Kelly_Louise Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Sasha had C7 vaccination last year (according to her medical certificates) and says she is due for her yearly vaccines again next week. That is not an issue as we have always had our dogs vaccinated yearly as per advice from the vet. However, Chloe had her vaccines in August, and was told she didn't need to come back for 3 years... I rang Sasha's vet (they have different vets), and they said that they definitely need to go yearly. Is there a new type of vaccine that lasts 3 years now? Or would that recommendation be due to the controversy regarding over-vaccination. Sasha's vaccination certificate says she is due again, however a few other people I work with say they have their dogs vaccinated every 3 years. Im confused... I don't know much about it, I just used to take Chloe every year for her vaccines - but when they told us she didn't need to come back for 3 years - and then Sasha's vet saying they must be confused - has just stumped me... Any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puglvr Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I'd be wanting to know what the C7 covers and if that is really necessary. New vaccine protocals do have 3 years. I think your vet needs to read up on the new protocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 I'd be wanting to know what the C7 covers and if that is really necessary.New vaccine protocals do have 3 years. I think your vet needs to read up on the new protocals. The C7 was done by the vet that her rescue organisation used... Im not sure why they did C7, I will be seeking a C5 on her next vaccination. That should cover her sufficiently wouldn't it? I have heard that people are vaccinating every 3 years now. Is it a new vaccine... or just using the same vaccine but not vaccinating as regularly now? My other dog Chloe, goes to her specialist and to the RSPCA for minor things like check ups, vaccines etc. Im making the assumption that if the RSPCA is only vaccinating every 3 years then it's the way to go? I guess Im just confused if the actual vaccines are different now, and that's why they only vaccinate every 3 years? Or if it is the same vaccine? I have done some research that say even if they are vaccinated every 3 years they will still need a 'booster'... what is this and what is it for? The RSPCA did not mention this, just said she won't need another vaccine for 3 years. And Sasha's vet is just saying no, she needs another vaccine this year and they should be done yearly. I really don't know what to do. I'm googling but websites are all saying different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 The 'core' most serious diseases can now be covered by a 3 year vaccine. Some vets like and use it, some don't, but it is an accepted protocol. I have heard different versions of whether it is a new vaccine or just a version of the old one, I don't know. If you want your dog covered for kennel cough it is an annual injection (or nasal spray) in addition to the 3 yearly shot, but it is only for kennel cough (kind of like an annual 'flu vaccine in humans). My vet only charges about $18 dollars for that visit, and the only reason I have it is that I board my dogs occassionally. Otherwise the efficiacy of the kc vaccine (it only covers a few strains of the organisms that can cause kc so your dog can get it even if vaccinated) vs the seriousness of disease (in most dogs it's like a bad cold) would lead me not to bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Okay, so basically if I wanted a 3 year vacc I would have to specifically ask for it, or go to a vet that uses it? I believe Sash had the KC nasal spray last year, however she still got KC about 2 times in the past year... so I'm not sure about it. It seems to be rampant in our area though so she might be best to have it. I'm assuming then, that seeing her vaccination certificate says she is due again this year, that the C7 vacc given last is only effective for the 1 year span. Might have to ring around and find out about the 3 year vaccination. It's so confusing, especially when you ask a vet and they tell you different things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Okay, so basically if I wanted a 3 year vacc I would have to specifically ask for it, or go to a vet that uses it? Yes, that's how it is here. And if the vaccination card says he is due this year then he didn't get the 3 year shot - unless if just says that Bortadella/parainfluenza is due this year, that is just the canine cough bit. If in doubt maybe drop into a vet surgery and ask the nurse to interpret. I think the KC vaccine is not worth it, but boarding kennels ask for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 C7 is a yearly vacc & total over kill unless living in areas highly predisposed to what it covers & dogs often react to the Lepto component. yes there is a 3 yearly vacc & not all vets carry it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malsam Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) as far as I noe, there are no vaccines that can actually "last" you 3 years or 1 year. Vaccines are not medication that resides in your dog's body. Vaccines are just meagre dozes of viruses going into the dog to "wake up" the defenses inside their them. I dun do vaccination yearly myself so I'm not really sure what vets have nowadays. There are a 1 year or a 3 year protocol, having the latter to address issues from vacinosis. If you are afraid that your dog is not protected against any kind of illnesses, simply do the titer test before u decide to jab or not. Results have shown in the US that 3 years per jab is more reasonable, considering the huge amount of jabs they had already taken in their early years. Some would last you 5 years and some last a lifetime! Edited October 2, 2009 by malsam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rappie Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 It depends on which vaccines were used and which protocol is being followed. A C7 can use an 'annual' C3 (parvo, distemper, hepatitis) or the 3 year C3. If you have advised to only return in 3 years, it was likely just the 3 year C3, as the additional component (parainfluenza, bordatella, coronavirus and leptospirosis) are still an annual vaccination. Regardless of the vaccinations, an annual check up is still a very good idea. For example, we use a C7 vaccination with the 3 year C3. It means on the first year, it is given as a C7, on the second and third years only