie---full-breed-profile

 

Like this little number of example, but as a good salesman will tell you, "but theres more." 

Trapped Neutrophil Syndrome (Border Collie Type)

 

 

check them all out.   so being told a list of possible breeds doesn't warn you, your dog may go deaf, blind or dead before it 4 years if it gets the short straw.  why breeders who dna profile their breeding dogs as where you should be shopping .   adopting is a complete gamble when you know zilch about the parents dna profiles?

 

 

 

On 23/02/2023 at 11:07 PM, Dogsfevr said:

Plus add the vets who clearly can not diagnose correctly & tell puppy owners to go after the breeder or the name & shame posts before a correct outcome is even made .

We had a puppy owner who followed there vets advice which was to go after the breeder (us)  & demand XYZ.
Luckily for us in our contract it clearly states any issues of a significant status we had the right for a second opinion if required ,
We got 2 second opinions,our vet & a specialist vet .
We told the pet owners we required a detailed vet letter of there finding for our records .
There vet was made to look like a complete fool with a significant & dangerous misdiagnose,
The dog did have an issue picked up by both in a second opinion which was very mild & fixable which we paid for .
They contacted us in such a toxic ,vile manner certainly not the people we had well vetted before they even get approved for a pup .There vet had created such a horrible moment its was criminal .
Both vets did a detailed report back outlining the findings,the tools use to diagnose  & the outcome & our vet did the surgery after.
There vet charged $1300 to spay a 6kg dog 

I had a dog who we got xrayed as he was toe tapping,we opted to use the vet closest to us as it was during an extreme  heatwave & the dog was a senior .
On collection of the dog told he needed a double hip replacement & that he must have lived a crippled painful life .
Um no & looking at the xray even i could see his hips where great for his age & where previously when scored .
The crap i got told was laughable & they thought i was some knob who new nothing .It was very obvious he did have a problem though which they did not mention.
We asked for a vet report .
We had the xrays rescored & came back well below breed average & the higher score was a result of the actual condition he did have .
He was a near 10 year with severe spondylosis of the lower spine so his ability to flex was gone .
Thiis was clearly listed on his rescore .
When we contacted the vet about it & mentioned they missed something No we havent ,what   about the Spondo said its no problem Umm hello its significant & its painful .
They even questioned the qualifications of the AVA scorer & did we pay for it ,
As we pointed out you said he needed a double hip replacement & where prepared to put the dog through what for your misdiagnose .
Being a breeder does come with alot of flack & expectations which is often hindered by lack of testing facilities offered especially when state govts are insisting on the impossible .
I had to fly East years ago to get my dog BAER tested as no one did it here 
The machine at the Uni had broken down so not fixed & when the tester retired they never trained anyone else to use it .
I believe Tasmania currently has no one to do BAER testing so breeders are in a pickle .
MRI machines where not even an option testing things like SM & i know when the Cavie clubs did a test day /weekend it really had to be managed to allow as many users to get current dogs done & the cost i think was like $800 a dog & you could never get all dogs down in the year as the machine just wasnt available .
I mean even in my home state a Cavie breeder arranges for a heart specialist to fly inn & do a 3 day heart clinic for official certification as no one here can do that .Yes there is a heart people but not what is required on paperwork .
It would be wonderful if when state laws are considered the muppets also new about what is required for some of these testings & what facilities are actually available .

Yep Pet owners dont understand ,they go on forums & groups & get the wrong info or there vet watched a video & because your dog is doing something it has to be that .
Im all for accountability & reality & yes where expected to breed the perfect pet but humans are not required to test for potential health issues as that goes against human rights .

WE stopped breeding last year as moving forward its full of clowns making decisions without common sense 
 

 

 

So true, sadly this problem seems to be increasing.

 

I received a call from a puppy owner to tell me her vet had told her to sue me for the $X,YZ  cost for the completed luxating patella op he had just done on both legs of her only 6 months pup.

 

When I told my vet who had seen her at 6 weeks, 8 weeks and 12 weeks and found both leg joints perfect. He rang the vet who did it and asked him "was the payment due on your SUV?".  Telling him "that puppy was perfect at all 3 examinations", that "any vet can put enough pressure to move such soft cartridge and make the owner think the puppy has luxating patella even when it hasn't while so young."

He told him and me, no way was the breeder responsible for paying for an op when no second opinion had been made available.

 

He warned me many vets were now seeing this operation as a bread and butter income.

 

Never forget the distress of a friend who was told she had to pay $6,000 for an operation for "elbow dysplasia" in a six month old pup she bred and gave to a friend.  Their vet had told her to sue her for the cost. Lucky it had not yet been operated on and she asked them to take to her vet for second opinion.

