Sabbath Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 How is being rude helping anyone, Sabbath? People always complain newbies are lynched, here people are doing the opposite and someone is complaining. Can't win. I know and I agree. I am one of those that has complained in the past about the rudeness of some people and the descent into arguments that occur here. I guess I'm just at my limit of tolerance for bull breed owners that make us look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) I couldn't see the pictures on my computer.A few months back i met a guy walking his young Amstaff who was quite tall and slender almost Boxer like in the body. He said he was pure bred but didn't get the chance to ask about his breeder as i was too busy getting pats and smooches from this gorgeous friendly pup. I Purdie, I came across exactly the same kind of youngish (wasn't yet 3 yrs) Amstaff. Same description... had a tallish, more slender look. That, with his gorgeous colouring, made him one of the handsomest dogs I've seen recently. I had to ask the owner his breed.... because I didn't instantly pick Amstaff at all. He said he was a purebred. Apart from the amazing good looks... this Amstaff also had a beautiful nature & was so well trained and managed. Edited July 12, 2013 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 These owners and 'breeders' are why the public opinion of bull breeds is so poor. Chris001 not a breeder. If they stick around,they might learn breeding is not something they want to do. Or if they do,thats its worth doing right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 These owners and 'breeders' are why the public opinion of bull breeds is so poor. Chris001 not a breeder. If they stick around,they might learn breeding is not something they want to do. Or if they do,thats its worth doing right. That's why I included 'owners' in that sentence. You're right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Is the original breeder willing to take her back? Your chances should be good if she is papered but then again, you did say one of the parents was blue, so might not actually be an ethical breeder, registered or no BlackJaq I'm pretty sure there is no issue with blue Amstaffs, just blue Staffords. Maybe an Amstaff person could clarify as I'm not 100% on that. Chris001, I would be very wary of keeping her. From what you say she is already showing some behavioural problems. Devote your time and energy to the first pup, and see if you can return her to the breeder or place her in rescue. Devote the time and energy to your boy and I'm sure you'll be rewarded ten fold :) Edited July 12, 2013 by raineth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakkjackal Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Is the original breeder willing to take her back? Your chances should be good if she is papered but then again, you did say one of the parents was blue, so might not actually be an ethical breeder, registered or no BlackJaq I'm pretty sure there is no issue with blue Amstaffs, just blue Staffords. Maybe an Amstaff person could clarify as I'm not 100% on that. Chris001, I would be very wary of keeping her. From what you say she is already showing some behavioural problems. Devote your time and energy to the first pup, and see if you can return her to the breeder or place her in rescue. Devote the time and energy to your boy and I'm sure you'll be rewarded ten fold :) Everyone is breeding their blue amstaffs because the colour sells and a pup with "blue bloodlines" is something everyone wants. I'ts disgusting how a colour gets glorified like that. I'm never ever getting another blue bull type dog, I've had enough of the ill breeding practices and $$ involved. Unfortunately to me both sound like byb pups as from what I could see both had one red nosed parent?? If this isn't the case, contact the breeder of your girl asap. I'm certain they would love to hear about this situation directly from you before you make any decisions. Edited July 12, 2013 by Hockz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I got her off a guy that braught her off the breeder, I have been speaking to the breeder to get some back ground and info etc apparently she had papers but the guy I got her off lost them thats why he sold her cheap. I really want to keep her just have to have a long think about it before I make my dission this time, none of my family are willing to take her in due to working around the clock and wont have the time she needs, my cousin offered to buy her off me but he's never owned a dog and does'nt have a clue how to train and attend to their needs so thats a NO... And with the training I was thinking one on one at each time but I know once they're together that goes down the drain. I love dogs and most other animals maybe I should go work at a shelter instead of bringing in every dog I see lol. I use to breed birds of lots of types but got board with that now I've got more dogs, not sure if I want to breed not all that keen to, thinking of desexing but seems cruel, guess it stops unwanted litters though and more dogs ending up on death row. Stuck and would be greatfull for any advice if I was to keep both. Just to clarify, was this meant to maybe be a breeding pair? If you keep her in the family/friends is it still an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Hope you are still with us Chris. Re desexing, I wouldn't want to desex a baby either,but I don't think desexing is cruel. If you don't want to desex when shes older,it will be even more important that you have a way to keep her securely separated when you don't want them together. She could possibly come into season as early as 6 months. Way too young for a litter and why the vets try to get you booked in by then. The signs are easily missed if you are not very used to what they are. The signs aren't the same in all dogs and some barely give it away even when you do know what to watch for.Others can go nuts and will do anything to get to a male. Drives you and your neighbours nuts too! Its your choice,but desexing makes managing them SO much easier. If you want to breed,do a whole lot more research 1st.Its best if you can talk to the people who bred your dogs and see their parents. Make sure they are both healthy and have no health issues,or temperament problems that may pass down into what you breed.If theres some thing not perfect or you don't like,theres just as much chance that will carry as not.More chance if any relations have the same fault. Its what makes pedigree papers so useful because you can trace the blood lines to look for these things,and give you the chance to choose dogs for breeding that will give the best results. People who buy the pups,you can tell them what they should expect. Helps to find the most suitable homes where the pups can get what they need. Owners have a chance to make sure they can provide that. To me, your problems finding a suitable home for your girl are a very good reason NOT to breed. Imagine trying to find good homes for 8 or 9 pups! My sons girl had a litter of 18. A home is not the same as a good home,just take a look at the urgent rescue pages on this forum to see what I mean.It would break the heart of any breeder to have a pup you bred in that situation. As for managing if you keep both,thats hard. I can't give any advise except to be prepared for mayhem. I've kept 2 pups at once and would only do it again if I had to. You won't get the best from either of of your pups they can