aidannorris Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Hi Guys I have a 1 year old Kelpie pup that wee's herself or drips urine after i have taken her for a run or given her some hard exercise. I have taken her to the vet a number of times over this to try to get a urine sample from her, after about the 4th time we decided that we had to keep her in for a day to syringe a sample straight from her bladder. We did, and it came back with nothing unusual. the vet gave us Propalin to use to try to strengthen the sphincter at the bottom of her bladder and it seemed to work for her. My problem is, I have laid new turf in the last 2 months and her urine since being on the propalin kills the grass to the roots and the vet said that we would have to give the dog the medicine twice a day for the rest of her life. As the dog is only 12 months old, we are looking for an alternative. has anyone heard of this before? cheers Aidan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Is she desexed? If so, when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidannorris Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 Is she desexed? If so, when? ahh sorry i forgot to mention that, she is desexed. she was desexed at 5 months but it happened before she had the surgery. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty Miss Emma Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I had a dog who was on propalin for quite some time, it was the best thing for the incontinence. Never had any problem with it affecting the grass though, sounds a bit odd. You could look in to trying stilboestrol instead. It is a tablet and if I remember correctly wad taken twice a week. Although for us it wasn't nearly as good as the propalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 take a soil sample and have it pH tested. A little lime might be in order as a lot of the turfs and their underlay substrates can be already a little on the acidic side. I have people come into work with a similar problem, its the turf that is sensitive not the dogs urine. New turf takes a few months at least to become more resilient. Scratch out the dying turf to allow the new grass to cover, add a little lime and keep it well watered to help dispell the urine. It will look fine in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) Dog Rocks http://www.dogrocks.org/ if you do buy some make sure that it is the Dog Rocks brand, the others don't last as long. Edited December 19, 2011 by Boronia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toshman Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I had a dog who was on propalin for quite some time, it was the best thing for the incontinence. Never had any problem with it affecting the grass though, sounds a bit odd. You could look in to trying stilboestrol instead. It is a tablet and if I remember correctly wad taken twice a week. Although for us it wasn't nearly as good as the propalin. I've got a couple of bitches who have suffered from spay incontinence for quite a few years now, and have been on and off propalin for some time. Bitch A (Border Terrier) I've taken off it now - for probably about 8 months, mainly because it makes her very edgy and nervy all the time, and since I stopped giving it to her I have only seen her 'leak' just a couple of times since then. Bitch B (cattledog X) is getting on in years now - she had also been off it since early this year, but was beginning to leak more and more, so I've put her back onto it (she appears to suffer no ill-effects while on it), and it's solved the problem. My vet suggested I get them both settled on it, then try reducing the dose to a 'holding' level - which I did, and I can keep them both on barely half the recommended dose now, so maybe you could try that once your dog is settled. Then just keep an eye on things, and even try withholding it for a while later on to see if has solved the problem....I certainly wasn't happy to think my girls were going to have to be on it for the rest of their lives. Never had any problem with the grass dying though! Maybe if you can reduce the dose rate at some stage, that might help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodbyne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 My bitch was incontinent as well 2 months on propalin and shes been off for 2 months my vet said keep an eye on her and put her on again if needed this will probably continue her whole life just another thing to add to her long list of health issues.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What is the name of the tablets that help control incontinence? Might be worth trying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Stilboestrol and Incurin (newer) are the tablets, however both are hormone derived medication where as the Propalin is not. Propalin is much more preferable to the tablets for such a young dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidannorris Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Has anyone looked into surgical options for incontenent dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 it depends what the problem is. I can tell you putting a dog through huge microsurgery (if it can be done at all as it's usually a muscle toning issue regulated by hormones that is the issue) for the sake of your turf is the wrong way round. My friend has her early spayed dog on hormone tablets, the dog is only 18 months old, and will be for the rest of her life. Like I said, new turf is shocking in regards to its resilience to any sort of pH change. If its that big an issue keep the dog off the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidannorris Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 it depends what the problem is. I can tell you putting a dog through huge microsurgery (if it can be done at all as it's usually a muscle toning issue regulated by hormones that is the issue) for the sake of your turf is the wrong way round. My friend has her early spayed dog on hormone tablets, the dog is only 18 months old, and will be for the rest of her life. Like I said, new turf is shocking in regards to its resilience to any sort of pH change. If its that big an issue keep the dog off the grass. Hi Nikhbet i think that there is a mix up in my questions or reasons, i wouldnt put my dogs through surgery for my grass dying, the reason that I ask about the surgery is that my pup is just one year old and everytime we take her running or she does any exercise, she drips or leaves pools of urine on the deck and as she is normally lying down when she does 'leak', she ends up with urine all over her hind quaters. As for the grass dying, i was asking if anyone knew of an alternate drug to propalin. i hope that clears it up a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJB Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 You could try an implant called Superlorin which worked wonders for my dog with the first implant, but not so much with the second implant. We went an entire year with no dribbles at all. When it was time to put the second implant in, we had a little leaking again. We have had the implant in for this last year and have topped her up with a small dose of propalin to stop her leaking. It is cost effective, and I think I will still put another one in our dog when she is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 its something you need to ask a specialist if it can be done although for hormonal based incontinence I have not heard a better option then life long tablets. Once you find the maintenance dose though it's not that bad. A packet of unscented baby wipes in your pocket while you're out can help to prevent staining or skin irritation. It's another reason that gets my goat when vets push early desexing on people. None of them mention the risk of spey incontinence and other lifelong problems to owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidannorris Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 You could try an implant called Superlorin which worked wonders for my dog with the first implant, but not so much with the second implant. We went an entire year with no dribbles at all. When it was time to put the second implant in, we had a little leaking again. We have had the implant in for this last year and have topped her up with a small dose of propalin to stop her leaking. It is cost effective, and I think I will still put another one in our dog when she is due. Hi VJB how long does each implant last? and how much does it cost? It's another reason that gets my goat when vets push early desexing on people. None of them mention the risk of spey incontinence and other lifelong problems to owners. my pup was leaking before she was desexed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Has anyone looked into surgical options for incontenent dogs? Some time ago I was told by Vet specialist Charles Kuntz this surgery had a high failure rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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