 

Xrays revealed both elbows had been fractured, questioning of the family revealed it had jumped over six feet from their veranda!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps I should add Why I decided to never breed another cavalier.

 

the last straw was the owner of the last puppy, she as perfect at 6 weeks, equally at 8 weeks when she went to her new home. by 12 weeks she began scratching then it quickly progressed that by 16 weeks she was screaming in pain.

 

The second she rang to say what the vet said I went to see her immediately to return every penny she paid for her puppy and how devastated we were this had happened to the poor puppy. How she treated me was awful absolutely awful, screaming at me!

 

"How could you this to her. How could I do this to an innocent puppy?

What kind of monster does this to a defenceless puppy and  see her suffering, just to make money with no care for their welfare".

 

what part of this had never happened in 16 years did she miss?

 

sound familiar?

anyone who breeds a litter.

every one who has a child, risks hearing this. But parents cant rip shreds off who bred their baby, they did and have to wear bad luck and the guilt of, was this my fault? As my vet once told me, considering the millions of possible gene combinations. all that can go wrong from conception to birth, its actually a miracle so many turn out perfect.

 

But so few remember that.  NO parent can life guarantee the health of their child, yet any one who bred a puppy can be expected too!   They face being tried, convicted and sentenced as guilty of being unethical, uncaring and cruel.  with no defence.

 

Thank goodness the parents of a disabled child are not attacked publicly for the same crime.

 

To be a breeder is a very dangerous undertaking and the heartbreak of losing a baby puppy or their mum is bad enough.   BUT that lady took it to another level that faces anyone who breeds and sells a puppy and something goes wrong after the vets given it the all clear.

 

no one attacks the vets who did not pick it up, no one sues the vet who gave it the all clear.  Its only the breeder who has to wear the blame the anger, the public vilification.

 

so many make the decision never to breed. with good reason.

 

I am home from taking a puppy that was not doing well to the vet to find out why, turns out the brain is not draining normally and no shunts available for a puppy like for a child .    so there was just me and the vet to say goodbye as she went to a better place.  Normally it is only the breeder and the vet see these puppies "that were not born to grow old bones" as my vet says.  So many things can go wrong but the pet public never see this side and I doubt would cope if they did.

I is hard to deal with but at least she has been given her wings and will not suffer as she aged.  Nor will she end up with someone to grow to love like we have then have to say goodbye as we have to this little one.  Very hard to deal with the ones born to die young.  Be it puppy or Child. Had to watch my twins die but that is the risk you take when you love a child or a pet, same broken heart.

 

So as for the cavaliers, that lady ensured I could never risk ever another born with SM again. 

 

 

 

 

On 11/02/2023 at 2:54 PM, Valmae said:

 

Gold morning

 

Why aren’t there photos advertised on some advertisements? And why isn’t the price advertised? How do you expect somebody to make an initial  personal judgement. All dogs need mention whether they can be transported. We don’t all live in Queensland ! 

 

some cannot put puppy pictures as they have not paid the extra to include them too

not a new problem, well remember a lady whose chihuahua was picked up over the fence and taken, she was weeding the garden and the thieves took her dog so fast they were out of sight by the time she got to her feet and

the gate and that was 1988

On 24/03/2022 at 9:28 PM, julesluvscavs said:

Unfortunately our Miah had it, very severely.. Her breeder was beyond devastated and had not been aware of it, she had never had it in any of her lines previously. She was a very genuine and ethical registered breeder who did test for heart issues/eyes/patella issues etc .She was very supportive through it all and even came when we took her to have a MRI to diagnose it. Her breeder never bred again after finding out about Miah. It would be hard to test every dog with SM as it doesn't always show up until later.
We kept her comfortable for a few years with heaps of tablets that she had to have every few hours and CBD oil to help calm her down. Especially when the atmospheric  pressure was high. Its the worst thing to go through, its absolutely hell for them and us. I had never had it with our previous cavaliers. (One did have a spine condition that came on suddenly)  Miah ended up dying suddenly and unexpentantly from a ruptured spleen tumour we had no idea about, So her life was never going last long  We did have lots of good times as well with her so we don't regret that we had her in our lives even if was for a very short time.
In hindsight, we thought there was a problem going on (before her diagnosis) and we tried various things to settle her behaviours. Nothing would work. I thought she was excited when we walked her but she was crying in pain we later learnt! When they have it severely they cant be over stimulated.
I could go on about this in detail but its still painful for me.
I was very reluctant to get another Cavalier (we do have an old one (Toby) without any issues) but we did get another one and so far so good.. she's showing no signs. We are very aware of what SM presents. 
Most dogs with SM also have an Ear condition also which can be operated on. Primary Secretory Otitis Media (PSOM)
As for operating on dogs with SM our canine Neurologist said he stopped doing the operations for it as it comes back.
Its from their head having the chari formation (Humans can have it too) but not all will develop into SM hence why not all Cavaliers and some other breeds will ever develop it..
There are also different degrees of severity with it from mild to very intense... its extremely painful for them like having a severe migraine.. Its a very expensive condition  if you persist with it like we did.
I still love Cavaliers. There's never any guarantees with any dog or humans' health. Sometimes you just get unlucky!
One of our previous Cavs had a heart murmur but it was still only grade 1 when she passed away and she was never on medication for it.
Many Good breeders will be vigilant about all their other health issues and try to keep on top of them but with SM it's harder. 




