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PAX I love your dog's heelwork! The prance is awesome Kathq I agree with DogDude - your girl has great drive, love her enthusiasm!

And to charge them or make sure the memory card isn't full

My channel doesn't have anything fantastic on it but we haven't started trialling yet. It pales in comparison to some of your great channels guys! http://www.youtube.com/user/becandmicha

This is not a good idea because he will begin to see it as his alone & may guard his food bowl. We teach beginner members at my dog club to stay with their dogs at least 2-3 times a week while they eat. You are not going to take the food away, but have something more desirable like roast chicken to drop into the bowl while he's eating. I pat & can even groom my dog while she's eating & she doesn't mind a bit. I always let my dogs eat in peace and I have no problem taking food from them. They work for their food and they look to me for permission to eat, once they haven earnt their dinner they can eat in peace. Neither of them are resource guarders or ever have been. Hassling a dog while they eat (not saying that you are necessarily hassling your dog at eating time, I'm talking generally) can create resource guarding. IMO what you do before you let your dog eat (i.e. a program like TOT) is just as important as what you do when the dog is eating.

:p ;) 10 minutes is huge!!! I am currently proofing Daisy's 2 minute down stay for her first CCD trial

We spent a fair chunk of time on training in drive but Steve is pretty flexible with topics etc. Sounds like you guys are going to have a great time

I've heard a few people recommending Kathy Kopelis Mcleod: http://www.kathysdogtraining.com.au/

I have had a similar problem with Daisy barking during stays. What do you do when he barks? I have been giving a NRM so she learns that barking = no opportunity to earn a reward.

I always carry food in my hand. I tend to leave my treat pouch or a container of food on the ground somewhere and return to it when I need to grab more food.

No worries, happy to help Steve's workshops are great fun and always an opportunity to learn heaps of great stuff. The dogs always have a good time too

Hey Cassie I've been to two of Steve's workshops and both times we were able to bring a dog for any practical component of the workshop. There's usually a combination of theory and practical demos.

I don't see how that changes anything, if the dog is working well in drive distractions won't make much difference.

I am no expert either, but like DD I have seen a few dogs trained in drive like this that are excellent obedience dogs with loads of self control. Building that self control is a part of training in drive. Daisy needs to be TID otherwise the urge to scent takes over and I would get zero reliable focus - her instinct and drive to scent is so strong. Now I can take her out just about anywhere, at any time, and get her focusing on me and she's so excited and keen to work - what smells on the ground are just not as interesting when you're TID! We won't be trialling til the new year so I can't answer your question from my own experiences bar what I've experienced in training, I am really looking forward to seeing how Daisy goes in the trial ring

Oh wow. That made me want to cry! What a sweet pair! Go George and Hummel

Daisy quite likes to tug (not as much as she likes food though) but she especially goes nuts over toys when Micha is playing with his :laugh:

Yeah the wooo wooo woo is quite distinct, isn't it To start with I would just get her to chase the food (throwing her food as you would let a prey driven dog 'capture' a toy). Then once she was building drive reliably we were able to add commands when she was really driving for it. We're at a point in our training now where I don't need to 'spin' her to get her in drive so we don't use it much at all anymore but it was an awesome way to build her drive and focus, I am so glad we went down that route. Her focus is great now and she'll work just about any where, even when it's hot (it would have hit over thirty degrees at the K9 Force workshop on Friday and she was still SO keen to work ) which was a big thing for us because she's was so driven by her nose and hates (hated) hot weather. We've always used food in training but it's how I was using it that changed.

That must be so frustrating It sounds like she's pretty prey driven though? I would rather have a prey driven dog over food drive, if I had the choice! No chance that the dog will get full The problem I had with Daisy was that her scent drive was so strong that it was so easy for her to be distracted and get rewarded for doing so (all she'd have to do would be put that nose on the ground!). I will always utilise Daisy's food drive so there will always be food involved with our training but on the other hand, I did a fair bit of work to start with so that she would turn on to my command word rather than turn on to the sight or smell of food.

