poodlefan Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) YOUR Chi may be innocent Ciara.. others less so - let me tell you I have a healthy respect for the breed. Edited to add - they can make top little agility dogs BTW. What colour/sex is your Chi? I'll don my colour consultant hat and find you some colour suggestions. Coach make collars down to Yorkie/Chi and up to huge dogs. Edited October 7, 2005 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) I was going to get BlackDog collars for my lot, but I think they have plastic clips from memory... For med-large / strong dogs, would those of you who have seen and used the BlackDog collars put them in the same "ID-carrying-device-only" category? As the dogs are in and out of the water constantly I had hoped to find a good nylon collar, and the clips are just so much easier to get on and off on those ones than with the belt buckle type. ETA - the pups have had Bull collars with plastic clips up till now, they seem pretty sturdy... but is the general consensus that no plastic clip is to be trusted? K9 - On that martingale you posted the picture of K9, there looks to be a point to the right of the slip chain where the the collar relies on a plastic buckle/slider... am I just misreading the picture? Is there a part of the strap that continues through there? Edited October 8, 2005 by Mana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ish Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Mana - black dog have 'heavy duty' training collars that don't have clips - I use these on my guys for training with no issues. I'm no good at explain how their work, but if you look on their page you'll see what i mean http://www.blackdog.net.au/collars.php They have a press stud - which isn't weight bearing - but is handy if you want to leave the collar on them briefly whilst in the car on the way to training etc, but they wouldn't be suitable as an everyday id holding collar. I've had one of the not heavy duty training collars (with the clip) and it took 5 years to break it, and it was primarily used for my male GSD so hopefully the heavy duty ones will last forever with the girls. (ps theres a guy on ebay selling them cheaper if you do decide to get them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 My favourite collars are the ones I was given on a trip of the US. They are bright mutlicoloured collars (so easy to find when left on a dog stake) used primarily for E collars. Lots of holes and as strong as I have ever found. I will post a photo if anyone likes. I cannot find a web site for them at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I was going to get BlackDog collars for my lot, but I think they have plastic clips from memory... For med-large / strong dogs, would those of you who have seen and used the BlackDog collars put them in the same "ID-carrying-device-only" category? No, I wouldn't put them in the same category. The designer at Blackdog is actually an engineer in his former life, and you will notice 2 rings on the Blackdog collars, a smaller one right next to the clip for ID only, then the bigger D ring further down the collar- it is purposely sewn in independently for strength. Why the cheaper versions of the plastic clip collars come apart is because the D ring is incorporated into the plastic clip- thus the clip taking all of the force, and snap! The Blackdog collars are actually designed so that the force is heavily reduced on the plastic clip, for that exact reason. I've had dogs of all weights wear them- 30kg labs, 50kg rotti's, never had one snap or come apart. Blackdog's stuff isn't the cheapest, but it's sure worth the money. Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxagirl Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Barklys snapped a plastic buckle collar, manages to slip his halti occasionally (its tight? i think he must loosen it somehow? ) so I much prefer gentel leaders to haltis (coz if dog gets out of head collar bit, there is still collar) Nylon leads CUT skin (ouch!) best nylon (I think?) lead I know is Ruddocks brand, easy on the skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Australian Dog Training have a great range of professional leads and collars that have a lifetime guarantee against breaking. If anyone is interested you can ring Fotina in the office on 9761 2772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 Halti's, in my experience, are easier for the dog to slip out of ... it depends alot on the size (length) of the dog's muzzle. In addition, the strap crossing the back of the neck, even once adjusted, has a tendancy to slip. For this reason, the manufacturers recommend that, once the neck strap has been properly adjusted, to put a stitch through the neck strap. Having said that, however, I've worked with some dogs who's size and shape of head and nose are not suitable to, say, a Gentle Leader. As to which headcollar is the right one IMO depends on the dog. IE The size and shape of its head; the length of it's muzzle; and, if problematic behaviour is the reason for its use, what that problematic behaviour is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 Off topic .... HR! Love your 'signature' ! Dogs look gorgeous. Stimpy's photo is just toooo cute. (Even if I do have to slide from side to side to read your posts! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Off topic .... HR! Love your 'signature' ! Dogs look gorgeous. Stimpy's photo is just toooo cute. (Even if I do have to slide from side to side to read your posts! ) Thanks Erny, I shrunk it down as I just realised how friggin big it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 Sorry to tell you, but it seems your "signature" is still like my posts ...... lengthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's managable now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 A couple of weeks ago we had a dog who snapped his cheap $2 Shop correction chain and went for a run around the school grounds. We have also had a number of those cheap nylon clip collars snap in half as well. I have burned my hands using nylon leads as well and now every time I work with a big dog, I use one of our leads instead. We have totally banned chain leads from our school. The sad thing is, these nasty pieces of "training" equipment are readily sold at all pet stores and are prettied up with colours and studs so that people are buying for looks rather than practicality. (sigh!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxagirl Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Having said that, however, I've worked with some dogs who's size and shape of head and nose are not suitable to, say, a Gentle Leader. Yeh, bondis They don't suit short nosed breeds IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 The sad thing is, these nasty pieces of "training" equipment are readily sold at all pet stores and are prettied up with colours and studs so that people are buying for looks rather than practicality. (sigh!) Hi Kelpie-i. That's my grumble too ... equipment that comes with no explanation, only a label. Not suggesting they should include a "how to use it" explanation, as that in itself can be open to interpretation and therefore dangerous, but some statement to suggest that the purchaser is advised to seek advice as to the correct manner of its use would be helpful. I particularly hate check chains being labeled "choker" chains, as this implies to the unsuspecting that's how they are supposed to work ... by choking the dog. And the collars with plastic clips should come with a label suggesting they are not suitable/safe for training or restraining applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) thankyou for the response re Blackdog, dear peoples. Will re-browse my dog-alogue! Edited October 8, 2005 by Mana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Speaking of signatures..... Thankyou HR for my beautiful new avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 You're very welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I use BlackDog products for my boy, the collar does have a plastic clip, however how the collar is designed the clip doesn't have any weight put on it as such. I also use the BlackDog head halter, although I'm not a fan of halters, it's the only aid at this stage that my boy responds to and I feel I have total control of him, it does have a plastic clip but I also have another part for it which connect from the halter to the collar incase a plastic clip did break. When we go to training, we use a collar with a buckle rather than a plastic clip which attaches to the halter just to be extra careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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