megan_ Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/enough-bullpit.-destroy-these-murderous-mutts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/enough-bullpit.-destroy-these-murderous-mutts/ As far as I can see they have linked to a different forum not here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCPuppy Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The reaction of the ignorant public is really worrying. Pitbulls are banned in Northern Ireland, and the council can come and seize your dog purely based on type - and the establishment of that type is arbitrary in the extreme. A case in point is pitbull mix Bruce, a dog who never did a day's wrong in his life, yet was seized from his family because the measurement of his head placed him in the pitbull category. He was kept in solitary confinement for years while supporters sought to have him freed. A rescue organisation that specialises in bull breeds finally won the day and Bruce was handed over to them. The highly experienced dog handler who runs that rescue assessed Bruce's temperament, and not only was he not a remotely vicious dog, but he showed surprisingly few affects from his years in solitary confinement, where he had been allowed become ill, wounds had been left to become infected and he was generally mistreated. Currently also imprisoned in Belfast is Lennox: http://ctechwebhosti...ordpress/?p=922 I'm terrified that this country will go in the same direction, and much loved, gentle and well cared for family pets will be seized arbitrarily in a kneejerk response to a tragedy that was apparently very little to do with breed, and everything to do with irresponsible dog ownership. Belfast Council should be reported for keeping an animal in those terrible conditions! They are disgracing the Irish nation with their inhumane treatment of an innocent animal. I agree it is a terrfifying prospect that the same could happen here a combination of lack of education and puplic hysteria and probable witchhunts could result in many innocent animals being siezed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/enough-bullpit.-destroy-these-murderous-mutts/ As far as I can see they have linked to a different forum not here? D'oh! I thought I recognized the user name as a doler though. Ignore me. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 But they are putting these attacks up, which are pretty serious and that is not helping 17 August 2011 A pit bull cross mauled a four-year-old girl to death and savaged attacked two of her relatives after it wandered into the youngster's family home in St Albans. 19 Feb 2011 A pit bull terrier was destroyed after biting a police officer's face on the New South Wales south coast town of Bomaderry. 13 Feb 2011 A young family was attacked by an American pit bull and an American Staffordshire Terrier in Hoppers Crossing, before a 23-year-old man was attacked by the same pair just a few doors down. 19 April 2010 A three-year-old girl was taken to hospital with serious injuries to her hip, abdomen and leg after being attacked playing in a neighbour's backyard in Taree, NSW. 23 March 2010 A 67-year-old grandmother had her arm savaged by her pit bull cross so badly it needed to be amputated. 23 Dec 2009 A 61-year-old man was attacked by two pit bulls in Albanvale, leading to six pit bull terriers being seized in Melbourne's west. 22 Oct 2009 A Torquay teenager was cut and bruised defending her Maltese Terrier from a pit bull-mastiff that set upon them on the beach. 18 Oct 2009 An American pit bull attacked a Reservoir man and the two dogs he was walking, savaging his hand, killing one dog and injuring the other. The pit bull was put down at the scene. 28 Dec 2007 A nine-week-old girl was dragged from her cot and mauled to death by a rottweiler in Pakenham. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/pitbull-owners-stood-back-and-watched-it-attack-ayen-chol-claim-family/story-e6frfkvr-1226117867049#ixzz1VQvR21zM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) PitBulls have a very bad reputation in society. Just imagine trying to sell your house and telling the prospective buyers that your next door neighbour has one or two Pitbulls. They are one of the most feared type of dog in modern society. Now a pitbull type has slaughtered a small child, someone's baby. What good is a having a dog that has to be confined for fear of it attacking an animal or human ? My opinion is this type of dog has no place in society. Do the dogs suffer because they have bad owners that don't know what to do ? Yes. Do we need these dogs ? No. TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp??? People like Mathew and others who dont have a fundamental understanding of dogs dont realise how easy it is to make a maneater.They can remove all pitbulls tomorrow and using dogs that are already here and legal you can breed another type of dog in a very short space of time.One that is more human aggressive ,larger and more dangerous.It is not that hard and not that hard to turn them nasty.Armed with that knowledge which end of the leash should you target? If a meth head can make a batch of meth under his kitchen sink with limited knowledge and basic ingredients it proves you dont need to be a chemist.Dog breeding is the same its not rocket science. Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. I was under the impression the dog in question was a dog of mixed breeding. Matthew_B, you arn't per chance a HeraldSun journo, are you? Edited August 19, 2011 by corrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) PitBulls have a very bad reputation in society. Just imagine trying to sell your house and telling the prospective buyers that your next door neighbour has one or two Pitbulls. They are one of the most feared type of dog in modern society. Now a pitbull type has slaughtered a small child, someone's baby. What good is a having a dog that has to be confined for fear of it attacking an animal or human ? My opinion is this type of dog has no place in society. Do the dogs suffer because they have bad owners that don't know what to do ? Yes. Do we need these dogs ? No. TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp??? People like Mathew and others who dont have a fundamental understanding of dogs dont realise how easy it is to make a maneater.They can remove all pitbulls tomorrow and using dogs that are already here and legal you can breed another type of dog in a very short space of time.One that is more human aggressive ,larger and more dangerous.It is not that hard and not that hard to turn them nasty.Armed with that knowledge which end of the leash should you target? If a meth head can make a batch of meth under his kitchen sink with limited knowledge and basic ingredients it proves you dont need to be a chemist.Dog breeding is the same its not rocket science. Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. Astounding mate.What do serivce dogs have to do with the argument.You just keep digging yourself a hole. It is a waste of time trying to educate you mate as you think you know everything and keep spouting off about things you know nothing about.You know there is a saying."It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool,than open it and remove all doubt" Take note Edited August 19, 2011 by bulldogz4eva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch....urderous-mutts/ That has got to be the worst and appalling piece of hysteria writing I've seen In a long time, what hope Is there when this Is what people are going to be following and believing, just look at the stock photo for starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/enough-bullpit.-destroy-these-murderous-mutts/ Nup cant see it. I scrolled through but cant find a link to dogzonline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 But they are putting these attacks up, which are pretty serious and that is not helping Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/pitbull-owners-stood-back-and-watched-it-attack-ayen-chol-claim-family/story-e6frfkvr-1226117867049#ixzz1VQvR21zM But how many were actually confirmed as PBs? S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 PitBulls have a very bad reputation in society. Just imagine trying to sell your house and telling the prospective buyers that your next door neighbour has one or two Pitbulls. They are one of the most feared type of dog in modern society. Now a pitbull type has slaughtered a small child, someone's baby. What good is a having a dog that has to be confined for fear of it attacking an animal or human ? My opinion is this type of dog has no place in society. Do the dogs suffer because they have bad owners that don't know what to do ? Yes. Do we need these dogs ? No. TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp??? People like Mathew and others who dont have a fundamental understanding of dogs dont realise how easy it is to make a maneater.They can remove all pitbulls tomorrow and using dogs that are already here and legal you can breed another type of dog in a very short space of time.One that is more human aggressive ,larger and more dangerous.It is not that hard and not that hard to turn them nasty.Armed with that knowledge which end of the leash should you target? If a meth head can make a batch of meth under his kitchen sink with limited knowledge and basic ingredients it proves you dont need to be a chemist.Dog breeding is the same its not rocket science. Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. Astounding mate.What do serivce dogs have to do with the argument.You just keep digging yourself a hole. It is a waste of time trying to educate you mate as you think you know everything and keep spouting off about things you know nothing about.You know there is a saying."It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool,than open it and remove all doubt" Take note Troll alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am astonished that so many of you continue to defend such a vicious, dangerous breed of dog. This is a breed that has been bred for one purpose only - to fight. There is no need for a fighting dog in modern society. Yes, other dogs can snap, but the statistics are stark. Even though pitbull breeds are vastly outnumbered in comparison to other dog breeds in our homes (more people have GR's or Lab's than a pitbull breed as family pet), they are by far the most prolific breed involved in deaths and maimings. It's got absolutely nothing at all to do with how the dog is raised or how it is treated. It's the dogs' primitive instinct to fight. Sure, some may be placid and never snap. But in my opinion, it's a risk that is not worth taking. That little girl died a terrifying, truly horrific and painful death right in front of her mother