Cosmolo Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Just to add- so much bite inhibition is learned with Mum and littermates before the puppy even goes home. Humans are crappy teachers of bite inhibition- how much is too hard varies so much depending on the person, the clothes we wear etc it is far too confusing for most people and most puppies- the potential for inconsistency is huge. Pups can learn quickly that mouth on humans is a no go and then be redirected to appropriate items to mouth. I have never seen an established link between stopping mouth on people and lack of bite inhibition in a dog. I have seen poor bite inhibition in pups removed from littermates too early, hand raised or those who are poorly socialised and/ or denied interaction with other dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothieGirl Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Yeah, both of mine only wear collars when out and about, but my property is really safe. When I move I may have to rethink that approach, but I also don't want to mess up Ren's coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 tollers u mean the autumn show at bulla?? we will be there for the saturday show as dallas' first show and then the sunday we havea the goldie open show Yup, sorry should have been clearer . I've entered both shows so I will see you there on the Saturday Can't wait to meet the little fluff ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alouk Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 hey everyone!!great advice thanks!! I was going to try the thumb under the tongue trick but i wasnt sure if it was a good idea so young - conflicting stories!! i shall implement it as of now! When I did the thumb under her tongue trick to my BC, she loved it and thought my thumb was a toy too! So beware I do a low growl and hold the top of her muzzle, with a bit of pressure directed to her canines, whenever she mouths me and she seems to be getting it. One day the growl was enough...then she seemed to forget about it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothieGirl Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I've never really made much of a fuss out mouthing, rather just given an ah ah and then quickly, but without excitement, replaced my hand with a toy and continued playing, making a fuss of the pup with the toy. With Ren, Bronte has been in charge of pretty much all of his bite inhibition training, he's never really seen me as something to mouth, think I got lucky with this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 yeh she thought the thumb trick was a toy bahaha so we will try something else hahaha i wasnt sure if i was doing the right thing with her being so young but im up to try ANYTHING the mouthing is getting worse lol so growling it is hahah Whats the rule with staring into dogs eyes?? good or bad? say im trying to get her to stop mouthing good or bad to hold her mouth thumb under tounge and stare her in the eyes and growl? dogs read facial expressions really well so wasnt sure on the rules here?? YAY tollers!! she needs more small friends to play wiht all my doggies friends are huge bahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 If you want to do any training with her or take her out in public places I would definately make eye contact a positive. It is much easier to have a dog that is paying attention to you and focused on you with eye contact. Have you asked her breeder for some advice? Being very mouthy sounds like a typical retriever pup behaviour. Have you tried as soon as the pup makes contact with teeth on skin stand up sliently, walk out the room and ignore the pup for a min, when you come back in the room play with your pup and lots of praise for not putting her mouth on your hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 the point is to apply enough pressure with your thumb until you see the face go 'oh crap thats not nice!'. Dont stare your pup in the face and growl there is no need to, people who have this habit and do it to older dogs end up bitten on the face by a dog that takes up the challenge. The point is not to dominate the pup into submission, just to make mouthing feel really yucky for them and get no exciting attention from you either. If I do it to a pup I say nothing, I stay neutral so the pup is not flooded with stimuli. $I take my hand away for a couple of seconds, then offer it limply near the dogs face and if the pup doesnt nip it instantly gets quiet praise and a treat, or toy if thats what's floating the boat. I pat the pup around the head and face, get them used to being handled and touched and praising them the whole time they accept it. Never had a head shy dog from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I do similar to Nek, but i gently hold the lower jaw (ie the pup holds me with their mouth, so my hand then holds their jaw) just keeping hold for a second after they realised they can't move themselves away is all it takes to make the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 yeh she thought the thumb trick was a toy bahaha so we will try something else hahaha i wasnt sure if i was doing the right thing with her being so young but im up to try ANYTHING the mouthing is getting worse lol so growling it is hahahWhats the rule with staring into dogs eyes?? good or bad? say im trying to get her to stop mouthing good or bad to hold her mouth thumb under tounge