 

 

Exactly. my first were  such glorious cavaliers for over 16 years but. and that's the problem. over that period lifespans crashed from 16 to 17 years to 7 to 8.

 

there are even books that state their average lifespan is 7 to 8? for a toy breed that is tragic.

 

as i noted somewhere I noticed all of them had tarter problems unless constantly monitored and cleaned , my vet explained they were bred with non properly aligned teeth so it was an endemic problem.

 

after breeding two SM affected puppies Like your breeder I gave up.

Just too traumatic and heartbreaking.

one lady, all her dogs had been MRI scanned and clear, parents and grandparents, yet they still produced SM puppies.

seems as random as HD unfortunately.

 

I pray the day might come when they can be screened and all clear but until then, im sticking to being a spectator.

 

 

22 hours ago, coneye said:

Think i would be making a report to the RSPCA see if they have any teeth ,, next one would be a phone call to the taxman , 36 pups at say 3 grand each  thats over 100 grand  interesting to see if they paid the tax i doubt it ,, and if they had not i'd be quite happy to own up and say i called them

 

surely your kidding? no teeth? since 1990's they have had "the power" to "form the opinion your pets best interests would be served by seizure and removal to their facility in Yagoona for further evaluation"  extract from a letter from Richard Amery the then Minister for Agriculture....

 

latest I hear is pending legislation to additionally be legally entitled to "form the opinion an animal needs to be seized as it may be at future risk".   

 

more teeth than a crocodile  already folks

 

their hands are only "tied" until they decide to strike.

On 08/04/2022 at 6:14 AM, goldw said:

To Scarlettsmum. Well, first of all, find an experienced breeder that would welcome your calls if you have questions or you need advice if problems arise. As a pet person, someone wanting a family dog (I presume, you’re not looking to earn ribbons in the show ring or possible OTCH material.)  And who health tests both sire & dam and is active in the hobby.  Advice that applies to any breed. As for Cavalier breeders with a ‘history of the least Syringomyelia problems,’  no such thing  —not enough data exist in your country or mine (America), best I can tell as a scientist. For any genetic disease actually & any breed. Currently. We only see the defects that have surfaced because of bad luck and inbreeding. But what you can do is join a Cavalier club, go to shows & trials, read up on them before you plunge in and go looking for a dog. And you leave your wallet at home!  Hope this helps. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

blaming inbreeding for everything is just avoiding the real issue.

 

parents carrying one or two copies of a fault are the problem and is easier to say the negative result was because of "inbreeding" which supposedly using related parents caused it, when in fact the only "relationship" in many cases was although unrelated they did carry the problem.

 

anyone working in labs know of strains of lab animals that are so inbred, really inbred, to the extent dna sequencing is so close they can do skin and organ transplants without any tissue rejection.

 

the difference is these strains carry no deleterious genes or they would have died out long ago.

 

the labs breeding such strains are very conscious of  selecting for health from the 1st generation.

 

something the dog show world still has not learnt. to the everlasting shame of breeds that struggle to find even some individuals free of known deleterious genes. the majority being two copies with the very occasional with one copy.

 

saw a cavalier breeder announcing two of their males in the world thus far to have been discovered to  have only one copy each of the MVVD gene. which is believed the marker indicates higher rate of mitral valve disease at a younger age. It has become so prevalent in the breed.

 

 

 

Lovely story, my only but, is, they didn't buy him from his breeder. they "adopted" him.

 

perhaps the new politically correct language for getting your pup now.

 

nicer than hearing the new owner "rescued it from the breeder"

anything and everything can decided to do zoomies, even your kids and you.

 

as for our animals, both wild and domestic, they just do it way faster

the natural progression of prohibition. thanks to the ar nutters dogs are harder to get and prices gone crazy

 

when big money can be made for a hard to get, the mobs move in.

 

 

Anyone who breeds back to back litters and thinks its only a case of miss the next season and ok to breed on the second will be in for a surprise.

The 3rd litter will be born inside the time allowed to register a 3rd litter.

