Steve

A puppy without front legs would normally die in the whelping box without human intervention because how would they move to get to their mUm?

Its not about just financial strain and its definitely not about it being bad for business. Good grief what an offensive thing to say. I happen to believe its what is best for the dogs. Its bloody hard work matching people and homes and even when you start out with a 4 legged perfectly normal animal with everything going for it there is no guarantee that it will be a forever home.Things people think they can cope with or things people can deal with today isnt necessarily what will remain the same for the next 15 years or so.It places a much higher risk on the chances that something will go wrong and that the dog will suffer. People love their new dogs to bits - especially when they are young and cute and especially if they can get a bit of mileage out of saving something out of the ordinary but life changes and to allow a dog to start out with that kind of handicap when there are so many healthy animals which have to be bumped off because there are not enough homes is in my opinion stupid. As a breeder Ive made a committment to be there as long as humanly possible to offer support and be a back up if something goes wrong and take the dog back and if I chose to allow a dog with no front legs to live one day it is at high risk to be back with me and Im not sure me and my family would enjoy that much. They send them back because they pinched the christmas ham, because they chewed the leg of the furniture.Rentals are hard enough to get with a normal dog without one thats taking chunks out of the walls with its cart. Where it has to have wheel chair access to get down the steps to do a wee and be constantly supervised in case it gets snagged or bogged. I work with people every day who have been wealthy and secure one day and homeless the next. They battle to keep their normal dogs. Shit happens and it happens more often to dogs especially dogs which are special needs. It restricts your choices and your lifestyle if you are going to do it properly and what you think you can cope with today changes tomorrow. So while we may not agree on what is best the suggestion that anyone here would want to quietly take them to God for some frivolous reason and not because we see it as best for the dog is nuts.

Are you sure they were taken from her yard and they were not at large?

I belive that the Companion Animal Act applies Australia-wide - NOT just NSW - but I did say I wasn't a legal person. No only NSW.

Conflict of Interest? How is it not a conflict of interest to have someone who is a member of a group which doesnt recognise the breed and actively works against the concept of even breeding or owning dogs which are not able to get their papers not a conflict of interest?

I recommend people buy a copy, it's full of great info. Thanks Sway I hope thats it because if it is there is a hope of treating it - however, Im still not conviced that this is what I saw and nor is my vet.

Could anyone else have 800 animals living in a facility with poor conditions and not be raided and told to fix it within 28 days or shut down? How long did save a shephard get to comply with a dozen dogs and if they had been waiting on word from a grant application would that have made any difference?

Can someone who understands this a bit better explain to me in more detail about these 800 animals which are housed here? Where did they come from, how long do they stay etc?

A couple of years ago there was a litter of Maremmas where half of the litter had legs missing some had no front legs, some only one front leg and some only half legs. It was traced to chemical excposure - similar to thalidamide. All PTS within minutes of birth. However, you are right to have 3 in one litter with an identical deformity is something pretty spectacular. The fact that someone made the call to keep them alive and raise them - that they have decided to inflict that life on them and the families which will take them when they had a choice because they are not human is incredible. If ever anyone needs a demonstration on why laws are needed for rescue orgs this is one of them. If they have no commonsense then perhaps only laws will be able to help the dogs and the people who get sucked in to take them. There is so much going on in rescue which is unjustifiable and if its O.K. for rescue to demand tougher laws on breeders its time they had a better look in their own back yard.

All proceeds to Pacers where it is much needed. Demand for help is getting bigger every day. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...p;#entry5199272

Where were the dogs when they supposedly bit someone ?

worm farm

Well all that demonstrates to me is that there are people in rescue with no brains and bleeding hearts which should be roped in. Why on earth would any one allow those puppies to live?

So if this is what's keeping you from the MDBA awards you can bring them with you Ill hide them in my room for you no worries. :D Better sort out who will collect your trophy if you win kiddo. Well done they really are beautiful.

Pathetic

Air Conditioning? And the money spent on building a case against Ruth Downey et al could have been put into non-air conditioned accommodation. What about the kids in state school with no airconditioning - 800 animals - 800 animals? 800 animals?

Yep I did but was wiating until I had further info . I will shoot you an email in the next hour or so Julie

all sorted thank guys,

Yep trying there now

We have a desperate need for help with transportation from Sydney to Londonderry - or if thats not possible from Richmond to Londonderry - if anyone could help this afternoon it would be very much appreciated. Three small dogs and their owner. Pacers will pay costs. 0269276706 Julie

Thats right

We have a Pacers client who may just be the person for you. Can you give me a call 0269276707 if you can Julie

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/airport-staff-query-pets-transfers/2097699.aspx Airport staff query pet's transfers BY PETER JEAN09 Mar, 2011 01:00 AMDogs and cats are unnecessarily exposed to the elements and could be at risk of being hit by vehicles after being unloaded from planes at Canberra Airport, according to baggage handlers. Qantas baggage handlers, speaking on condition of anonymity, have told The Canberra Times that cages containing pets are routinely left outside for up to an hour after being unloaded from aircraft. The handlers said a shady area where pets used to be left had ceased to be available when the new airport terminal opened last year. They were concerned about animals being exposed to very hot and cold conditions and to prolonged noise from aircraft. One handler said animal containers were sometimes placed dangerously close to areas used by service vehicles. Workers said they raised their concerns with managers and the RSPCA but a Qantas spokesman said the company had no knowledge of any problems with the handling of cats and dogs. ''Qantas is not aware of any issues with the way cats and dogs are handled at Canberra Airport ...'' the spokesman said. Transport Workers' Union official Ben Sweaney said immediate steps should be taken to improve arrangements for pets after they were unloaded from aircraft. For more on this story, see the print edition of today's Canberra Times

http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/...#036;366366.htm Sory there's a block which wont allow me to copy the article. 60% of dogs sold last year in the UK were purebreds - bagging purebreds and their breeders out pretty well.

I was expecting frantic bidding!!! Bargain of the century! *runs around frantically brushing hair* I'll email you for payment details, thank you so much :D We need real names of those attending too.