the C2i (corona / lepto) and canine cough vaccines are given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 The annual C3's are also included in the AVA's new protocol as lasting 3 years. We are now taking on the new protocol, but using the annual vaccines, as the information we have looked at, some 3 yearly vaccines contain more virus particles than 3 seperate annuals. Obviously it's an off label dose, so each individual needs to be assessed as to whether this regime is right for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 According to the world expert.... a C7 is highly UNdesirable thing to give & very unneccessary. The 3 yearly vaccine is the same as the annual with a different label. the Australian Veterinary Association released their new recomended protocol recently & it is 3 yearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) C3 is MLV for parvo, distemper and hepatitis. C7 is MLV for parvo, distemper, hepatitis, parainfluenza, bordatella, corona virus and leptospiros. Corona virus is a parvo like virus which is mostly contracted by pups, not adult dogs and it is rarely fatal. Leptospiros is a tropical disease, and I believe there have been very few cases, if any, south of Mackay. If you are in Sydney, the chances of your dog contracting lepto is about the same as those of him being elected prime minister. The annual and 3 yearly vaccine are exactly the same. The 3 year vaccine was introduced and cleverly packaged to meet the requirements of the new AVA vaccination protocol. Which protocol has been in force in North America for at least 10 years. The AVA reluctantly sanctioned the 3 year protocol because it was apparent that vet members were liable to be sued by owners whose dogs suffered from diseases caused by over vaccination. If it was my dog, I would have it vaccinated with C3 on a 3 yearly basis. But do have the dog vet checked annually. Very important. I would also consider either having a talk to the vet who recommends annual vaccinations, or changing to another vet who is more up with research. IMHO, if vets aren't up with one thing, the probably aren't up with latest protocols, or advances in other areas. Over vaccination has been proven to cause a lot of problems. You certainly don't want your dog to suffer from a disease which could be vaccinated against, but on the other hand, you don't want the vaccines to cause a problem. And there is plenty of evidence that annual vaccinations DO cause problems. Here is a link to Dr Jean Dodds recommended vaccination schedule. Dr Dodds is the leading researcher in vaccines for dogs, and vaccinosis. Remember that she is in US, where rabies is a problem, so ignore the information on rabies. http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html Edited October 2, 2009 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-time Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 And this is the new vaccination protocol for Australian vets. Pretty sure a lot of them haven't had time to read their magazine ava_vaccination_policy_final_june09.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure why people are saying that the annuals are exactly the same as the triennials, as they are not. If you look at the labels, the amount of viral particles is clearly different in the 3 yearly vaccines. T-time - not all vets are members of the AVA, so if they are not, then they don't receive the magazine eta: this is from Intervet, who make an annual DHP and also a triennial one (Nobivac) when asked if the two vaccines were the same: I understand your concern regarding this, most clinics have the exact same questions! I believe this has come from Fort Dodge's triennial vaccine, as the difference between Protech(annual) & Durammune(triennial) is minimal - they are actually exactly the same except for a slightly higher titre of the adenvirus component, and Durammune is more expensive. This is type of "marketing" is completely against our beliefs of best science-based solutions. As you will see in the comparison of Companion (which as you may be aware is what we produce for Virbac) & Nobivac, the vaccine strains of Parvo, Distemper & Hepatitis are completely different; & whilst we do have the research to support the 3yr duration, it is based on the better immunogenicity (or ability to induce antibodies & immunity) of these different strains.In short, no they are not the same vaccine. The Fort Dodge rep confirmed their differences too - saying that the adenovirus componant had been 'ramped up' in their triennial. Have a look at this BROCHURE Comparison_Companion_and_Nobivac_virus_strains.doc - again its from Intervet and compares the annual Companion to their triennial Nobivac. The virus components are clearly different and if you look at the '10 to the power of', you'll see how many more virus particles there are in their triennial compared to their annual. If you work out the maths, you'd be giving more of the viruses with their triennial than you would if you dosed an animal 3 times with their annual. Edited October 3, 2009 by stormie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherezaball Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I had two of my guys titer tested yesterday and then gave them the KC nasal for KC cover. Below is a link to the vet that did it and they have some great info on their site about the new 3 year regime. http://www.animaloptions.com.au/index.php?...ot-to-vaccinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Oh goodness, so much information!! Thank you to everyone who has contributed! I really need to read up more about all this, so as to better understand it all and the ramifications it has on my dogs. Chloe is 11 years old, has been vaccinated yearly her whole life and never had a problem related to it (that we know of). Although they said her vaccination was to cover 3 years, she will definitely go back for yearly examinations (she is a regular at the vets anyway due to her allergy, arthritis and Cushings related problems), so her 'annual' visit occurs more like 10 times a year She does need the kennel cough one yearly though... well when I say need, not due to the fact that she ever boards in a kennel etc, but more so because she is getting on, she takes alot of medication for her illnesses, and Im sure her immune system is compromised in some way. So I feel that she needs protection to hopefully stop KC from getting too bad should she contract it. Bless her I'd do anything to protect her if I could Sasha... well Sash is a different kettle