because someone wanted to have a fighting dog as their pet. There can be no excuses for the owner. This tragedy was completely preventable - if the owner of that dog had a non-fighting breed of dog, the chances are very slim to nil that this attack would have occurred. As far as I am concerned, in the eyes of the law a person who owns a fighting dog that kills or maims should be treated in the same category as owning a gun. It's time for tough penalties for owners of these dogs. A strong deterrent is required to stop people from breeding or buying these horrible dogs. The sooner they are extinct, the better off we'll all be. Where do you get your info Matthew?Obviously the nightly news and the internet.Where do you come to the conclusion that pitbulls are involved in more deaths than any other breed?Like I said before no Purebred American Pitbull Terrier has been involved in a fatality in this country to date so dont worry what happens in the US. Your ignorance is astounding and the fact that you still think how a dog is raised has nothing to do with it shows you do not understand dogs or the basics of ownership and therefore I dont think you should own a dog at all.You keep saying fighting dog,the dog was a crossbreed it was not an American pitbull Terrier you and the media conveniently keep overlooking that fact. I agree with the dogs being restricted.I agree with tougher penalties for owners whose dogs attack but I have had that opinion for a long time and have written submissions to the DLG stating such.The problem is they took the easiest and least effective and cheapest way out.Like I have said before a million times they will not eradicate pitbulls from the Australian landscape.We are a decade on from BSL and what has changed?If you cant stop it then control it and remove the breed specific part and make owners responsible.For a start councils should inspect premises where dogs are to be kept and if they will be properly contained if not no licence issued and you have 28 days to provide containment and comply or you forfeit dogs or move from that area. I'll refer you to a previous post... Pitbull (all types) attacks: 1,392 Pitbull (all types) deaths: 137 Pitbull (all types) maimings: 734 http://www.scribd.com/doc/11249213/Dog-Attack-Deaths-Maimings-US-Canada-September-1982-to-January-2008 Maybe you need to read what is written.Those statistics are from the US and Canada over a 26 year period and have no bearing on this country.No Ameeican Pitbull Terrier has been responsible for a single fatality in this country to date in about a 30 year period over the same time period.Why do you think this is genius? What part of that dont you understand. Um, I never said it was an APBT. I said pitbulls as a breed. How many dog-related deaths over the past decade in Australia haven't involved a breed of pitbull? Very, very few. They are fighting dogs and have no use for anything other than to fight or to make some moron feel big and tough when he's walking the stupid thing. There is no such thing as a pitbull.It is either an American Pitbull Terrier or it is not.Pitbull is not a breed it is a generic type and commonly used and misunderstood term.If you cant understand that much it displays your ignorance and proves your are just another media sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am astonished that so many of you continue to defend such a vicious, dangerous breed of dog. This is a breed that has been bred for one purpose only - to fight. There is no need for a fighting dog in modern society. Yes, other dogs can snap, but the statistics are stark. Even though pitbull breeds are vastly outnumbered in comparison to other dog breeds in our homes (more people have GR's or Lab's than a pitbull breed as family pet), they are by far the most prolific breed involved in deaths and maimings. It's got absolutely nothing at all to do with how the dog is raised or how it is treated. It's the dogs' primitive instinct to fight. Sure, some may be placid and never snap. But in my opinion, it's a risk that is not worth taking. That little girl died a terrifying, truly horrific and painful death right in front of her mother because someone wanted to have a fighting dog as their pet. There can be no excuses for the owner. This tragedy was completely preventable - if the owner of that dog had a non-fighting breed of dog, the chances are very slim to nil that this attack would have occurred. As far as I am concerned, in the eyes of the law a person who owns a fighting dog that kills or maims should be treated in the same category as owning a gun. It's time for tough penalties for owners of these dogs. A strong deterrent is required to stop people from breeding or buying these horrible dogs. The sooner they are extinct, the better off we'll all be. Where do you get your info Matthew?Obviously the nightly news and the internet.Where do you come to the conclusion that pitbulls are involved in more deaths than any other breed?Like I said before no Purebred American Pitbull Terrier has been involved in a fatality in this country to date so dont worry what happens in the US. Your ignorance is astounding and the fact that you still think how a dog is raised has nothing to do with it shows you do not understand dogs or the basics of ownership and therefore I dont think you should own a dog at all.You keep saying fighting dog,the dog was a crossbreed it was not