chuckandsteve Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I don't know if many people here use Knox dog park but currently there is a sign saying the park is closed until October. There has been no update to this sign but apparently the council is now handing out fines for using the area as it is closed still. They are also handing out fines if your dog does not have 100% recall so can add up too over $300 in fines very quickly. Edited November 18, 2012 by chuckandsteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Which council is this? Fines for nit having recall - my dream of heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckandsteve Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Knox apparently, I think in a fenced dog park not having 100% recall fines are a bit harsh. Its next to the obediance club, and I take my dog in there to work on his recall, plus people take their puppies for socialisation. It was a puppy I heard someone was fined for. I know not everyone on here likes dog parks but I have only ever seen one dog who was a bit over the top in there, no fights, so its not like there is a huge problem with crazy dogs there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 We all have different perspectives, but the law says you need to have voice control over your dog. I trained mine on a long leash, in a non-stimulating environment first. If your dog learns that he can ignore you and continue to have fun playing with other dogs, then you are "untraining" your recall and making it much harder to teach him. Personally, regardless of what the law says, recall is as important in a fenced park as an unfenced one. Why? Because in the event of issues, a dog doesn't have as much space to get away, increasing the risk of a fight. Also, people are more inclined to take their "not so good with recall" dogs to a fenced park than an unfenced one, leading to more uncontrolled situations. It is the very reason that I avoid fenced parks. I take my dog to unfenced parks and he has a great recall so I minimise risk. OT a bit but it is a bit of a myth that fights are started by "crazy dogs" or aggressive dogs. Fights can get started by two social, lovely dogs because one dog plays a bit too full on with another and doesn't read the other dog's body language well. I saw this with two dogs that I know well who are great dogs - a lab and a mutt. They played together well and the lab got a bit excited. Mutt gave a warning growl (perfectly acceptable way of saying "back off", often misread as aggression). Lab didn't listen and carried on body-slamming mutt. Mutt tried to disengage. Lab didn't listen. Mutt attacked lab. The mutt is a great dog who isn't aggressive. However, he may well now have DA tendencies because he has learnt that warning another dog doesn't always work. Luckily he wasn't PTS. The whole thing could have been avoided if the owners understood what their dogs were telling them (lab: I wanna play no matter what, mutt: I need space now) and the dogs had good recall. I have seen dogs harassed and treated like prey items while owners sit around and chat. As long as there isn't an actual fight they think everything is okay - and it isn't. These things happen in off leash areas every day. They don't always result in fights but dogs do learn bad habits (react, think later) because of them. If people knew their dogs and their dogs had 100% recalls, there would be more happy, stable dogs around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We all have different perspectives, but the law says you need to have voice control over your dog. I trained mine on a long leash, in a non-stimulating environment first. If your dog learns that he can ignore you and continue to have fun playing with other dogs, then you are "untraining" your recall and making it much harder to teach him. Personally, regardless of what the law says, recall is as important in a fenced park as an unfenced one. Why? Because in the event of issues, a dog doesn't have as much space to get away, increasing the risk of a fight. Also, people are more inclined to take their "not so good with recall" dogs to a fenced park than an unfenced one, leading to more uncontrolled situations. It is the very reason that I avoid fenced parks. I take my dog to unfenced parks and he has a great recall so I minimise risk. OT a bit but it is a bit of a myth that fights are started by "crazy dogs" or aggressive dogs. Fights can get started by two social, lovely dogs because one dog plays a bit too full on with another and doesn't read the other dog's body language well. I saw this with two dogs that I know well who are great dogs - a lab and a mutt. They played together well and the lab got a bit excited. Mutt gave a warning growl (perfectly acceptable way of saying "back off", often misread as aggression). Lab didn't listen and carried on body-slamming mutt. Mutt tried to disengage. Lab didn't listen. Mutt attacked lab. The mutt is a great dog who isn't aggressive. However, he may well now have DA tendencies because he has learnt that warning another dog doesn't always work. Luckily he wasn't PTS. The whole thing could have been avoided if the owners understood what their dogs were telling them (lab: I wanna play no matter what, mutt: I need space now) and the dogs had good recall. I have seen dogs harassed and treated like prey items while owners sit around and chat. As long as there isn't an actual fight they think everything is okay - and it isn't. These things happen in off leash areas every day. They don't always result in fights but dogs do learn bad habits (react, think later) because of them. If people knew their dogs and their dogs had 100% recalls, there would be more happy, stable dogs around. Just wanted to say .... good post, megan_ ... and a great example of the kind of thing that can escalate between two otherwise happy and friendly and sociable dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't have access to dog parks as I live out of town & I am not too keen on letting my dogs run on a beach where there are other dogs running off lead either...but I have often thought about this idea. Wouldn't it be good, if someone could set up a dog park, well fenced, & maybe some fun things to do in there as well, & then charge people a fee for the sole use of the park for a set time. Two or more people who want to run their dogs together could share the park or whatever. Not sure how one would go about collecting the fee or policing it...but it is something I have often had in the back of my mind, which might work in high populated areas, where people want a bit of space to run or train their dogs without being hassled by others. