Silvawilow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Labradors have been involved in some quite serious incidents in recent years. When a dog of that breeding is involved, its written off as an aberation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 PitBulls have a very bad reputation in society. Just imagine trying to sell your house and telling the prospective buyers that your next door neighbour has one or two Pitbulls. They are one of the most feared type of dog in modern society. Now a pitbull type has slaughtered a small child, someone's baby. What good is a having a dog that has to be confined for fear of it attacking an animal or human ? My opinion is this type of dog has no place in society. Do the dogs suffer because they have bad owners that don't know what to do ? Yes. Do we need these dogs ? No. TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of are people failing to grasp??? I know what you're saying. Not every Pitbull, Am Staff, Pitbull crossed with something else to avoid the label etc is a bad dog. Too many of them have been encouraged to be actively violent, and it is in the breeding. They are time bomb dogs. The community fear is being fueled by this very real,recent news item. I know that "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks". Stopping dog attacks is a huge issue and you can't fix it in one step but you can make a step to stop people keeping the wrong type of dog. If the 30 year old male didn't have the dog, the little girl would be alive today. I am against BSL in theory, but I think when dogs start killing kids it is crisis time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The community fear is being fueled by this very real,recent news item. I know that "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks". Stopping dog attacks is a huge issue and you can't fix it in one step but you can make a step to stop people keeping the wrong type of dog. If the 30 year old male didn't have the dog, the little girl would be alive today. I am against BSL in theory, but I think when dogs start killing kids it is crisis time. We can also make a step to stop the wrong kind of people having any dog. Frankly I think that would be far more effective, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The community fear is being fueled by this very real,recent news item. I know that "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks". Stopping dog attacks is a huge issue and you can't fix it in one step but you can make a step to stop people keeping the wrong type of dog. If the 30 year old male didn't have the dog, the little girl would be alive today. I am against BSL in theory, but I think when dogs start killing kids it is crisis time. We can also make a step to stop the wrong kind of people having any dog. Frankly I think that would be far more effective, don't you? How do you do that? yes, clearly it would more effective, but who makes that call on the wrong or right person to own a dog ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I suggest watching this video, it gives me shivers and makes me want to cry everytime. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that video's bloody terrible. To anyone who knows and loves dogs, that video will give you shivers and you'll be impressed and amazed. To Joe Bloggs Public who don't understand dogs, that's in excess of three minutes of pitbulls grabbing and shaking things savagely, coupled with some pretty astounding jumps that make you think the dog could literally get up and over ANYTHING in order to grab and shake you - and oo, look there, there's the dog grabbing and shaking a bloke who's hitting him with a STICK, and all to the backdrop of a blaring heavy metal tune the main distinguishable lyric of which is 'Don't turn your back on me'. Yeah, um, don't think I'll be sharing that one in my keyboard warrior efforts to calm the hysteria and promote the breed... o_O I agree. It is bloody terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvawilow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 We can also make a step to stop the wrong kind of people having any dog. Frankly I think that would be far more effective, don't you? How do you do that? yes, clearly it would more effective, but who makes that call on the wrong or right person to own a dog ? To become a registered breeder now you have to do a Open book exam - maybe a similar test be introduced for potential dog buyers and additional, no open book, component for those wanting to purchase a more powerful breed of dog or dogs with a higher rate of incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How do you do that? yes, clearly it would more effective, but who makes that call on the wrong or right person to own a dog ? By licensing owners, by enforcing EXISTING registration and desexing laws and by educating people about how to buy and raise dogs. And by tossing the book hard at the head of anyone who fails to act responsibly as a dog owner. Starting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The community fear is being fueled by this very real,recent news item. I know that "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks". Stopping dog attacks is a huge issue and you can't fix it in one step but you can make a step to stop people keeping the wrong type of dog. If the 30 year old male didn't have the dog, the little girl would be alive today. I am against BSL in theory, but I think when dogs start killing kids it is crisis time. We can also make a step to stop the wrong kind of people having any dog. Frankly I think that would be far more effective, don't you? ha ha so funny. We'll agree to disagree I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I suggest watching this video, it gives me shivers and makes me want to cry everytime. Oh God that made me cringe. That