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Well said PF (waiting for that name change though ) How about Deschonko Even CM has the sense to say do not try this without consulting a professional To the OP will be interested to see how you go with your dog, hopefully you will be able to find a behaviourist to suit. We are a bit spoilt those of us who live in metropolitan areas. It is money well spent though if you can find one to suit. Good luck with your endeavours, I have a friend who has a dog (not a GSD) with very strong aggression towards fluffies, she has made great strides under a behaviourist here in Sydney and her life and that of her dog is greatly improved from what it was. ETA completely off topic are you the same person Aidan and Aidan2??

Yep, can do. Its taken a few goes years of selective breeding but if its non shedding and attitude to spare I give you. The Teacup Staffordshire Pit Mastiff Plenty of go in these little buggers.. look at it having to be held back!! Fantastic you sure know how to con meet a customer's needs.

PF don't you have anything for those of us who are bull breed lovers You know blue is so old school , I was thinking of something either inthe teacup range or the non-shedding?

Yes sorry, I haven't had the time to respond properly. 1. No crossbreeding should ever be allowed at all, and sales should be outlawed 2. One must obtain a permit/license to own certain breeds, before purchase is permitted, renewed annually 3. Owners must undertake a training course to own certain breeds 4. Owners must take dogs to obedience training at least once a month. 5. Owners must be members of breed clubs and must participate in all club activities. 6. Residences to be inspected by an animal control officer pre purchase. I don't know, that's all I can think of atm Basically, it should be difficult and expensive to own certain breeds. Please don't ask me which breeds I'm talking about because I don't really know the true statistics of offending dogs. Also I would like to ad that from what you say about bite stats Jed, Cattle Dogs, Labradors, German Shepherds,are common and popular. So therefore it would be expected that these breeds with them being more prevelant, the bite rate would be higher. Personally Um staffordshire bull terriers are last time I looked in the top ten of popular breeds in this country, maybe even the top five. Sorry that blows your last assertion right out of the water Poodiful1, if you say popularity increases bite stats (which it probably does statistically by sheer numbers) then the same can be said for a "staffy" (inverted commas as I am talking about the generic "staffy" rather than proven purebred stafford) as can be said for a lab. ETA: while we are on stats, it is pretty clear from the gold coast that focusing on breed is not doing a damn thing to alter bite statistics. The facts are there why keep flogging the same old rules and regs when they are obviously not working. Note that the UK (one of main proponents of BSL) is moving towards reversing the regs because they DO NOT WORK. Instead of bickering about whether one breed is more dangerous than another, we should be listening to people who make sense like Karen Delise and doing something about the multiplicity of factors that come together to create the perfect conditions for an attack.

Steve so so well said. It does my head in to see unleashed dogs walking along the street with their owners. Not to mention my poor friend who is trying to rehabilitate her DA dog and is constantly having to deal with idiots who let their dogs rush up to hers on the street. Not to mention the poor drivers who have to deal with having run over someones pet when it rushes across the road having spotted something that takes its fancy. Everyone suffers potentially, the dog, the owner and the the poor unsuspecting motorist. Then if you try and tell people to put their dog on a lead they just tell you to f** off. I wish I could on the spot fine everyone I found walking their dog off leash on the street. Drives me mental. Not to mention these idiots give dog owners a bad name and mean yet more laws get introduced.

I watched a sad episode of one of those animal cop shows. They rescued 4 fighting pitbulls from a wretched place where other souls had been clubbed to death and buried in the front yard for not winning their fights presumably. The animal behaviourist at the shelter said the dogs were typical of the many fighting pitbulls she saw (who have not just been bred but trained god knows how for the job), she handled the dog all over quite forcefully on the tv and said a human could do anything to this dog, no problems there, the reason these dogs were sadly euthanased was their reaction to other dogs not people. Of course there are rogue dogs of any breed but there is usually a large element of human input into making them human aggressive. From memory, Karen Delise's book also has an interesting history of how the media has portrayed "dangerous breeds" over the centuries from the "blood thirsty bloodhound" through the collie, the GSD (who was apparently redeemed by Rin Tin Tin), dobermans, rottweilers and the latest victim pitbulls. In America where the welfare shelters deal with pitbulls on a much greater scale and fighting ones at that I think you will find a great deal of sadness at how these dogs are treated.