To start with all I did was put my hand out and encourage Daisy to 'get it, get it' while moving my hand away as she lunged for the food. To give you an idea (please excuse our terrible videos, I'm sure Shoey has many better ones than I do!) - this was when I started introducing commands into the game. Initially I would keep the game to under a minute (stopping when the dog was really getting into it to leave them frustrated) with no commands bar getting Daisy excited and chasing the food (as well as building the 'ready to work' command). http://www.youtube.com/user/becandmicha#p/u/9/2QDuv4bJzT4 ETA: you can see how easily distracted she would get by scents! She's much better now!

That's interesting Ness! I always like to hear about the different things other people do. There's no way I would have ever gotten Daisy to the point she is now without training in food drive She doesn't need to see that I have food to switch into drive, as she responds to our command word (ready to work). But then again considering she does have quite a high food drive I'd be silly not to utilise it! I think to some point all dogs will have a 'whats in it for me' attitude in that they wouldn't enjoy anything that they didn't find rewarding.

I thought you guys must have used a method something like this, as I saw Shoemonster use a different delivery method at FOO last year with her Eddy. I have never seen such strong food drive in a dog. I had one small peice of cabana in my pocket, and he started ripping off my pocket to get at it lol! I would sew spare pockets on my pants if I could get the same results out of Oscar! Thats one of my goals over the break. Haha! I made cup cakes last night and they were in those little paper patty cake wrappers. Mum had one today and left the wrapper on the counter, scrunched up. She heard Daisy going absolutely NUTS in the kitchen, almost like she was screaming hysterically, barking and carrying on. Mum thought there must have been meat on the counter or food stuck somewhere, or the cat was on the shelf and Daisy was telling her off - nope, she was going nuts over the wrapper, she loves sweet food, it was like she was the devil I've seen some of Eddy's videos, he's amazing

I agree with DD that the fun is in the chase as opposed to the capture Is he more food than prey motivated normally TSD? With Daisy I hold food in my hand and get her to chase it not unlike you would a prey item, as a way of building her drive. I found even with food that eventually, it became more about the chase than it did about actually eating the food and a few occasions she would cough the food back up (she doesn't chew before she swallows... typical beagle) and leave it there as the adrenaline rush she got was part of the reward too. Now I find I can switch her on without needing to get her to chase the food, just by using the same command word I did before to let her know that we are about to start training.

RIP Patch Run free lovely lady.

There are plenty of incidents where children have been attacked by dogs because they were not being supervised adequately. Instead of getting hysterical and suggesting it's never the parents fault, don't you think it's vitally important to educate parents on how crucial it is to supervise their children around dogs? I see far too many parents who are completely and utterly ignorant when it comes to letting their kids being around dogs - the parents who let their child unlock my back door and walk out to play with Micha when he was eating a bone is just one of many examples... I get parents who let their kids run up to my dogs and pat them without asking, who see nothing wrong with letting their kids grab, hug, pat, yell in my dog's faces. And they would be the first to blame the dog and owner if their kid ever got bitten!

When dogs are as much the product of their environment as their breeding, I would resist any suggestion that dogs alone should shoulder the responsibility for attacking children. Few dogs attack without warning - the fact that people may not read them does not suggest that they don't indicate discomfort. Unless a dog is running the full length of the room to attack children, then attacks can be prevented. The responsiblity for prevention falls to people, not dogs. Yes, there are 'bad' dogs.. but there are also ignorant and careless owners and distracted parents. Blaming dogs for attacks happens now and focussing on breed instead of a dog's temperament, socialisation and training ignores the fact that so many dog bite incidents can be prevented by strategies other than removing dogs from our society. Totally agree with you PF Resorting to blaming the dog for being a bad dog not only removes any responsibility for us as dog owners, parents, people but lulls people into the false sense of security that comes with blaming the dog instead of looking at other factors - training, socialisation and supervision that cause dog attacks. We need to remember that dogs attacks CAN be prevented. Without educating people to the importance of training, supervision and socialisation we will never reduce dog attacks.

FCOL, if that was in response to my post where on earth have I said anything of the sort? Or do you think it's not your responsibility to look out for your kids when they are around strange dogs? Do you assume that every dog owner is responsible and dog savvy enough to do it for you?