video does the breed no favours with it's heavy metal, head banging music and proving just how powerful and tenacious bull breeds are. The small handful of clips showing Pits doing obedience are good but the rest I couldn't even finish it the bogan music was grinding in to my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 ha ha so funny. We'll agree to disagree I think. Why is it funny? If the research shows that its "bad" owners that create "bad" dogs, why in hell wouldn't you stop bad owners from having them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightonrock Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How do you do that? yes, clearly it would more effective, but who makes that call on the wrong or right person to own a dog ? By licensing owners, by enforcing EXISTING registration and desexing laws and by educating people about how to buy and raise dogs. And by tossing the book hard at the head of anyone who fails to act responsibly as a dog owner. Starting now. That will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How do you do that? yes, clearly it would more effective, but who makes that call on the wrong or right person to own a dog ? By licensing owners, by enforcing EXISTING registration and desexing laws and by educating people about how to buy and raise dogs. And by tossing the book hard at the head of anyone who fails to act responsibly as a dog owner. Starting now. The "wrong" sort of owners can study up and pass a test I agree with the enforcing EXISTING registration and desexing laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I suggest watching this video, it gives me shivers and makes me want to cry everytime. Oh God that made me cringe. That video does the breed no favours with it's heavy metal, head banging music and proving just how powerful and tenacious bull breeds are. The small handful of clips showing Pits doing obedience are good but the rest I couldn't even finish it the bogan music was grinding in to my brain. Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am against BSL in theory, but I think when dogs start killing kids it is crisis time. You said it. Unfortunately, ramping up the emotive dial a few notches does not transform an unsound premise into a sound one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Oh God that made me cringe. That video does the breed no favours with it's heavy metal, head banging music and proving just how powerful and tenacious bull breeds are. The small handful of clips showing Pits doing obedience are good but the rest I couldn't even finish it the bogan music was grinding in to my brain. I've maintained from year dot that some ABPT fanciers are the breeds worst enemies. They simply cannot seem to fathom that they are part of the breed's "reputation problems". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 That will never happen. Just like banning breeds and stopping dog attacks eh TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Oh God that made me cringe. That video does the breed no favours with it's heavy metal, head banging music and proving just how powerful and tenacious bull breeds are. The small handful of clips showing Pits doing obedience are good but the rest I couldn't even finish it the bogan music was grinding in to my brain. I've maintained from year dot that some ABPT fanciers are the breeds worst enemies. They simply cannot seem to fathom that they are part of the breed's "reputation problems". I agree with you 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I suggest watching this video, it gives me shivers and makes me want to cry everytime. Oh God that made me cringe. That video does the breed no favours with it's heavy metal, head banging music and proving just how powerful and tenacious bull breeds are. The small handful of clips showing Pits doing obedience are good but the rest I couldn't even finish it the bogan music was grinding in to my brain. Yep totally. Poodlefan has been saying for years that pitty owners should get their dogs the little poody outfit or spangly collars rather than the macho bullshit aggro studded collars that freak out the public but nup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it. The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers. Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp. Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it. But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially. But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes. I post this link from K9 pro's website, not to demonise labradors, but also to show the reasons why these type of things happen which I think is well and truly set out in the article: http://www.k9pro.com.au/pages/DJ-the-Black-Lab-vs.-Granny.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) Sorry, I just don't think the argument of its not a purebred Pit bull is helping your cause they are being identified as pitbull crosses, to the general public they look like pitbulls, they seem to have pitbull in them... yes, it is a mongrel, but that is not what the general public are hearing or seeing they are not seeing a labrador cross killing a child, they are seeing a pitbull cross doing that, It is about being factual. If it was a cross breed then it was not an APBT. Simple. So now to eradicate cross breeds? Dog attacks on a wide scale and preventing tragedies like this from happening again are not going to magically happen because APBT's get banned. Infact this little girls death would not have been prevented if this dog is infact a cross breed. We need to dig a little deeper and kind of get over the whole APBT argument for a minute and try to throw some other possible solutions into the mix. . Edited August 19, 2011 by corrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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