This is something I think is such a key factor too you see threads on here where people won't go out won't walk their dogs for fear of what might happen. I have had at least 2 friends who have become so anxious about their dogs perceived aggression towards other dogs that when you talk to them it is as if it is 100% guaranteed every time they step outside the door something will happen. People get scared to walk their dogs at all or they end up walking them at 4.00 am or midnight to avoid meeting anyone. And of course, given that animals sense fear, it can become a self-fullfilling prophecy, the more anxious they are the more, likely that anxiety is to travel down the lead and the less likely that you are to be a strong leader. I think training tools, like the prong, used under supervision, can give people back some sense of control, lessen the anxiety and that cannot but be positive in terms of the person-dog relationship.

I am starting to think that that there must be one really bad "trainer" out there somewhere who just recommends putting every troublesome dog to sleep that they meet. I don't know where this "trainer" is but I think that rather than throwing around PP or correction based, I would rather call them "incompetent". I believe sometimes PTS is the only option but I bet that it is a very rare option for good trainers and a considered decision based on owner ability as well as dog's issues. Yet again only last week I hear of someone who was told their 18 month old spaniel was beyond repair, no "why don't you get a second opinion", "can I refer you to someone else", just "put the dog down". Sorry this is off topic slightly, back on topic, I have a prong used under supervsion of K9 pro to rehabilitate my prey driven (well skateboard driven) stafford x. And guess what it worked. Like Shell I could have waived a steak under my dog's face but once he saw a skateboard, thought he heard a skateboard, or was in an area where he knew there might be skateboards he couldn't have given a stuff about food, or me... We now walk on a martingale. I had 4.5 years of my arms being pulled out of my socket and have now had 2 years of loose leash walking, I know which I prefer. IMO A good trainer/behaviourist uses what is right for the dog. For the record I have recommended other people to Steve (K9Pro) to whom he has said a prong collar is not the appropriate tool for their dog (even though they might have wanted one). It's not just slap a prong on and bob's your uncle. It is about working out what is right for the dog and the owner with the issues and capabilities that they have.

Well said Aziah, I couldn't agree more. Anyone who joins a pure breed forum dedicated to responsible breeding and states that they've bred a breed of dog that they can't even spell correctly and then implies that the reason they want to bring in a rare breed is to make money out of the puppies should expect to be questioned about their motives. Deshonko already has that market cornered

An ESS (or other similarly coated dog) has a double coat. I have ESSs visit my house on a regular basis. If grooming isn't kept up, they are hairy beasts!! Leave the dead hair on the dog (as opposed to stripping or clipping) and you'll soon think you own a yak. Even the head gets hairy. Of course the working line ESS's have far less coat but arent' as common as show line dogs. Here's a sample article: Linky And another linky My Dad has always had Welsh Springers at home in the UK for nigh on 50 years. I spent a lot of a recent holiday on grooming and neatening up cart horse feet on George, Dad's current dog, as Dad doesn't do it as often as he should. I brushed him every day for 2 weeks and there was still shed loads of coat coming out. If you don't keep on top of it they can look very messy. They need regular clipping to keep between pads and toes from growing large tufts which mat and pick up crap. Being a pet we also trim feathers (furnishings) on legs, under body, tail and ears. You don't get that smooth ear look without stripping. George current dog also has ear issues and needs regular ear maintenance. We have had a variety of temps with our dogs, George is a great family dog, but his previous male was extremely dominant (probably not typical of the breed tho more a one off adn my father's laissez faire attitude!) and one of our bitches when I was young hated toddlers and small children (even though she was raised with youngish kids), I think it was a lines and nerves thing though as several of the other pups were very wary around strangers as was, we found out the sire. IMO Welshies are less feathered than English, Brittany's are definitely lighter build and lighter on the hair. Brittanys are nice looking dogs. ETA: George gets at least 1.5 hours exercise a day but could probably take more. Dad being retired can exercise him more, our dogs when young got less and were a lot more destructive