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Great post Megan totally agree .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arcane Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't have access to dog parks as I live out of town & I am not too keen on letting my dogs run on a beach where there are other dogs running off lead either...but I have often thought about this idea. Wouldn't it be good, if someone could set up a dog park, well fenced, & maybe some fun things to do in there as well, & then charge people a fee for the sole use of the park for a set time. Two or more people who want to run their dogs together could share the park or whatever. Not sure how one would go about collecting the fee or policing it...but it is something I have often had in the back of my mind, which might work in high populated areas, where people want a bit of space to run or train their dogs without being hassled by others. :) In the US there are private dog parks where you buy membership and get an access pass and they are staffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty Miss Emma Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't have access to dog parks as I live out of town & I am not too keen on letting my dogs run on a beach where there are other dogs running off lead either...but I have often thought about this idea. Wouldn't it be good, if someone could set up a dog park, well fenced, & maybe some fun things to do in there as well, & then charge people a fee for the sole use of the park for a set time. Two or more people who want to run their dogs together could share the park or whatever. Not sure how one would go about collecting the fee or policing it...but it is something I have often had in the back of my mind, which might work in high populated areas, where people want a bit of space to run or train their dogs without being hassled by others. :) Here in Melbourne we have Kepala, which is essentially what you describe above! I'm always cautious about letting my dogs off-leash, so while I live near Kepala I try to get out there every so often as I have no hesitation about using any of their facilities as it boked for your own sole use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 PME I can't tell you how jealous I am of you being near enough to Kepala to go often. It's a brilliant set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Poor sighthound owners, they're going to be severely out of pocket :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Poor sighthound owners, they're going to be severely out of pocket :laugh: Sighthounds can be trained to recall. You just have to make it worth their while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murve Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Poor sighthound owners, they're going to be severely out of pocket :laugh: Sighthounds can be trained to recall. You just have to make it worth their while. I can definately give on recalls for a sighthound :laugh: I can call my boy 400mtrs away, low & behold anything/anyone in his way, they would get bowld over on a recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I was obviously making a joke, :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) I was obviously making a joke, :) Got that - it was that you perpetrated a pretty common myth to do it that I took issue with. Edited November 19, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I was obviously making a joke, :) Perhaps not as obviously as you thought. :) I must work on my keyboard comedy :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeebie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 In the US there are private dog parks where you buy membership and get an access pass and they are staffed Brilliant - quick let me win lotto so I can get my business started :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeebie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Recall = 'chicken necks' just called out as if I am calling their names and I have 2 dogs at break neck speed leaving anything and anyone to get to me. Started by giving the actual item (actually only little bits of chicken), then progressed to radom wing tips, and boy did this do the trick, brilliant recall Now However in saying that I can also get my older very experienced obedience dog to do a sit, stay, controlled recall under all sorts of distraction even passing CAT :laugh: puppy gal we are still working on the nice sit/stay/very close recall manners. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Wish I had my farm closer to town...I would love to have a go at setting up a private dog park. Probably a bit to old to start anything new...maybe in my next life :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyBlue Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 To the best of my knowledge ChuckandSteve the dog park is still closed. The gate was padlocked and someone keeps cutting the chain. The council will fine for not having effective control - you have to encounter a pretty nasty ranger to accept nothing by 100% recall. My dogs both have a really really good recall, but it is not 100% - thats simply not realistic. I suspect that the person who told you said it with a bit of a bias towards their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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