and stare her in the eyes and growl? dogs read facial expressions really well so wasnt sure on the rules here?? YAY tollers!! she needs more small friends to play wiht all my doggies friends are huge bahaha They will be about the same size then or Dallas would be bigger! Personally I never ever told Jovi off by staring her down and growling. I want to do obedience and I encouraged her staring at my face/eyes, so much so that she now is extremely focused and doesn't stop looking at my face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emery Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 my show trainer says get a tea strainer tie it to a stick and put bait in and hold just in front of nose pup will follow reard every few steps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 When i hold her mouth to make her care i would have to use all my strenth! it doesnt bother her if i hold really hard thats why i was going to consider the growling... oh well just keep trying!! Emery i have tried holding the food just out of reach but she just launches at it and her front feet never touch the ground hahaha Oh well just keep going on the walks and what not and fingers crossed next show training session is better!! Nekbet - the comment she si only 9 weeks old... i needed to hear that!! i think i panic and think omg am i the only one whos dog is like this? so its nice to know its normal hahaha i am alwasy being told ur doing this wrong and that wrong - everyone has an opinon and dont u know how cruel i am for crate training her!! so i guess i just needed to hear someone say its ok relax hahaha so thank u!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 dont feel too bad I have a 6 month old who has just created a confetti party of stuff in my living room ... you just breathe and think, they're dogs and they're babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 i lure for stacking as she is a goldie she stands nicely that way, i struggle with the lureing on the move though hahaha i dont clicker train i have considered it but its not something i want to get into unfortunalty.. thanks for the advice Why not? The behaviours learned through shaping are much more reliable that luring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 just not my style personal choice... i have enough stuff in my hands during training i dont need a clicker as well!! i have played with them at tafe nad with a mates dogs who are clicker trained and i do get the appeal but yeh pretty much just not my thing i would rather lure for show training and tug for obedience work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 dont feel too bad I have a 6 month old who has just created a confetti party of stuff in my living room ... you just breathe and think, they're dogs and they're babies bahha thankfully so far we havent destroyed anything but there is still PLENTY of time!! I thought i must be doing something wrong cause her brother and all my mates puppies are doing some things sooo much better nad jut fluked lead training and what not... but i shouldnt compare her... she hasnt had a single accident in the house or on the concrete ever!! so nah nah nah to everyone struggling with toilet training bahaha once i get the mouthing rules through to everyone we will get that under wraps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 just not my style personal choice... i have enough stuff in my hands during training i dont need a clicker as well!! i have played with them at tafe nad with a mates dogs who are clicker trained and i do get the appeal but yeh pretty much just not my thing i would rather lure for show training and tug for obedience work You don't actually need a clicker, you can use a word, the point of 'clicker training' is to bridge between the moment the dog does correct behaviour and when it gets the treat, so that if you are too slow to get the treat to the pup it knows it was being rewarded for what it did 5 secs ago, not what it is doing when it gets the treat. It also teaches the dog to think when you shape behaviours. Tug is not a training method btw, its a reward like food. You would be luring and using tug as a reward in obedience as well it sounds like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 well i dnt want to use a clicker... but i do use words like 'yes' so yeh i do mark behaviours and i use tug as a reward or method whatever u wanna call it im not into the technical side lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 just not my style personal choice... i have enough stuff in my hands during training i dont need a clicker as well!! i have played with them at tafe nad with a mates dogs who are clicker trained and i do get the appeal but yeh pretty much just not my thing i would rather lure for show training and tug for obedience work You don't have to use a clicker to shape. You've already made your mind up so doesn't matter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 show training again and we did much better seems her brain is kicking in bahaha got a fair amoutn of one on one time wiht the trainer as the class was just me and a rotty bitch trainer managed to talk me into clicker training as my marking isnt fast enough bahahahaha i hate it but its working lol so much crap to carry in my hands!!! thought u guys would love this bahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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