See he owes his landlord $25,000 too. and a dangerous drug charge (not sure what that means exactly thought it was normally possession of a controlled substance). Shame that DOL is mentioned the way it is, to me it almost implies they were the only source of the online advertising, but maybe that's my interpretation.

National breaking news Man charged over puppy fraud POLICE have charged a Gold Coast man who allegedly scammed $100,000 out of potential buyers for pure-bred British bulldog pups. Police allege the man ripped off dozens of customers, none of whom ever saw the pups they ordered online or got refunds for deposits of thousands of dollars. The 41-year-old from Pacific Pines was arrested on Wednesday after an investigation by Coomera detectives into complaints from around Australia and overseas. The man is due to appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on September 28 on numerous fraud offences and a dangerous drug charge. It's believed the fraud charges cite a total of more than $100,000. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/natio...1#ixzz0yFuEdeBn ETA: I believe this person has been the subject of previous threads here.

Steve, is the discussion about definition of "puppy farmer" designed to bring byb under the umbrella? Whilst not for a minute negating the large or organised commercial enterprise issue, IMO a large amount of the problems comes from joe blow public throwing (either deliberately or simply through lack of desexing) two dogs together and either selling or giving away the progeny. Giving an example of a breed I am familiar with I would bet my bottom dollar that the thousands of "staffies" who end up in pounds each year are largely not bred by the DD brigade or large enterprises but by BYB. I have had people approach me when walking my DESEXED staffy cross and ask if I am going to breed with him (on one occasion they called him a her ). I think this is a huge issue in terms of dog welfare and can only hope this would be part of any deliberations. That said, I just do not see how it could be policed, short of door knocking. There are thousands of dogs out there in suburbia having miserable lives without their owners necessarily being breeders for profit.

? There are more people breaking the law than following it, if that were the case. Many people don't have 15 metres length of dwelling space in Sydney? I'm confused. I have two of my own dogs and sometimes two fosters - should they not be allowed to sleep in the house? This just seems bizarre, as we all know, there are enough threads on here stating that dogs at minimum should be kept as inside/outside dogs, because it is considered better from a pysychological point of view, especially with some breeds who would not do well outside at all. What if you have 3 pugs (or any brachy breed for that matter) and live in Northern NSW? They could potentially die from being kept 15 metres from a dwelling if the heat got too much And as someone else noted, inner city people often dont' have 15 metres of garden. I don't (though I only have one dog).

A very long time if you build resistance to extinction. Thanks, I think I must be jetlagged, I do know they don't get a reward unless they find something, so I am not sure why I wondered where the reward was as they were still searching. I am definitely blaming my jetlag over my stupidity!! Do they ever give them a win, if there has been no find for some time, ie set up a find? Scent detection fascinates me but I know very little about it bar what I have seen on TV (and we all know how accurate TV can be at times )

What if they don't find anything though? How long can you sustain the momentum?

Agree with both these comments. I like the fact that my dog has drive, I wouldn't consider getting a dog that didn't have some level of drive and I only want a dog as a pet, and I believe I can fulfill his drive related needs. Dad's dog is a lovely pet dog, a springer spaniel (a breed widely used in scent detection) but I struggle to find any discernable level of drive in him. Obviously that is partly to do with my inexperience, but here is a bird dog who doesn't even really find birds interesting, with only a passing interest in toys and no interest in food. He is a lovely dog, but he has no pizzazz I think a scent dog trainer would have a much better chance training my medium drive stafford cross as a reliable scent detection dog than Dad's dog who is a breed known for scent detection abilities.

