Cavandra Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I was reading today that it is being reintroduced in the USA shortly It was recalled back in 2004 due to so many adverse reactions etc.............Here in Australia we have Proheart 12 which is a 12 month injection & is 3 times the dosage of the Proheart 6 - (6 monthly) one that was recalled ;) Proheart site This is the last paragraph..........Australian Vets often give this injection at the SAME time as vaccinations ;) ProHeart® 6 is generally well tolerated. Do not use in sick, debilitated or underweight animals, animals with a history of weight loss, or within one month of vaccination. Use with caution in dogs with pre-existing allergic disease. A small percentage of dogs showed mild, transient swelling or itching at the injection site. While rare, allergic, digestive, hematological, or neurological reactions may occur. In addition, death has been reported. ProHeart 6 is available only through a restricted distribution program. Only veterinarians enrolled in this program can receive and administer ProHeart 6. In addition, ProHeart 6 must only be administered to clients whose owners have been advised of the risks of ProHeart 6 and sign an Owner Consent Form. To obtain additional information including a copy of the product labeling, visit the website at www.proheart6dvm.com or call 1-800-533-8536. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Yep always done the same day & most owners also choice to do it that way so its a cheaper visit. I am amazed how many pet owners actually dont make themselves aware of the drugs they give there dogs or even ask questions before the vets give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldD Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Yep always done the same day & most owners also choice to do it that way so its a cheaper visit.I am amazed how many pet owners actually dont make themselves aware of the drugs they give there dogs or even ask questions before the vets give it. I hadn't ever taken my dog for his vaccinations and did this time (Not Diesel - pom X Rusty) I was giving him heartworm and worming Interceptor Spectrum which the vet knew as it is in my file. She still gave him heatworm injection and C5 without asking. Call me dumb but when I asked what the second injection was she said heartworm Now I figure if you read my file - it's all there, and to not be questioned or asked but to just inject.....dumb or not dumb, a little on both sides in my case!! He lost all his fur on the injection site, thank god that was all! Never ever again....I will ddrive them crazy with questions - a lesson learnt - never asssume a vet knows you or reads your file... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I have a dog that almost died of anaphylactic shock after a heartworm injection. Never again will any of my dogs have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tess32 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Yep always done the same day & most owners also choice to do it that way so its a cheaper visit.I am amazed how many pet owners actually dont make themselves aware of the drugs they give there dogs or even ask questions before the vets give it. I hadn't ever taken my dog for his vaccinations and did this time (Not Diesel - pom X Rusty) I was giving him heartworm and worming Interceptor Spectrum which the vet knew as it is in my file. She still gave him heatworm injection and C5 without asking. Call me dumb but when I asked what the second injection was she said heartworm Now I figure if you read my file - it's all there, and to not be questioned or asked but to just inject.....dumb or not dumb, a little on both sides in my case!! He lost all his fur on the injection site, thank god that was all! Never ever again....I will ddrive them crazy with questions - a lesson learnt - never asssume a vet knows you or reads your file... What a freaking idiot vet! That's shameful, not even telling you before she gave it. I would want to report her some place. I'm glad that's the only reaction the poor pup has had. Revolting behaviour from vet ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 ". She still gave him heatworm injection and C5 without asking" Did you pay for the Heartworm jab?? What injection did you book the dog in for or tell the vet before it was given.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 ". She still gave him heatworm injection and C5 without asking" I am not remotely interested in Law suits , solicitors & the likes, but if this happened to me it would be reason enough I tell you!!!! I feel so strongly about such topics that this would mortify me enough to take legal action action :shakehead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldD Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) I booked him in for his annual immunisation. Did not even think to question what was being given. They always get a c5(??) in case they go into a ckennel somewhere throughout the dyear not that that has happened yet.... Heatworm inj - they should have known better, however stupid me. I now know better! Yep I paid for it! Weak little me, paid and got out of there angry with myself for not kicking up a fuss! Cavandra - my stupidity, live and learn. Hadmy boy died or had major complications it might have been different. She was just a locum filling in whilst the vet was away. Edited June 6, 2008 by