The Ark Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) I received this enquiry for one of my puppies: Dear xxxx, My name is xxxx xxxx and i found your information on DOGZ ONLINE.COM.AU and saw that you have a xxxxx available. I have currently a male xxxxx thats 7months old and would love a female for him. I was wondering how much are your pups. Yes my dog is registered with Dogs NSW and we have a reasonable backyard. Actually our pup is very quite spoilt as we take him everywhere cept the shops. I hope you can help us in getting a female as we've gone through almost most breeders. The one's I have contacted are show breeders and quite too precisely for us and we only after a house female companion for our male pup. Thank you for your time. So I said "sorry but you have contacted another show breeder", and proceeded to tell her why people show dogs and breed dogs carefully. The reply: Thank you for the heaps of info and we're sorry to hear that you are a show breeder as our male is not yet desexed as we're still deciding on that issue. We've had a demand for puppies from friends but unfortunately xxxxx are a rare breed to find in pet shops. We love our pet dog too but only accidentally stumbled across him in a pet shop in xxxxx. Not to worry my husband will keep trying as this second pet is for me as a birthday present. The male pup was my daughter's birthday present. We did consider in buying a xxxxx but fell in love with a xxxxx instead and i understand why. Thank you for your reply and i hope we can find a mate for our male pup. My reply: "Oh boy! I’m sorry to hear that your boy came from a pet shop as no puppy should EVER be bought from a pet shop. No decent breeder would EVER supply a pet shop with a puppy. Sadly, you have probably supported a puppy farmer by buying that pup! Did you see what conditions his mum and dad lived in? Were they happy and healthy? Unfortunately, this is why you are unlikely to find a responsible breeder who will let you have one of their pups. Breeding should only ever be done with the goal of improving the breed and producing the best and healthiest specimens of the breed. And well-bred, healthy, well-socialised pups from a reputable breeder make good pets. The reason we show dogs is to have them assessed according to their breed standard to ensure that the breed remains true to type and to minimise health problems. We want even our “pet” quality pups to be of the best quality and temperament and in the best of health. Sorry we couldn’t help you, but I would urge you to weigh up the real cost of getting another dog from a pet shop." Why is there a Dogs NSW registered pup being sold from the pet shop in the first place? (If indeed it is registered) I am still shaking with rage here...... Edited January 22, 2011 by The Ark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wow. Have you recieved a reply yet? Should be interesting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Oh golly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wow. Have you recieved a reply yet?Should be interesting..... I'm not really expecting a reply as I'm sure they are convinced that they are right, and all reputable breeders are elitist, money-hungry snobs. :D It breaks my heart that people still think this is okay - the message just isn't getting through. And I know there are a hundred threads regarding this, but I just had to vent. I am going to be lucky to find homes for any of these little guys as I will be so suspicious of anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 just tell them all pups are desexed before leaving for their new homes. That will get rid of the bums that want to breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfan Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 :D That's sad. I agree with Nekhbet, tell them that all pups are desexed before going to new homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 In their defence, they probably thought they'd done the right thing as regards their last pup, by buying an ANKC registered pup, even if it was from a petstore. Many people think that if a breeder is ANKC registered, they must be ethical and reputable. These people are in need of a little education, but I'm personally much more disturbed at the DogsNSW breeder who sold their pups via a petstore - if they're a registered breeder, surely they should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippetsmum Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 OK, obviously not the right sort to sell a pup to. Agree 100% with you there. You say that you are in a rage thinking that a registered breeder sold the pup to a pet shop, but that may not be the case here. Given that the enquiry came from someone not so well informed, they probably have that wrong too. Hopefully when they said "registered with Dogs NSW" they meant that they have registered his chip in the companion animal register. A lot of people think that their dogs's "papers" are the microchip paperwork and proof of vaccination. It's only when you buy a pup from a registered breeder that you would become aware of the other meanings, and the difference between main and limited registers and the reasons why you shouldn't breed from limited registered animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops. eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers Edited January 22, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 It breaks my heart that people still think this is okay - the message just isn't getting through. And I know there are a hundred threads regarding this, but I just had to vent. I am going to be lucky to find homes for any of these little guys as I will be so suspicious of anyone. Buuuuttt, if you didn't trust the occasional person, you would still have a naughty little mismarked girl causing havoc at your place, rather than in a home in Canberra working her little heart out in obedience... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyla Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 There is a lab breeder who advertises in the TP, pups are sold through a pet shop, there is a neverending supply, and if you want ANKC papers with them you pay the extra few hundred they charge. They only have the one colour available. I recently had a couple visit who were looking to add a second dog. I was very impressed with what they knew / had researched. They understood a lot, had their current pup in training (toy breed), and were looking to get into agility with the new pup. They explained how much research they had done with their other pup, and he comes from a show breeder. Pup did not come with papers though. Pup cost a small fortune, and breeder told them it would be an extra $300 to supply papers. :D My guess is that pup was ineligible for papers ie: too many litters from mum, so asking a rediculous price gets them out of supplying the papers. They also were amazed at the temperament of my lot, as the mum of their pup was a bit aggro. The breeder explained this was because she had pups. Pups or no pups mine never show