Inevitablue Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Steve Austin was just on Today, saying he believes it's now time to ban them nationally. His reasoning is that while any dog is capable of aggression there has just been one to many incidents now, with this style of dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilidh Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Steve Austin was just on Today, saying he believes it's now time to ban them nationally. His reasoning is that while any dog is capable of aggression there has just been one to many incidents now, with this style of dog. Thank god for someone like Steve Austin to voice what many are thinking. Too too many attacks by this type of dog, when will it stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Please, pretty please won't someone TELL US ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE DOG WHY can't journo's and others realise that ascribing attacks to "pitbulls" is about as useful as ascribing assaults to "male white caucasians". Such dogs have a profile. Learn the profile, learn the warning signs and these utter tragedies can be prevented. Please DOLers lets not see this thread degenerate into another "pro v anti ABPT debacle". All you do is fuel the myth that breed alone can explain why these things may or may not happen. Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rep628 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Steve Austin was just on Today, saying he believes it's now time to ban them nationally. His reasoning is that while any dog is capable of aggression there has just been one to many incidents now, with this style of dog. I have to admit, I have no idea who Steve Austin (I've googled, "leading dog trainer".. perhaps?). But really, let's be honest, 1/2 the problem with that statement is that the attack happened in a state that already has BSL. So does that mean when we ban them nationally, we're going to have 7 more attacks - one for each state. That type of legislation clearly didn't help this girl. Oh, and then there is the plain and simple fact that any good, internationally recognized dog trainer would never, ever say anything like that. Maybe you could 5-10 years ago when this was at it's frenzied peak, but alas, Australia is one of the few, few countries in the world that is adament that this Draconian way will ever be viable. The dog needs to be euthanized and the owner made an example of in the legal system so all his friends who thought she/he was so "legit" or whatever will think twice about having something in their possession that can inflict harm because that owner clearly lacked enough intellegence/humanity to be a responsible human being. And the stock photo, can't do it with humans because then that media outlet is labelled biased/bigots/racists. I know you can't say BSL is racist, but there are some serious parallels. I hated ABC's headline, but the article was well written and the quote that jumped out at me was, "Police say the dog is a "pitbull crossed with something else". " Well, now we'll NEVER know what the dog truly was, unless it was actually registered with council as a APBT X.. Unlikely. Such a horrible day for the dog world and that poor family. She was my first thought this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilidh Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Please, pretty please won't someone TELL US ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE DOG WHY can't journo's and others realise that ascribing attacks to "pitbulls" is about as useful as ascribing assaults to "male white caucasians". Such dogs have a profile. Learn the profile, learn the warning signs and these utter tragedies can be prevented. Please DOLers lets not see this thread degenerate into another "pro v anti ABPT debacle". All you do is fuel the myth that breed alone can explain why these things may or may not happen. But don't you think there is something wrong when a breed has to be 'kept' in a certain way? Muzzled etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) But don't you think there is something wrong when a breed has to be 'kept' in a certain way? Muzzled etc? Yes, I think it wrong that society is ascribing responsibility for the dog's behaviour to the wrong end of the leash. Not every individual in any breed "needs" to be kept in such a manner Ceilidh. I would urge anyone who has pro breed ban views about dogs to read Karen Delise's excellent book Fatal Dog Attacks. Even a cursory browse will educate you that dangerous dogs are MADE, not born and that failure to train, failure to socialise and failure to manage are at the root of each and every one of these tragedies. Failure to supervise children is another very common factor but not in this case it seems. Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rep628 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Please, pretty please won't someone TELL US ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE DOG WHY can't journo's and others realise that ascribing attacks to "pitbulls" is about as useful as ascribing assaults to "male white caucasians". Such dogs have a profile. Learn the profile, learn the warning signs and these utter tragedies can be prevented. Please DOLers lets not see this thread degenerate into another "pro v anti ABPT debacle". All you do is fuel the myth that breed alone can explain why these things may or may not happen. THANK YOU Poodlefan. If this was Facebook, I would "Unlike" that, just so I could keep "Like-ing" it again. When my boyfriend read about the attack, his reply was "well, it happened in St. Albans, so that's not a big surprise as to one of the "whys"." Time and time again, there are CONSISTENT factors that attribute to dog attacks, especially fatal ones. The socio-economic area is a big one. Oh, and I'll put good money on the fact (hell, I'd even shave my long, gorgeous Jenn Hawkins like hair off) to say this dog was intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfgirl Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This was on the radio this morning, it was a purebred Pitbull and they had the President of the club on this morning with callers able to call in and voice their opinion. How horrific for the family and such a sad loss to a sweet and innocent life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Rep, I will lay you odds this dog was young, male, intact, poorly trained, not well socialised, possibly aquired for status or 'protection' purposes and with a history of aggression. If you told me it was kept chained I'd be unsurprised. But "pitbull" is a lot more attractive to journo's. It's the "great white shark" factor of the name that will be guaranteed to set pulses racing and sell advertising on TV and in newspapers. Hysteria makes ratings and sells column inches folks. Your average journo has a vested interest in fanning the flames. Lets hear about the OWNER of the dog shall we? Lets hear how it was acquired raised and cared for. And let's wait for the owner to lie his or her arse off to protect themselves. I can hear it now "he'd never done anything like this before". The dog was probably the terror of the street. Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastus_froggy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 My heart goes out to the family involved. Banning any breed of dog is not the answer and will never work. Look at any list of things that are illegal/banned, they never totally removed from society, they still there and they still occur. Banning anything only stops the honest people from doing/owning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Rep, I will lay you odds this dog was young, male, intact, poorly trained, not well socialised, possibly aquired for status or 'protection' purposes and with a history of aggression. If you told me it was kept chained I'd be unsurprised. Lets hear about the OWNER of the dog shall we? Lets hear how it was acquired raised and cared for. And let's wait for the owner to lie his or her arse off to protect themselves. I can hear it now "he'd never done anything like this before". The dog was probably the terror of the street. Would have education helped? There are groups in society that still street race, regardless of the strong message that it is unsafe plus with the impounding/ confiscation laws. Some like the fact that they live on the edge, be it legally or safely. Edited August 17, 2011 by Inevitablue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Would have education have helped? There are groups in society that still street race, regardless of the strong message that it is unsafe plus with the impounding/ confiscation laws. Some like the fact that they live on the edge, be it legally or safely. And some lose their cars if they break the law. If you tell me this dog was unknown to council, I'll be surprised. But when we write off the attack due to breed, what's to stop this owner from getting another dog. And how did the fact the breed was already banned stop this from happening. It didn't. It probably just ensured that this dog didn't get the kind of socialisation that well raised family pets do. Bring on licensing for owners, not dogs. Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Steve Austin was just on Today, saying he believes it's now time to ban them nationally. His reasoning is that while any dog is capable of aggression there has just been one to many incidents now, with this style of dog. I am starting to agree. That poor poor little girl. My heart goes out to her parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Steve Austin was just on Today, saying he believes it's now time to ban them nationally. His reasoning is that while any dog is capable of aggression there has just been one to many incidents now, with this style of dog. Thank god for someone like Steve Austin to voice what many are thinking. Too too many attacks by this type of dog, when will it stop? I completely agree. Get rid of those dogs. The councils don't do enough, they are easy to buy, and the dogs kill their "prey". An innocent child has been killed, and her family will suffer for the rest of their lives. We do not need these dogs. Edited August 17, 2011 by turkishdelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Agree PF with the fact that this dog was most likely already known to council. How can councils be better equipped to manage the situations? Make all dog impounding officers be extensively knowledgeable in dogs (not an all rounder ticket writing officer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is the link to the ABC story...perhaps the reporting is not so sensational http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/dog-kills-melbourne-toddler/2844178 Yes, seemed quite factual to me, no sensationalism in that story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda K Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 they were talking to one of the journos who is in the street, and said that the little girls house was the only one in the street with no front fence, the dog, which is normally contained in a very high fenced back yard (and none of the other neighbours had seen, but sounded aggressive from its bark - the fact it has never been seen certainly suggests it doesn't get exercised very often to me)somehow got out (whether a gate was opened accidentally, not sure), anyway the dog crossed the street, went into the front yard where the girl and her cousin were playing, they went to go inside to try to get away, an the dog came i the house with them. So sad what happened to the family, I feel for them and what happened to the girl is just horrible , but sounds like it truly was a tinderbox waiting to explode if this dog was being kept confined in the yard, no exercise, probably no training, intact and just waiting to explode like this, the owners should face the full penalties for creating this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krustie22 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) yep...ban them...??? right because that has already worked so well... do you ever wonder if BSL is the CAUSE!? I do...how can you ignore the fact that due to BSL, only morons that think they are a status symbol own them - illegally!! Im sure the amount of poorly trained, poorly socialised APBTs totally outnumber the legally owned, well trained family pet APBTs... Banning them is just as ineffective as reducing speed limits on roads...the people that are the problem to start with are the ones that are going to ignore the rules anyway!!! EDIT: I have deleted the last paragraph due to people misunderstanding it was only an example to answer earlier questions of HOW it got INSIDE the house... Edited August 18, 2011 by krustie22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) While i feel for the family, you have to wonder if the little girls didnt find the dog wandering outside, and had a play with it then took it in to mommy to do the whole "can we keep it?" when the dog was cornered in the house it was unfamiliar with, it could have become fear aggressive? Or do the people that want the breed banned think it picked out a house with people home, and knocked down the door??? Krustie, blaming the victim will not assist the cause of this breed one iota. There's a dead 3 year old.. show some respect dude. Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Who cares how the dog found the little kids in the front yard or got into the house. 1 child is dead and 2 people are injured. That poor family and the Dad doesnt even know yet. Just horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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