Hefty fine awaits. Check the dates she cycled VERY carefully. Few have the 2nd cycle far enough later for the litter to be born after the time allowed.

 

Neat income earner for ankc if you failed to check dates

so right.

friend took a dog from the local pound, tried to kill his other pets and the neighbours sheep. learned very fast why it has ended up in the pound. yep its back at the pound

one said "awaiting autopsy report"  

 

 

the reason the ANKC litter notices NO LONGER have the name and address of the owner for over 30 ? or is it 40 years ago now?

 

Is because when the police arrested a chap with mums and pups in the back, on the seat was a copy of DOGS, with rings around the breeds he was going to steal, the ones with the cross through the ring were already now in his vehicle.

 

Not a new problem folks.

 

Although today its more oodles on the sights now instead of purebreds

ABSOLUTELY, more and more new laws will be just as effective as the ones that say ALL PUPPIES AND KITTENS MUST be microchipped.

 

I read somewhere its believed less than 30% are microchipped on the figures of unchipped that end up in pounds and rescues.   so well at least 30% of the population obey that law after what is it?

 

Over 20 years since it was drafted and passed?

 

Or am i just being cynical?

 

 

https://www.rspcaqld.org.au/news-and-events/news/microchip-your-pet-before-the-holidays

 

 

found the video.

 

so?  anyone succeed in spot the  "faeces-ridden"  referred to ?  also  where's the failure "provide adequate food and shelter.". the door in the back of the runs is to their inside kennel area  of the "inadequate" facility.  Bet they would love to destroy this.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=405293983604644&t=17

there were videos of the rspca looking at the dogs, one with a towel in her hand and commenting that "the dog has short nails, a sign of distress"  considering the yard is concrete which wears down nails?  also its on video the pens did not have even one poo to be seen in them.

 

Having long nails could get the owner charged, first time I ever heard of nice short nails being used to kill the dogs on the ground of being a sign of mental distress?

I actually asked rspca nsw if this is now going to be another thing for dog owners to fear?  They refused to reply other than that the incident happened in SA and to address my question to rspca sa.

 

so much for  "faeces-ridden"  perhaps they haven't seen the videos?   There are still here on dogzonline in SA thread. Well certainly were last time I viewed it.

 

they may have only killed " some had to sadly be put down." they applied to the magistrate to have ALL ten put down and leave to seize all the other dogs from the owner and put them down.

 

That too is all in the thread here somewhere.

 

to have the other rescue save and rehome all the rest before the intending killers got there must have been at least a triumph for their owner and those rescues that saved them who also offered to rehome the ones rspca had not killed yet. last I heard they refused to hand them over .

 

anyone know if they were killed too?

On 18/01/2022 at 10:35 AM, Papillon Kisses said:

There was not one but two highly skilled and experienced vet behaviourists involved in this case. No one should be thinking they know more than the actual professionals who were on the case. I am sick of people getting pitchforks out for behavioural euthanasia. No one wants to euthanise otherwise healthy dogs.

Kinda forgottn the other rescues successfully rehomed all the others that the rspca applied for leave to seize and destroy too?

Lucky for them their owner suspected they would be back and had them all gone before they got back eh?

2 hours ago, jjj8 said:

So pal is the pedigree puppy food right ? 

 

Didn't think mine did as well with the dry puppy food. Compared with the other brands.

 

they call both products "Pedigree Pal I think?   

As for  the tinned. Made them so runny and smelly,  never again 

its not just being in the cargo hold, I saw two crates with dogs in them on a trolley line amongst the baggage, waiting to be loaded on a jet.  . Along came another jet, engines screaming as it moved into the bay beside the other jet and the waiting trolley cars, it was obvious the dogs in the carry crates were terrified as the crates were rocking so badly it was a miracle they did not come off and fall to the ground.  Why on earth not load them immediately instead of being not only in the sun for over half an hour but being subjected to another jet coming in beside them????   I saw that at Mascot airport. 

 

so distressing to see

 

Having worked for Kelvinator for ten years and they freight parts all over australia. the places parts end up instead of where they are addressed to is astonishing to say the least.

 

so what happened to that poor dog is not a one off as far as being put on the wrong plane. tragic it was the poor dog instead of an inanimate parcel

 

I can't take him to the beach for a walk because it annoys you and disturbs the vacation... I have no right to rent a house if I have a dog, nor can I take him on public transportation.
However, I can take it to the rubble to find you after an earthquake, in the woods after you got lost in the mountains and had no map or gps; under the snow because you took a detour forbidden off the track; in the water because despite the red flag you have entered the sea, and your life is in danger!
And finally ...
He is just a dog, but he or she will find you. And it will save you!!!
Dedicated to all who DO NOT love dogs!
Nicolas Alarcon