GoldD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 GoldD that's just disgraceful, locum or not a vet (or a Doctor for that matter!) should always check the file on a patient before administering anything. Giving your dog something without asking you first is just not on. I have a collie and every year, every vet I've ever seen applies pressure about the heartworm treatment even when the whole Collie invermectin sensitivity factor is pointed out to them. A lot just don't seem to care. I've even had one vet tell me that invermectin sensitivity is a load of bs ...the mind boggles sometimes it really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valby Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 God I never knew any of this about the heart worm. My oldest dog just had the heart worm inj and vaccines my younger pup had the yearly heart worm too I always thought it was safer because I would forget the monthly tabs. Hmmm its a little disheartening the vets didn't mention the risks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 If you're a dog owner make sure you're an informed dog owner, do your research and don't just assume that everything your vet tells you is 100% correct. And don't assume that your vet is an expert in nutrition, dog behaviour and training or grooming, most of them have only basic knowledge in these areas and you are far better off asking your breeder or a qualified behaviourist/trainer if you have any specific questions. And of course there's always DOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 If you're a dog owner make sure you're an informed dog owner, do your research and don't just assume that everything your vet tells you is 100% correct. And don't assume that your vet is an expert in nutrition, dog behaviour and training or grooming, most of them have only basic knowledge in these areas and you are far better off asking your breeder or a qualified behaviourist/trainer if you have any specific questions.And of course there's always DOL Very well said Miranda........As breeders it is our job to be "experts" in our chosen breed & our duty to be up to date on health , nutrition etc.........IMO We dont expect our human GP doctors to know everything........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9kutz Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Well thats it no more heartworm Vacc for mine anymore . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valby Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) Well I'm not a breeder and I would have thought my vet was an expert on all things medically related to my dog--that's why I pay them! I can see why they aren't expert on behaviour, nutrition etc but medical treatment yes I do/would trust them My local vet has been terrific in treating my 3 dogs so that's why I'm shocked they wouldn't discuss a well know risk with me. Especially something so common as heart worm treatment. Can someone point me to the scientific evidence on this? I'm not saying I don't believe what you are saying I would just like to be able to discuss it properly with my vet. ETA: were alot of the probs associated in Proheart with dogs that had tested positive for heart worm and the drug was then administered? Edited June 6, 2008 by valby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 Valby, I am not sure what "scientific evidence" you want......in what regard? Does your GP Doctor you go to when you have Flu or something , do they operate on your broken bones, or treat you for Cancer, or whatever??????? I doubt it LOL..........Why do you think your Vet knows everything? there are specialists in Veterinary medicine, organ specialists, eye specialists etc..........Your Vet is not a specialist in all things. They can not know all things, and many do not keep up to date on things anyway. The heartworm injections was designed to treat a small amount of dogs who can not take medications for various reasons, like the owner is unable to administer a pill due to arthritis or the dog is so uncooperative the owner cant do it....(this is admitted by Wyeth themselves).....the risk in adverse reaction is small in such a small amount of dogs it was meant for. It has become routine to administer it due to huge profit margins these days!!!!.......... A quick question here would be to you , does your Vet administer it at the same time as the YEARLY vaccinations, or do they advise you it is dangerous with risk of reaction & according to the pack it should be done 6 months later ??????? The reintroduction of the recalled product that has been recalled for 5 years in other parts of the world (is this the scientific evidence you want???), yet is only a third of the strength of the Australian 12 month one, says not to administer it in 1 month of vaccination.......sounds like a new "compromise" situation to me, as they know dam well they wont get the dogs back through the doors a month later, most often they wont get them 6 months later, so they ignore this & do it at the same time of the unneccessary YEARLY Vaccinations..........Then when the dog starts seizures within 3 months of it , they treat it as "epilepsy" & refuse to acknowledge it has anything to do with Vaccine damage. Dogs that have had this shot each year can have it for years without reaction just cos they have it once without an OBVIOUS drama doesnt mean a drama wont start eventually. Luckily there are some pet owners that have