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4CYTE Osteoarthritis in Dogs

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mita   

Has anyone used, or know someone who's used, 4CYTE for osteoarthritis in dogs?  It's an Australian-New Zealand (?) product which claims it has clinical trials behind it.  Also used for horses and cats.

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bianca.a   

I use it for my nearly 9 year old female GSD. She has HD and mild Spondylosis. She is also on 2 other supplements plus pain meds/anti inflams. I can't say for sure whether it has actually done anything for her but after 2 years on it, I don't want to take her off it.

 

Plus her breeder is a vet nurse at a specialist clinic and they recommend it.

 

Sorry I know that isn't any help! :)

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All 3 of my dogs are on it as a preventative. Ages 3 years, 7 years and 11.5 and all very active/competing. It’s one of the better ones out there. 

 

I also add Omega oils and a probiotic to every meal. As recommended by US dog sports vet Dr Chris Zink. 

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mita   

Thank you so much to you both!  Just the kind of information I was after ... it can be used for the developed condition and also as a preventative.

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Jumabaar   

Antinol is a new supplement that is also worth looking into.

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mita   
14 hours ago, The Spotted Devil said:

If I had a dog with diagnosed issues/pain I would definitely explore vet based options as well.

Good point that it's not standalone treatment for developed condition but adjunct to medications.   Bianca's GSD is a good example. 

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mita   
12 hours ago, Jumabaar said:

Antinol is a new supplement that is also worth looking into.

Thanks.  I've not heard of Antinol.  Off to follow it up, too.

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Just in my own experience, I've been using this on my 13yo Staffy, as she was diagnosed with aged related joint problems in her back legs.  She was on Metacam for a few weeks...the vet said to get joint guard and fish oil supplements to follow on from that.    To be honest, I've not noticed any difference,  and that's been nearly 3  months on it, plus another supplement.

I'll be going back to the vet for more Metacam.

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Jumabaar   

When it comes to arthritis at least the 3 proven treatments are 

Weight management

NSAIDs (anti inflammatory)

Exercise therapy

 

It is only when you look at all 3 (and then adding in other meds and supplements) that you will get the best results.

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Boronia   

Henry gets a Synovan injection each month as well as 1/2 tsp Pernease each day. The Synovan is once a week for 4 weeks then monthly (or 3 monthly depending on the dog) it works quite well though I did find that the Pernease helped after I began giving it to him.

Strangely he has become more flexible since it has become cooler,  so go figure  :confused:

I pay around $23 each month for the injection

 

https://www.ceva.com.au/Products/Products-list/SYNOVAN-Injection-for-Dogs

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mita   
On 5 May 2018 at 10:42 PM, Jumabaar said:

When it comes to arthritis at least the 3 proven treatments are 

Weight management

NSAIDs (anti inflammatory)

Exercise therapy

 

It is only when you look at all 3 (and then adding in other meds and supplements) that you will get the best results.

That makes sense to focus on core essentials. 

What's the best kind of exercise therapy?  I'm noticing that people can tend to do the opposite....as soon as there's any limping or other signs of discomfort, they may stop walking the dog because they fear it's causing pain. Is swimming good?

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Boronia   

Synovan is an improved version of Pentosan (which Henry used to get)  Synovan is a combination of Pentosan and chondroitin.

It seems to be working as he is much more limber and now runs up and down the driveway after his ball, he also does zoomies after a poo :laugh:

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Jumabaar   
16 hours ago, mita said:

That makes sense to focus on core essentials. 

What's the best kind of exercise therapy?  I'm noticing that people can tend to do the opposite....as soon as there's any limping or other signs of discomfort, they may stop walking the dog because they fear it's causing pain. Is swimming good?

 

There are rehab professionals that would be able to set up an individualised plan. 

 

Swimming is great for cardiovascular health but does little to support joints. The muscles that do this only work when resisting gravity- so land based exercises and wading are necessary.

 

It does seem counterintuitive to exercise a painful dog but that is where a good diagnosis and pain management plan comes into the picture. I will often put dogs on a few different pain meds to allow them to feel comfortable and build muscle. Once they have built some strength we can then reduce their pain meds because they are less painful. 

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mita   
On 8 May 2018 at 1:47 PM, Jumabaar said:

 

It does seem counterintuitive to exercise a painful dog but that is where a good diagnosis and pain management plan comes into the picture. I will often put dogs on a few different pain meds to allow them to feel comfortable and build muscle. Once they have built some strength we can then reduce their pain meds because they are less painful. 

Thanks for that, Jumabaar.  I've noticed just recently in the news,  medical research was presented showing that humans with dodgy knees may actually avoid knee replacements in numbers of cases....by doing precisely what you said can apply for dogs.  A specialist, individualised exercise program was worked out & the results were startling.  The program had a name (can't remember!) and it said physiotherapists and exercise physiologists can be trained in it.

 

You're right about counterintuitive!  Also recently, medical research was showing how tailored exercise can have enormous benefits to patients going thro' often harsh cancer treatments... just when we would've thought only rest would be needed.  The program said the evidence was so strong for the benefits,  that prescribing an exercise regime be undertaken should be part of an oncologist's role.

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honeybun   

Just saw this topic.

My sisters 15 year old Cocker Spaniel was lame in one leg and having difficulty getting around from arthritis. She was under a vets care and whilst she was also diagnosed with Cushings, he suggested 4cyte, and there were remarkable results. The lameness improved dramatically and she was able to once again run around and happily walk up and down the paddocks on the farm until she passed away just recently. She was on 4cyte for maybe 2 years.

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Ruth R   

Just saw this post.  I have had my now 6 yo GSD on this using 4cyte for around 3 years, using the 3.5kg horse tub, as she has hip dysplaysia.  I can't say I notice much difference but will continue with it.  I introduced DoTerra copaiba 2 drops to her meal & she moves around a lot more now.  Another thought is to go to a canine chiropractor & see what they say.

 

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I use 4cyte as a preventative. The new kid on the block is Antinol, it's the super charged version of 4cyte, and also doubles as an Omega 3 supplement.

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