give. You can make it work, but its such hard work! Will the end result be worth it? Edited July 13, 2013 by moosmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john26980 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I got her off a guy that braught her off the breeder, I have been speaking to the breeder to get some back ground and info etc apparently she had papers but the guy I got her off lost them thats why he sold her cheap. I really want to keep her just have to have a long think about it before I make my dission this time, none of my family are willing to take her in due to working around the clock and wont have the time she needs, my cousin offered to buy her off me but he's never owned a dog and does'nt have a clue how to train and attend to their needs so thats a NO... And with the training I was thinking one on one at each time but I know once they're together that goes down the drain. I love dogs and most other animals maybe I should go work at a shelter instead of bringing in every dog I see lol. I use to breed birds of lots of types but got board with that now I've got more dogs, not sure if I want to breed not all that keen to, thinking of desexing but seems cruel, guess it stops unwanted litters though and more dogs ending up on death row. Stuck and would be greatfull for any advice if I was to keep both. Just to clarify, was this meant to maybe be a breeding pair? If you keep her in the family/friends is it still an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john26980 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 These look like amstaff cross pitbulls to me . really another disaster waiting to happen and ruin it all for us responsible amstaff owners that went to a registered and ethical breeder , got papers ,desexed , socialized and trained our dogs to be great examples of a breed which is being disrespected and ruined by the uneducated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 .... responsible amstaff owners that went to a registered and ethical breeder , got papers ,desexed , socialized and trained our dogs to be great examples of a breed which is being disrespected and ruined by the uneducated . So well & neatly said ... & would apply generally across the breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Yep, so surely education is the answer? Edited July 13, 2013 by moosmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakkjackal Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 These look like amstaff cross pitbulls to me . really another disaster waiting to happen and ruin it all for us responsible amstaff owners that went to a registered and ethical breeder , got papers ,desexed , socialized and trained our dogs to be great examples of a breed which is being disrespected and ruined by the uneducated . I have to disagree with this. There is absolutely no way of guessing a dog's breed/cross based on just pictures with no info of pedigree, especially if you are trying to determine whether or not there is pitbull in the mix. This is what people supporting BSL are doing, judging dogs based on their looks. Please let's not let ourselves revert into that kind of thinking. I agree with the rest of your comment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Yep, so surely education is the answer? A big 'Yes'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john26980 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 These look like amstaff cross pitbulls to me . really another disaster waiting to happen and ruin it all for us responsible amstaff owners that went to a registered and ethical breeder , got papers ,desexed , socialized and trained our dogs to be great examples of a breed which is being disrespected and ruined by the uneducated . I have to disagree with this. There is absolutely no way of guessing a dog's breed/cross based on just pictures with no info of pedigree, especially if you are trying to determine whether or not there is pitbull in the mix. This is what people supporting BSL are doing, judging dogs based on their looks. Please let's not let ourselves revert into that kind of thinking. I agree with the rest of your comment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john26980 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Fair call , I guess I feel that the majority of these cases have byb bred dogs or dogs purchased from unethical breeders selling to any one just for a quick buck involved and unfortunately it's these cases that make the news and cause irreparable damage I'm sure you would agree that amstaffs are not for everyone and if mismanaged have the potential to be a handful. Why is it so easy for just anyone to exploit such a great breed makes me angry , could licensing be an option ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris001 Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 I'm planning on de-sexing Sarge now after I've read the benifits of it. What make's you think I'm not a responsible owner? Is it the fact I got another pup without thinking it over first or didn't buy a dog with pedigree for these money hungry breeders? $1500 for a pup with pedigrees. I dont care if he's cross pitty or not they were once the same breed, I'd take in any dog mixed or not papers or no papers. I have a good dog thats good with my family and thats all that matters to me. Didn't come on here to be judged, I cane here to get advice and any help I can get. Not weither my animals have papers and reading this in trouble in tye making and so on do what you do and I'lk do what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris001 Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 Ive owned 2 other staffies in the past and they became very loyal and loving pets, never had any issues with my last two which were both males and we'll trained and human and pet friendly. Bullet was a american/english staffy and Bandit was a pure english staffy with "papers". I am a responsiable owner just made a bad dission of bringing in another pup without thinking clear and not being ready for it. Sarge is fully vacinated heart wormed, wormed and registered, I've done everything right there. He has lately been interacting with people and other animals daily where ever we go and is being trained everyday by myself and partner. With the new pup, she is now with a family member of mine so problem solved. I dont get all the anger on this thread and what I'm doing wrong or what I have done wrong. I think I'm doing everything right and have shown responsiablity by keeping my dog in good health and socialising him so what's the problem exactly????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 chris, I hope you stick around, it's pity DOL baggage from past threads got brought into yours thread. You're asking questions, getting good advice and taking it on board and trying to figure out what's best for the dogs so I agree with you, there shouldn't be a problem. DOL can be a bit tricky until you get used to it, many passionate people and of course limited info about each other available just based on what we say here so sometimes it gets heated. There really is so much great info and advice here though so try to ignore the personal comments and keep doing what you've been doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Money hungry breeders? You bought from a BYB. That's the money hungry breeder. Edited July 13, 2013 by Sabbath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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