been educated by breeders who have advised them what the Vet has done is the cause, and to detox the dog through a Homeopathic Vet & have NO vaccines again & they are miraculously cured of the "epilepsy" LOL......... Does your Vet tell you of the dangers of pain relief after an Op? Rimadyl kills dogs too, yet I am yet to hear a Vet tell of the risks & just give it routinely anyway. Does your Vet tell you annual vaccinations are not necessary? or do they send you a reminder notice each year??? Another question I love to ask people, is do you have their dog on monthly Advantix, because if they do why do they need to administer any other heartworm meds???????? It repels mossies & mossies in a slim chance can perhaps under the rigth conditions give your dog heartworm infestation..........Does your Vet ask you whether you use this Flea/Tick product before administering this ANNUAL heart worm injection? It all gets abit "iffy" as some lucky people can go through life injecting their dogs endlessly with all these things & have them survive it all with only mild symptoms . But just like in human vaccines, those people that have to live their lives with an autistic child caused by vaccination, perhaps dont see things as happily as others..........It is a big picture, and in this particular case the risk of heartworm infestation is so low that it simply isnt worth the risks of potential life threatening & life changing reactions for something that can often be prevented in a better & CHEAPER way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 (edited) I look at it this way if im seeing a doctor i ask questions. If im seeing a vet i ask questions.I want o now what is the benefit what is the risk ,if im not sure i will ask for the product leaflet to take home & read or google the drug. If its life or death then thats a whole different ball game but for non emergencies i would sooner pay to consult fees than have major issues afterwards These are drugs & as such carry risks that OWNERS should be asking questions. It is amazing how many people have no idea what meds there dogs are on & really what for?? They simply pay the bill come home & give it. "..Does your Vet ask you whether you use this Flea/Tick product before administering this ANNUAL heart worm injection?" Oh man this question is a doozy.We see it weekly clients whose dogs have had the injection yet the owners are still using products that do heartworm .Why because they had no clue what there vet gave there dog nor even read there receipt until we inform them. "My local vet has been terrific in treating my 3 dogs so that's why I'm shocked they wouldn't discuss a well know risk with me." Did they suggest the injection to you or did you ask them?? For the easy convience what do they charge you $100 plus?? each dog. We see reciepts from clients who have paid $130 plus for the heartworm vacc plus still using flea/tick products.A very expensive waste of money. Then you have the vets who give C7 vaccs to dogs that will never ever be at risk yet that vacc can have side effects. Just google heartworm vacc & there will be plenty of info there Edited June 8, 2008 by settrlvr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 I have heard of pugs having bad reactions to the heartworm vaccinations so have never thought about giving it to my fur kids. Pugs can have anaphylactic reactions to normal vaccinations so why inject them with something else that is unnesessary. I must have a good vet as he said it was a far more expensive option then the monthly applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 If you're a dog owner make sure you're an informed dog owner, do your research and don't just assume that everything your vet tells you is 100% correct. And don't assume that your vet is an expert in nutrition, dog behaviour and training or grooming, most of them have only basic knowledge in these areas and you are far better off asking your breeder or a qualified behaviourist/trainer if you have any specific questions.And of course there's always DOL Very well said Miranda........As breeders it is our job to be "experts" in our chosen breed & our duty to be up to date on health , nutrition etc.........IMO We dont expect our human GP doctors to know everything........... Yes, some vets need to be given a very wide berth by informed owners. A friend took har very, very itchy poodle pup to hers for treatment, so the vet gave her a C5 "while she was there" to save her a trip a few weeks later. Needless to say, the poor pup nearly tore herself to shreds after the jab as it made her so much worse. When she mentioned desexing the vet and the two vet nurses insisted that she breed "oodles" from her first as she could get $1500 a pup. She never went back to that vet to find out his opinion on heartworm shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 When she mentioned desexing the vet and the two vet nurses insisted that she breed "oodles" from her first as she could get $1500 a pup. She never went back to that vet to find out his opinion on heartworm shots ;) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 We have a vet here that has a flash website on how to start your breeding business. ;) We are very offay with the stock they have breed & the poor owners who have brought "thinking its a vet we trust them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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