SkySoaringMagpie

Google says there is. Paw Village is an "All Breeds" database, some of the info on it is a bit iffy - if I found something there I'd try and confirm another way - but it's one place to start - www.pawvillage.com

That is interesting, looks like the Saluki Archive is on the same software platform. Would be cool if we could do a colour distribution too.

I just looked up one of your boys! Interesting stuff.

I should have suggested that people provide links to their breed databases. This is the Saluki link I like using, also maintained by some dedicated people: http://www.thesalukiarchives.com/ I think it's sad that some databases have staggering fees, which means that people are just not going to use them as well as they might if it were open.

The other day I was cruising Facebook and saw a picture from the 1940's of a Saluki that is the spitting image of one I have at home. I went searching through my girl's pedigree, and sure enough, those lines are on both sides of my girl's pedigree. I think it's awesomely cool that the online world allows us to see all these pictures and do the research through various online databases. So, what have you found that interests you? I've added the picture that got me searching to this post. From the Carol-Ann Lantz collection, a picture of Gwen Angel, a lady who was instrumental in keeping Salukis going during the war years in England, and one of her parti-colours.

It's only "silly" if you think a breed's country of origin should lose the ability to control what the breed standard is. Actually, for my breed, I think it should. There are many countries of origin (COO) but only one has FCI affiliation. Expansionists would also include Morocco, I would only include Bahrain when it comes to COO. It is not a surprise that predominantly Muslim countries don't go for canine sports. And I am unconvinced that the FCI has the corner on breed wisdom. Their standard was certainly not the first. Our country of development is England. The English breed clubs are attempting to fix problems with the registry by changing the standard. Whatever you think of the standard or the registry problems, this is a bit of a fraught escapade. Their standard has also watered down some of the fundamental working characteristics of the breed. In Australia we have the 1923, I think of all the standards it is the best, and should remain unchanged. So control questions become a bit redundant.

I liked a Slink of Salukis as well. A Snobbery of Salukis was what immediately popped into my head tho' :laugh:

Good one!

Agree with the others, I would dial down any interaction outside until they go while paying enough attention to praise like a maniac with treats when they do go. You probably give off unconscious "the pressure is now off" signals when you let the pup back inside. A book and a chair, and yes, at least it is summer!

One thing that is a bit controversial, but which I recall has been backed up by some study, is that dogs who are kenneled their whole lives tend to have shorter lives than those who live inside. I suspect that might partially depend on the weather conditions the dogs are exposed to and a range of other factors. Please note, there are some dogs who live in kennels who have much better lives than those indoors. I am not saying kennels are the worst thing in the world.

Your family believe he died because he was pedigreed? What did he die of? As HW says, it may not be fair but public perception is the reality we have to deal with and for pedigree dogs there is zero social tolerance for health issues. Perversely in rescues it's almost a badge of honour to have a dog with all sorts of problems as it shows what a great saviour you are. So people don't think clearly about this and no amount of reason is going to reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. I think alpha bet makes lots of sound observations about what is needed.

Yep, probably a good time to rerun this URL, prevention tips are halfway down: http://www.snakehandler.com.au/?p=snakes-and-domestic-pets Unfortunately while I'd love to leave clam shells out for the dogs, all the dogs' water is in hanging buckets and the rest of the place is dry as dust within the dog accessible boundaries. There is water in all the stock troughs outside the house paddock, so the wildlife (including snakes) can stay out there!

Yep. I also think we tend to get paranoid and behave as if anyone who isn't "with us" is a radical vegan on a mission to destroy all dog ownership. Unfortunately, while we address ourselves to the radicals (whose minds aren't going to change anyway), we waste every day opportunities to make a positive impression on those who would benefit from owning a really good dog and would be open to buying one. Edited to close a bracket

I think you'd be better off spending the money on insulation, and if possible, an earth noise reduction barrier between the kennels and anywhere that might be annoyed by the noise. I'm pretty sure we've had a thread here recently about noise management in kennels. Don't like the electronic systems for the reasons set out by others above.