an American pitbull Terrier you and the media conveniently keep overlooking that fact. I agree with the dogs being restricted.I agree with tougher penalties for owners whose dogs attack but I have had that opinion for a long time and have written submissions to the DLG stating such.The problem is they took the easiest and least effective and cheapest way out.Like I have said before a million times they will not eradicate pitbulls from the Australian landscape.We are a decade on from BSL and what has changed?If you cant stop it then control it and remove the breed specific part and make owners responsible.For a start councils should inspect premises where dogs are to be kept and if they will be properly contained if not no licence issued and you have 28 days to provide containment and comply or you forfeit dogs or move from that area. I'll refer you to a previous post... Pitbull (all types) attacks: 1,392 Pitbull (all types) deaths: 137 Pitbull (all types) maimings: 734 http://www.scribd.com/doc/11249213/Dog-Attack-Deaths-Maimings-US-Canada-September-1982-to-January-2008 Maybe you need to read what is written.Those statistics are from the US and Canada over a 26 year period and have no bearing on this country.No Ameeican Pitbull Terrier has been responsible for a single fatality in this country to date in about a 30 year period over the same time period.Why do you think this is genius? What part of that dont you understand. Um, I never said it was an APBT. I said pitbulls as a breed. How many dog-related deaths over the past decade in Australia haven't involved a breed of pitbull? Very, very few. They are fighting dogs and have no use for anything other than to fight or to make some moron feel big and tough when he's walking the stupid thing. I believe none of the dog related deaths in Australia over the last 10 years involved a PB including the case in question. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it. The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers. Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp. Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it. But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially. But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes. Edited August 19, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvawilow Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what. I was under the impression the dog in question was a dog of mixed breeding. Same here! Initally it was reported as a PB but then it turned into a xbred. I don't think Matthew B can lie straight in bed or get their story straight - seems to keep changing to suit their style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I think you can further than the last 10 yrs Sticky ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Sorry, I just don't think the argument of its not a purebred Pit bull is helping your cause they are being identified as pitbull crosses, to the general public they look like pitbulls, they seem to have pitbull in them... yes, it is a mongrel, but that is not what the general public are hearing or seeing they are not seeing a labrador cross killing a child, they are seeing a pitbull cross doing that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Unreal video. 1982 to 2008 ? This is in a country with a population of over 300 million, an innumerable number of APBT's, and those statistics, like the Australian one, probably only include a fraction of genuine APBT's. Let us recall a few other "periphery" details too 1. Both professional and amateur dog fighting is endemic in the USA - not so here. 2. Australia's social challenges are kindergarten compared to the USA. We have practically no gangs, a minimum number of street toughs, etc. Of course most of them prefer dogs with the biggest rep, this includes, perhaps primarily, the APBT or at least dogs that resembles APBT's, that are commonly conditioned to be savage. These are fundamental factors in this discussion. I ask that people are a little bit sensible in their estimations. It seems that most people (about 90%, according to a recent news poll) who are apparently concerned about dog attacks are not willing to look at the problem critically. People are stifling their own cause and do not realize they are part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Sorry, I just don't think the argument of its not a purebred Pit bull is helping your cause they are being identified as pitbull crosses, to the general public they look like pitbulls, they seem to have pitbull in them... yes, it is a mongrel, but that is not what the general public are hearing or seeing they are not seeing a labrador cross killing a child, they are seeing a pitbull cross doing that, Labradors have been involved in some quite serious incidents in recent years. When a dog of that breeding is involved, its written off as an aberation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maybe my wording was a bit strong, but people who aren't normally DOL people would be reading these threads: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/enough-bullpit.-destroy-these-murderous-mutts/ Nup cant see it. I scrolled through but cant find a link to dogzonline. Not a link to dogs but to another forum which seems to have a lot of members in common with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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