aggression to people. My point being, that nomatter how much joe average researches, they can still be duped into thinking they are doing the right thing. All we can do is try to stay objective in educating people about what we consider to be acceptable practise. Keeping the emotion out of the situation, I find, can get the point across better than belittling a purchasers previous choices. (not that I think that is what the OP has done, just trying to make a point) Also agree that most people think council / microchip papers = pedigree papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? i will check out the ankc and sa dogs but i was sure it had something to do with the ankc not being able to restrict trade so the ruke was that registered breeders could only sell to PIAA pet shops eta do you have a link to the SA code of ethics please? Edited January 22, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? i will check out the ankc and sa dogs but i was sure it had something to do with the ankc not being able to restrict trade so the ruke was that registered breeders could only sell to PIAA pet shops eta do you have a link to the SA code of ethics please? yep - on the dogssa website - download the rule book - page 41 - code of ethics for all SACA members http://www.dogssa.com.au/Website/index.php?id=10&level=2 11. I shall not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers, or directly or indirectly to allow a dog to be given as a prize or donation in a contest or any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 That was a great enquiry. Gave you all the reasons to say No. At least they didn't lie & say I want a little girl for my widowed mother for company but it must have main registered papers or I will feel ripped off paying so much. Yeah Sad thing is that they will get a puppy from someone. At least you tried to explain. ETA It is the code of ethics in SA that we cannot sell to pet shops. Totally agree but some just do it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I think you'll find that even though our canine authorities don't want their Breeders selling to Petshops, the restriction of trade is actually illegal - I'm pretty sure that is the case for Dogs NSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I think you'll find that even though our canine authorities don't want their Breeders selling to Petshops, the restriction of trade is actually illegal - I'm pretty sure that is the case for Dogs NSW. This may be the case - but wouldn't SACA be allowed to suspend your membership and thus your ability to get your puppies registered? (wouldn't stop you from being able to sell to a pet store, just stop you from being able to do any showing etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? i will check out the ankc and sa dogs but i was sure it had something to do with the ankc not being able to restrict trade so the ruke was that registered breeders could only sell to PIAA pet shops eta do you have a link to the SA code of ethics please? yep - on the dogssa website - download the rule book - page 41 - code of ethics for all SACA members http://www.dogssa.com.au/Website/index.php?id=10&level=2 11. I shall not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers, or directly or indirectly to allow a dog to be given as a prize or donation in a contest or any kind. thank you for that. i will look at the ankc rules eta here are the ankc regulations from here http://www.ankc.org.au/Regulations-1.aspx 26. A member shall not: .1 Sell or dispose of a dog to a commercial pet wholesaler or retail pet shop unless they are accredited by the Pet Industry Association of Australia Limited (PIAA). .2 Allow a dog owned by that member to be given as a prize or donation or to be auctioned. i do not believe dogssa can restrict a breeders trade and if they can then the ankc should be following their lead Edited January 22, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D & D Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? i will check out the ankc and sa dogs but i was sure it had something to do with the ankc not being able to restrict trade so the ruke was that registered breeders could only sell to PIAA pet shops eta do you have a link to the SA code of ethics please? yep - on the dogssa website - download the rule book - page 41 - code of ethics for all SACA members http://www.dogssa.com.au/Website/index.php?id=10&level=2 11. I shall not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers, or directly or indirectly to allow a dog to be given as a prize or donation in a contest or any kind. thank you for that. i will look at the ankc rules eta here are the ankc regulations from here http://www.ankc.org.au/Regulations-1.aspx 26. A member shall not: .1 Sell or dispose of a dog to a commercial pet wholesaler or retail pet shop unless they are accredited by the Pet Industry Association of Australia Limited (PIAA). .2 Allow a dog owned by that member to be given as a prize or donation or to be auctioned. i do not believe dogssa can restrict a breeders trade and if they can then the ankc should be following their lead They can't. If someone were to fight the rule, it would have to be changed. So far, no-one's fought it. so it stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 the ankc allow registered breeders to sell puppies to pet shops as long as they were PIAA shops.eta so this puppy could legitimately have dogs nsw papers wow - code of ethics in SA says that a registered breeder can not sell to pet shops at all. How come it is different in NSW? i will check out the ankc and sa dogs but i was sure it had something to do with the ankc not being able to restrict trade so the ruke was that registered breeders could only sell to PIAA pet shops eta do you have a link to the SA code of ethics please? yep - on the dogssa website - download the rule book - page 41 - code of ethics for all SACA members http://www.dogssa.com.au/Website/index.php?id=10&level=2 11. I shall not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers, or directly or indirectly to allow a dog to be given as a prize or donation in a contest or any kind. thank you for that. i will look at the ankc rules eta here are the ankc regulations from here http://www.ankc.org.au/Regulations-1.aspx 26. A member shall not: .1 Sell or dispose of a dog to a commercial pet wholesaler or retail pet shop unless they are accredited by the Pet Industry Association of Australia Limited (PIAA). .2 Allow a dog owned by that member to be given as a prize or donation or to be auctioned. i do not believe dogssa can restrict a breeders trade and if they can then the ankc should be following their lead They can't. If someone were to fight the rule, it would have to be changed. So far, no-one's fought it. so it stays. thank you for that. maybe dogssa haven't put in the full regulation as determined by the ankc. interesting though that state kennel clubs can have different rules and regs to the national body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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