Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) I am not a breeder (not yet anyway- but in 20-30 years time, look out pug world! :D ) so i dont know what is normal in terms of how many bitches are pregnant at any one time, or how many puppies are whelped in an average year i have one question tho- is 26 puppies a lot to have at one time? it sounds a lot to me but as i said, i'm not a breeder and i dont know if this abnormal as i know some breeders have large properties and quite a few dogs. ETA: the breed i'm asking about does not whelp large numbers of pups (for example, it is not one of the larger breeds that can have between 8-12 pups at a time) Edited January 23, 2010 by bertandsally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 what breed are the puppies? Some litters can have ten at once? I think it depends on what the breeder is capable of raising properly, and the homes lined up etc. If a breeder is able to keep the pups if they don't sell then I don't think there's anything wrong with having two litters etc. But yes, to me also; 26 pups sounds like a lot.. That's atleast three litters of aussies in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 what breed are the puppies? Some litters can have ten at once? I think it depends on what the breeder is capable of raising properly, and the homes lined up etc. If a breeder is able to keep the pups if they don't sell then I don't think there's anything wrong with having two litters etc. But yes, to me also; 26 pups sounds like a lot.. That's atleast three litters of aussies in my mind dont know if i can say the breed?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 what breed are the puppies? Some litters can have ten at once? I think it depends on what the breeder is capable of raising properly, and the homes lined up etc. If a breeder is able to keep the pups if they don't sell then I don't think there's anything wrong with having two litters etc. But yes, to me also; 26 pups sounds like a lot.. That's atleast three litters of aussies in my mind dont know if i can say the breed?..... you can say the breed. I just wouldnt say the breeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 the breed is pugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Yeah, that sounds like a lot to me. But the breeder may well be capable. is the breeder registered/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 If someone is a full time stay-at-home breeder, 26 pups if managable, especially if the bitches are experienced and the litters large. Lots of pooh to pick up, though, if they all hit 6 to 8 weeks at once, and lots of puppy buyers to deal with. Not my cup of tea. If the breeder has a lot of other responsibilities and are away from the house/property a lot, they will probably have a decline in survival rate. Breeders hate loosing pups, so most of them stay below the number they can manage well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Yeah, that sounds like a lot to me.But the breeder may well be capable. is the breeder registered/ yes they are, one of the breeders we looked at when we were getting bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 i dont know anything about the capabilities of the breeder, only know their name and a little about them. just when i saw 26 pug pups for sale i was a little :D but as stated the breeder may well be a stay at home breeder with a lot of experience. i found it hard to cope with one! imagine 26! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Is this over a year or at one time?? Over a year, quite common for some, at one time, Id say thats quite a few and they'd have to be registed as a buisness wouldnt theyas they would be raking in the $?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Is this over a year or at one time?? Over a year, quite common for some, at one time, Id say thats quite a few and they'd have to be registed as a buisness wouldnt theyas they would be raking in the $?? hi missymoo this is at one time. and i dont know if they are registered as a business or not, as i said dont know too much about them. they also breed another breed (if that makes sense) so they must keep pretty busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I cant speak for them but in our household all the bitches come in at the same time so basically its a case of mate all or mate some now & the others latter. Factors would be considered if we where to mate all( im talking 3 bitches) as to due date,weather at that time etc etc> We have had 3 litters at once & ideally wouldnt do it often but it was case of the stud was at limited use & we couldnt wait till next season to use him so we had to mate 2 to this male & one to other.The weather when due was ideal so all was fine. Now if 26 isnt there total quota & the numbers so far i would start to think why so many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 If they happened to have 26 puppies at a time a number of times per year, I'd be wondering. But if it is a once-off, or even a yearly thing then it could be a case of all bitches cycling at once, or as showdog said, limited availability to certain stud dogs, or limited time off for the human caretakers etc etc. I'd want to see the overall picture before I would condemn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snout Girl Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 hi ellz i am certainly not looking to condemn anyone, it just struck me as a little odd but not having any experience with breeding etc I was unsure whether it was commonplace or not. we are starting to research breeders for our next pug (not for 18 months- 2 years, but its never too soon ) so i just wanted to get as much information as possible in order to make an informed decision the only thing i do know for sure is the breeder has about 15 adult dogs/bitches and at one time they have had about 15 puppies and another time 26 (this has been over around 7-8 months) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 They're obviously a fairly large kennel then so provided they have adequate assistance and the puppies are socialised well, I don't think I'd have too many problems with dealing with them. I'd want to be sure that they are well-known in show circles though if they are breeding at that volume. If they only had say, a handful of bitches and were breeding large numbers from them every 7 - 8 months I'd probably see things differently. No small, unknown kennel that doesn't show has any business to be turning over that many puppies IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 They're obviously a fairly large kennel then so provided they have adequate assistance and the puppies are socialised well, I don't think I'd have too many problems with dealing with them. I'd want to be sure that they are well-known in show circles though if they are breeding at that volume. If they only had say, a handful of bitches and were breeding large numbers from them every 7 - 8 months I'd probably see things differently. No small, unknown kennel that doesn't show has any business to be turning over that many puppies IMO. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Because I don't see why anybody who isn't producing "known" dogs can justify having that many dogs and breeding that many puppies. If at least SOME of their dogs don't hit the show rings, then they are essentially backyard breeders or potential puppy farmers. There has to be SOME form of accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Because I don't see why anybody who isn't producing "known" dogs can justify having that many dogs and breeding that many puppies. If at least SOME of their dogs don't hit the show rings, then they are essentially backyard breeders or potential puppy farmers. There has to be SOME form of accountability. So how do you know they arent using some other form of accountability system? If they are selecting for [say] less elongated soft palate or less brachy head syndrome,less patella problems etc and not a champion until they get the other bits right for example? Whether they show or not might be an indication that they have bred champions but not that they are doing something they are not being accountable for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) I believe they ought to be KNOWN by SOMEBODY (and not just their vet). They may be breeding for one particular trait, but that doesn't mean that they are breeding "quality" dogs or even sound dogs for that matter. Breeding dogs isn't a piecemeal thing, it is a total package. So if they are trying to breed for one thing and neglecting the overall dog, then that is just as much of a concern as somebody who is just breeding for the heck of it. And editing to add: Believe me, I do not feel that the showring and results are the be-all, end-all of why a person should breed. But I still think that if somebody is going to have a good show at breeding quality dogs, they should at least have representatives of their own dogs out there to be compared with the breed standard by impartial people. If somebody is breeding that many puppies on a regular basis and they are ALL going into pet homes, then I'm sorry, but that is an issue for me. Edited January 23, 2010 by ellz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevafollo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Personally seems like a few to many pups , do you know how many bitches that 26 spands over? It would have to be atleast five bitches (and probably more like about 7, given litter sizes) and I cant understand why anyone would want to breed that many bitches at once? Before some one says it, I know all the different speils, like bitches coming on heat at the same time, if you have the time why not ect but I still dont get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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