Off the topic of Steve Austin but on the topic of working dogs, having just undertaken the marathon flights back and forth to the UK I was lucky enough to see working dogs both at Heathrow and at Sydney. The Heathrow ones were interesting as they are off lead (working line springers or cockers) the handlers were just strolling through the airport, not sure whether they were actually actively working but they were sure sniffing every bin, plant pot etc in sight, without commands from the handlers and didn't seem to be working for a toy or anything obvious. Sydney I saw the beagles (I had heard too about them being chosen not only for scenting ability but also social "acceptability) and had a close encounter with a lab (do they target the crotch on purpose ). Someone commented on working dogs being lean, I actually thought it was great to see a really honed lab, he seemed to be working for praise alone as there was definitely no prey item given. I love seeing dogs with jobs

I have attended Steve Austin's one day Dangerous Dogs TAFE course. He was an interesting and entertaining presenter. We got to take a bite both from Chilli (his wife's border collie) and one of Steve's working dogs in progress (a Malinois). Went home high on adrenaline but with a few bruises . I also heard him speak on scent detection at the NDTF conference. I have a friend who has attended his wife's puppy classes and says that they are very good, much better than previous classes at vets my friend has attended. So I think there is a large degree of knowledge there and, as others have said, he is distinguished in his training of dogs for scent work. I too don't agree with the PIAA stance but that is his personal choice at the end of the day doesn't automatically make him a bad dog trainer. Not a fan of boarding training but I believe the program at Pet Resorts includes a training session for owner and dog at the end of the stay.

Guilty as charged officer (the bolded bit) and unfortunately some of us are born "coordinationally challenged" and it's not something that is easy to change. Doesn't mean I don't like to play tug with my dog though. Hell I am never going to be an expert, my dog doesn't target my hands, but he is faster than me, and occassionally i get a nip, does that mean I should never be playing tug because I am not good enough and am unlikely to ever be??? Seems kind of elitist. I think the gloves are a good idea, do they come in red And Erny I like the gardening idea, have we tested them for durability against spider bites though

I think it's a combnation of big dog and camera angle??? I dont know, in all my pics of Kimba he looks the same. Kimba's a big dog, but not what I would call 'massive'. Though I tend to breed ASD on the upper limit of the standard - bcz that's the way I like them and think they should be Kimba is 31" at shoulder and weighs 66kg, his younger brother Yahsi was bigger, this is him at 12 months - 33", 67kgs. (I'm sure his owner wont mind, I think they both look beautful in this photo ) What a beautiful pic :D

I put mine (well my dogs) on my neck and popped it before I used it. Didn't mind it actually Seriously, for me I think if used under supervision as part of a training plan prongs definitely have their place. I rarely had to actually pop mine when using it and it sure helps make life easier if you inherit a dog with issues, not everyone has their dog from a pup and the opportunity to teach loose lead walking from the get go.

Currently no, because imports are UKC registered. If they were imported from Europe and FCI registered, then there would be possibility of breed recognition. In the interim you can alway show a rough coat Anatolian! Is that the camera angle or is that one massive dog? I know Anatolian are big but that looks massive. I wouldn't go in that field and I love dogs Beautiful though, whats the height and weight range.

I have a friend that runs a lab, a rottie and a small poodle cross together with no probs, the poodle x is in charge and referees play between the 2 big ones, they are extremely careful around him But seriously, that is a case of individuals, and more generally speaking I agree you need to look at ancestry. My stafford x's favourite "dogs" are people he would love a huge pack of people . He is a sulker if I bring other dogs into the house, though he doesn't mind the odd play with known dogs at other people's houses. It is a consideration for me for future dogs if I plan on getting more than one, although it is hard to go past the terrier spunk

Mine is in my will and I have a willing taker and a back up plan just in case. We also have a plan for dad's dog. Of more concern for me is if both my sisters and Oh's got hit by a meteorite I would suddenly become a mother to 6 children on 2 continents I think I would rather have 6 dogs than 6 children, but at the end of the day you do what is necessary