Silly question maybe but is Simi a dobe ? Are you scoring for breeding purposes ? If so we always run bloods to test Thyroid, Liver & Kidney function on our dogs prior to breeding (even though my vets keep telling me its a waste of time with no issues in the lines !!) but if you get it done you can have all these results. In some lines in dobes there are chronic thyroid & kidney issues - good to check. If not - ignore this post :). Yep, this is why I get them done at least once and then before breeding as well - kidney issues aren't an issue in my breed but thyroid is. I also find it useful to have a baseline for each dog. For a recent "lodger" here who was over 8 when she arrived, I ordered a full panel before her GA for her desexing because I didn't want to rehome her at that age without being confident that all looked good (which it does). I'm not sure I'd recommend it for a pet owner who isn't breeding in my breed, but some of the comments in this thread make me think it would be a good idea in breeds that are susceptible to things you can pick up on a blood panel.

SSM, I think you are being too too generous with these sorts of people. I've seen it and I've seen their faces (not often thank goodness): just uncontrolled anger to my eyes. Some people are just arseholes, but with arseholes everything you do has to be tested with "is this potentially going to make the dog's life better?" If not, my view is give it a rest. Some people are angry because they are frustrated with a problem they don't know how to fix. Like someone who whacks a dog who won't come back when they call. Explaining without lecturing that they're making it less likely the dog will come back next time won't stop everyone, but it does stop a lot of people. Yes it would be better if they were calm and patient, but most people aren't. And as I say, I don't grant the same indulgence to people competing with dogs, because they don't have an excuse.

Depends on what they are doing and how I read them but usually it's incompetence and frustration rather than someone being deliberately mean. So if you can quickly and effectively suggest something that changes how they think about what they are doing, that is usually better than disapproval. In that situation I probably would have said in as friendly a tone as possible "no wonder she doesn't want to come to you if you whack her when she does". Laying off the judgement is invariably in the best interests of the dog (unless you have 50 bucks and are prepared to take the dog home). Edited to add - if it's a show or dog sport person, all bets are off. They should know better.

Ripped up old towels make good temporary belly bands. Then you can just chuck them. Edited to add, just tie the ripped up towel over their willy and in a bow on their back. Easy.

Often the purpose of an ad is not just to influence judges but to intimidate or otherwise get up the nose of the competition. So don't allow the ads to intimidate you. Sometimes you will come up against someone with an advertising assisted profile in dog world and the judge will opt for the "safe" choice but it's not a single ad that produces that result, but a long campaign, sometimes of years, building up a kennel's profile. Often (not always) those people have the better dog anyway. Also bear in mind that a significant proportion of ads have crap photos that show problems with the dog, and otherwise insult the intelligence of judges. Money helps, but it isn't a magic route to success. Pat Hastings based her whole lecture series on dog construction here in Australia on pictures of dogs she had taken from show ads. Some of them were gobsmackingly awful.

I have imported once before, and am in the middle of doing it again. It is not for the fainthearted. It's expensive and stressful. I agree with the others that an air waybill doesn't make the dog a better dog, and that there are a number of risks associated with buying a dog sight unseen. I have seen the dogs I am importing this time in the flesh, checked the three Ts etc and if I were going to do it again (god forbid) I would do that again too, travel and see them before committing. Even if it is on the other side of the world, as these dogs are. And even then if you are dealing with someone unscrupulous you can still be dudded. I have titled 5 dogs so far and only one was imported. The first three were locals, and I think starting with a local dog would give you the education you need to make good choices about an import. I went overseas this second time only because I could not see exactly what I want here. And we have a strong breed here, just as Paps do. Before I took this course, I went to shows overseas and visited/spoke with breeders as well. Show world is littered with expensive imports who did not work out, and resulting breeding where people weren't prepared to call the whole exercise a sunk cost and walk away.

Pm Curlytail, she would know who to start asking.