of fish altogether. Sasha is the kind of dog you PRAY doesn't get sick... simply because taking her to the vet is horrific! I'm not sure why she was given C7 last year - I assume it was because she had unknown history etc coming from the pound and thought it best at the time. She certainly won't be getting C7 again, now that I know a bit more. Her vacc certificate says she needs to be vaccinated again this year, so I think I will do that this time (as she is due) and then start on my research and develop my own opinion of what's best. Perhaps C5 or C3 and KC this year though. At the moment I am going to stay with the current vet (who said yearly) as they come to your house, and I'd really like to try and see how Sasha goes and behaves with the vet coming to the house. I'm hoping it won't backfire on me and make her afraid of strangers that come to the house... Well, that's what Im thinking at the moment. I also would like to ring a vet that is a bit closer to us and see what vaccination protocols they use. I just haven't found a vet that is close to us (very important) that I feel comfortable with... and it's really upsetting for me. Sasha is getting better in the car, but is still really anxious... so we might even try the sedation and take her into the vet, and see how she goes with that. I haven't fully decided what I want to do other than I will have her vaccinated again this year - Sasha is such a dilemma due to her problems with car travel, her massive anxiety attacks at the vets and her unwillingness to let the vet examine her or get near her. I must read up about titer testing as well... I can see there are split decisions on what people think is best etc. I guess everyone must decide for themselves, but there seems to be alot of support for 3 year vaccinations. I think I need to research the pros and cons and decide what the best thing is. I wish I had a vet that I could trust 100%, and that Sasha might feel confident with or would make an effort with Sasha. At the moment that's my biggest problem. Chloe has her own specialists and vet that work together - and I trust them 100% with her life... however can't find the same thing for Sasha (and she can't use the same vet as they are referral only). The good vets that have been recommended are just that bit too far away for her to comfortably travel in the car... however, maybe if I used the sedative it might work and we could get her there... Sigh, oh if there just wasn't so many other considerations with Sasha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Kelly Louise Chloe is 11 years old, has been vaccinated yearly her whole life and never had a problem related to it (that we know of). Although they said her vaccination was to cover 3 years, she will definitely go back for yearly examinations (she is a regular at the vets anyway due to her allergy, arthritis and Cushings related problems), Allergies and Cushings are two problems which may be related to over-vaccinating. Problem is that there is no evidence but a lot of suspicion!! An 11 year old dog doesn't really need vaccinating anyhow. Maybe do the research before you have Sasha revaccinated. A week or two wont make a difference, but proper qualified research which has led to vets world wide changing the protocol, says annual vaccination is not necessary. I'd check the facts first. The Australian Veterinary Association changed the protocol within the past 12 months, and her vac card would have been filled out before the change in protocol. She really doesn't need a vac this year, Kelly Louise, either C3 or C7. There is some evidence out there that dogs who are vaccinated annually are more prone to contracting parvo. Maybe show your vet the information on 3 yearly vaccinations, and ask him if he intends to follow the AVA protocol? With Sasha and the car, maybe put her in every time you go for a 5 minute drive - to the shops or whatever. Or just put her in the car and take her around the block on a regular basis. Make it a happy occasion, lots of happy noises and maybe a treat when she is in the car. Don't make a fuss of her when she is in the drive. Often getting them used to it in small doses does work, if you persevere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Jed you've made alot of sense, thank you. Perhaps I should do my research first before making any decisions, discuss it with my partner as well. I know that he will be in favour of doing only 3 years... simply because he believes many dogs these days are over-medicated etc. How very sad to learn that allergies and cushings could be related to over-vaccination. She only developed them later on in life too (particularly the bad allergy reactions), Cushings we'll never know as it's mostly in older dogs anyway. Ever since we were young, we've always yearly vaccinated, thinking we were doing the responsible thing - so we grew up thinking that's just what you did. I guess that's why it's hard for me to go against yearly vaccinations, but I want to do the best things by my dogs. After having a dog like Chloe that's had so many health problems, it really makes you want to be very careful about the things that you do. It makes you re-think alot of things... Thanks also for your advice regarding the car situation. We've been trying that lately... I've been driving her to the park and happy places (but only very short distances). She has improved a little I must say. Not sure if it will be enough... but what's a bit of vomit hey? The big problem is letting the vet touch or examine her.... she goes ballistic. She'll gladly take a treat and be friendly, but try to touch her and it's a whole different dog. Going to try a few different techniques this time (yes I've tried to plan it out)... but whenever she needs medical attention or it's check up time etc, I get SO stressed thinking about how we're going to do it. But on the day I try to stay calm and keep everybody relaxed and happy... I'm sure it doesn't always work though. Can't avoid it though, she needs to learn to deal with it - and I'm aware it's going to be a very long journey and effort... lucky I love the darn girl and think she is worth every effort!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 What are of Sydney are you in, Kelly Louise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 There is some evidence out there that dogs who are vaccinated annually are more prone to contracting parvo. Where? Honest question, because I've looked, and I haven't yet found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now