Rejection can hurt, but, there would be almost no-one out there, including me, who would be suitable for all rescue dogs. Rescue is not a single entity either. Some rescues already suggest alternatives. There isn't universal agreement about how to handle each sale. If another rescue with different views about socialisation had been managing it the OP may have got the dog. In life there are also usually people who do better than us, and who do worse than us. If one of the ones doing better is applying for the same dog, then we're not likely to be successful even if we are an otherwise competent and affectionate dog owner. One thing tho', if a person reacts very poorly to a reasonably stated rejection, I would consider that I'd done the right thing in not selling them a dog. One of the things I'm looking for in a dog owner for my breed is the ability to calmly come up with a solution when things don't go the owner's way. [yes I'm talking about rescues, I have gotten thoroughly sick of the language of "adoption"]

Depends on the temp. Salukis always outside, unless it's going to be furnace like (ie, 40 or above) or their name is Princess Lucy. Afghans outside unless it's going to top 35 Wolfhound inside with aircon if it's anything over 30. I also take into account things like the amount of sun, wind, humidity etc. Edit - this tends to reverse in Winter, with the Salukis inside and the ghans and wolfie outside.

Re the general public, their newspaper of choice in Victoria, had this to say yesterday. To get the full article without subscribing, put the article title in your search bar. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/the-proper-value-of-a-pets-life/story-e6frfhqf-1226545103469 So yes, there is an issue, and that piece looks very much as if it were scripted by AA or a similar organisation. It even takes a swipe at the RSPCA. -- MAHATMA Gandhi said "the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated". Leaving aside the more complex issue of how we treat our livestock, it's still difficult to determine if Australia is a progressive, humane society or one with a moral compass in urgent need of repair. We have one of the highest rates of pet ownership in the world and spend billions caring for our furry friends - but we also put down thousands of healthy cats and dogs every week. This disturbing paradox is particularly conspicuous this time of year, when animal lovers happily pay more than $1000 for a designer puppy while unwanted cats and dogs sit on death row in shelters awaiting their cruel fate. An estimated 250,000 cats and dogs are euthanased each year in Australia, a figure that should distress every civilised, thinking human being. The problem isn't one of demand - 450,000 dogs and 165,000 cats are sold every year - the problem is the out-of-control supply through puppy mills, backyard breeders and irresponsible pet owners who refuse to desex their animals. Regardless of how reputable breeders claim to be, their very existence contributes to an oversupply of animals, and the sad reality is that many do not behave ethically; keeping their breeding bitches in appalling conditions. Pet stores and even shelters must also share the blame for the number of unwanted animals. Australia's biggest animal shelter, the Lost Dogs' Home, kills many more dogs than it rehomes and as for cats the kill rate is often above 80 per cent. Even the RSPCA, that much lovedorganisation charged with protecting the welfare of animals, has been criticised for its kill rate and temperament tests. A behavioural assessment to determine whether an animal is suitable for adoption is done for every animal received at the shelter. If an animal fails the test it will be destroyed. It stands to reason that animals in a shelter would be anxious, "food guarding" and stressed by sudden loud noises. How many good-natured cats and dogs have been put down before ever getting the chance to be adopted? There can also be a disconnect between the many animal rescue groups and authorities such as the RSPCA and council-run shelters. They share the common goal of finding homes for as many animals as possible but appear to spend more time in dispute than in collaboration. The Geelong Animal Welfare Society is an example of what can be accomplished when a shelter works with rescue groups and engages the community to reduce its kill rate. GAWS has made significant changes to its operation in the past year and has reduced its kill rate to 10 per cent for dogs and 50 per cent for cats. Without receiving any government funding the shelter has achieved the highest adoption rate in Victoria. Progress also is being made on a legislative front. Last year Victoria abolished the time limit rule that dictated animals had to be destroyed if they were not found homes within 28 days. However, this has had little effect on the number of animals killed as there simply aren't enough people adopting animals from shelters. People want a puppy, or are so fixated on a particular breed of cat or dog that they refuse to consider shelters when buying a pet. The truth is that shelters have so many cats and dogs available for adoption that it's almost impossible not to find an ideal pet to suit your needs. As consumers, we need to stop adding to the oversupply problem by patronising breeders and pet stores. Head to the pound next time you want to add a cuddly cat or canine to your household. You won't be disappointed.