Nic.B

Yes. Police and council do not make public statements via any media for no reason at all. Plan B will be in anytime soon.

After all of these pages and great advice you probably do not need any more! I have house trained lots of dogs and find the 'tricky' ones are those often easily distracted when taken outside. They fluff about for ages and if there is any distraction (at all) they forget about toileting (even though they are ready and I know they need to go). At times I have to wait until new dogs wee and poo more than once, which does take a while to begin with though it is ok :) a good start and you build up from there. Pers mentioned early on that he may be stressed once you leave. If he is stressed (crate poos) the poos will be runny or not in normal form. Also I know it is difficult, though the more relaxed and laid back you in crating, toileting and training the more stable your dog will feel. If you are stressed he will pick up on that. I would look into SA. If you have the time pm SAS who is a member and has great advice re SA. Good luck! Your little boy is lucky to have such a devoted owner :)

Mup you crack me up :laugh: Elizabeth Nelson

and do get assistance with this ... the little dog is 'middle aged', has anxiety and is confused .... Do you know exactly how/where she was housed previously ? Knowing that would help with her rehab. a great deal, I think I am not sure if I have missed something Pers though she has lived in a kennel environment going by the OP. Does she suffer from anxiety? If so, I have missed that as well OP has said this...... "I have to address her separation anxiety from me as she will not stay outside unless I am there, she will not stay in any room that I am not in I have had her on Canine Tranquility meds from the petshop, but as this anxiety appears to be getting worse, it's time I think to talk to my vet." The behaviour is average and to be expected :) Some people put it down to SA.

I honestly do not want to appear to be dismisive, though five weeks is a very small period of time (going by your current posts) in settling a new dog (mid aged in a great NEW environment). I have fostered goodness knows how many dogs (impounded) and every single one follows me from room to room until they get into the groove here. Honestly, I have to say if my fosters didnt follow me around and look to me (at least for a little while) I would feel worried!

and do get assistance with this ... the little dog is 'middle aged', has anxiety and is confused .... Do you know exactly how/where she was housed previously ? Knowing that would help with her rehab. a great deal, I think I am not sure if I have missed something Pers though she has lived in a kennel environment going by the OP. Does she suffer from anxiety? If so, I have missed that as well

Quote: "I have tried everything the books etc tell you to do. For example putting her out after feed and allowing access to outside at all times, apart from the night time" Your new dog is unfamiliar with toileting outside, it is a completely new experience for her. She has lived in a kennel environment, this is a new experience for her. Are your simply putting her outside and expecting her to toilet on her own? You need to stay with her to encourage her to toilet, reward her and to make sure she has toileted. I would invest in a crate (for overnight) and make it really special for her :) ETA

Yes, this is great advice along with Dogmad and DOLers. Limiting any distractions while toileting worked well (for me) with fosters who were particularly distracted (new surrounds etc) other than toileting. If I had a particularly distracted foster I often toileted them with my mature Kelpie female and kept things very relaxed, calm and simple. Knowing their bladder (I know it sounds stupid) also helps as an easily distracted dog may wee a tiny bit (not emptied) and become interseted in something else. At times I waited for 20 mins or more to ensure their bladder was empty :laugh: to begin with (first few days) an easily distracted foster would wee four times or so (in between other things) before I knew they were sorted. If your little one has previously toileted in her pen in a kennel environment it is all about showing and supporting her to toilet differently than what she has been familiar with so far. Consistancy is key :) A concerted effort with regular opportunities to toilet, reward (low tonned and relaxed yes, good girl etc while your dog "actualy" toilets)and afterwards upbeat, happy rewards (food, pats, verbal praise etc)

Which one? Do you mean the knuckle head DD? or a good kennel? I never knew this one was even there to be honest. It is not far from me though I will have to google or something to find out exactly.

I was driving home after spending time at Fagan Park with the kids and my foster dog today. The road home between Glenorie and Maralyala is very bendy so it is not unusual to get stuck behind a bunch of cars doing 20km. I thought that was the issue, then thought it was bike riders, nope, two stunning perfectly clipped Standard Poodles in clear panic running all over and across the road. Everyone stayed clear and slowed down though not one person stopped. I pulled over and called them over (I was lucky as I still had my training pouch) They came when called and sat for me,the female kept her distance until I slipped a lead over her friend. Gorgeous dogs and clearly very treasured. Both had collars and tags so I called the owners (who live in an affluent area on the North Shore) The owner was so distraught as she had paid to board her dogs while they were away. Not long afterwards and during the phone conversation a woman comes down on a buggy, grabs my phone and says to the owner "don't panic, they were just going to the training area" I said "No, both dogs were running loose in a panic a long way up the road" "I am suprised they were not hit" and I asked her for my phone back. She handed me the phone and while still on her buggy she grabs the leads from me. Both dogs freaked and were in a panic at the end of the leads. I took the dogs back (for their own welfare) and said I would walk the dogs back myself and follow her. Both dogs were clearly distressed, I would shoot someone for treating my dogs in any similar manner. I followed her with both dogs who were well trained and walked at heel. She drives into a paddock and yells at both dogs to get inside I walked through the gate and asked both dogs to sit, rewarded them, slipped the leads off and rewarded again. The (sorry I have to say this) dumb ass knuckle head then said to me "you should not reward other peoples dogs"!! Oh, ok dogs you are boarding are running the streets, you then attempt to drag them behind your buggy/mower, lie to their owners and now it is wrong to reward with food There are some fantastic boarding kennels in my area though seriously stay clear of this one!

Nightmare as an employee PD. I could not/will not work with that at all. I have kennel experience in different environments. Working in a shelter environment was no different for me. There is NO excuse in terms of the OP.

Aww thanks :) I have to say when the dogs are with me they are like my own, if there are any concerns at all their owners are contacted immediately, even if it isn't a need to see the vet emergency situation. I treat others and their dogs as I would wish myself and mine to be treated. That means their physical and mental health are equally important. I go into the kennels multiple times throughout the night if there are storms and I have known storm phobic dogs, There are genuine people who really do care. The ones that don't yep they can be shut down :) I agree. Oso the people who board their dogs with you are very lucky, I too wish you were in the big smoke :)

How sad Communication is vital in any kennel environment, there is no room for error, not for a split second. "Thinking" or "believing' an area is vacant is simply not good enough, you have to be 100% sure. In terms of the amount being asked for I do believe they should be compensated well over the price of getting another dog. They probably had to pay for other flights, cancel their holiday, they are having counciling etc. I would be distraught if this were one of my dogs and would never forgive myself despite doing everything possible to ensure my dog was safe, well cared for and happy. Sometimes hitting people in the hip pocket is the only way to get some action.

There are a lot of variables.... In terms of guinea pigs, chooks or rabbits etc, there is a huge difference between a dog entering someones yard and killing other peoples small pets, than the situation you described above (the idiot owner of the rabbit and the bird). Attacks upon other dogs is always taken very seriously, and needs to be IMO. I have met dogs at my local shelter who have been impounded as they have killed chooks or a guinea pig/rabbit. If they have entered someone elses property to do so, and the owner of that property puts in a complaint, the dog may be impounded. Generally speaking these dogs are allowed to go home with 'rules" and may have a nuisance order placed upon them. If they have entered a property to kill a cat, it is considered more serious. Keep in mind also that each council area have different Bi Laws and Policies.

Yes, there is no room for error here and you need to act quickly. As others have said, speak with the RSPCA and the Police (Anne's contact). Take them off the site and get them into care urgently. I would be worried these people may take things into their own hands so you and your family and other pets could be at risk. Don't speak with or aggrivate these people. Do you know the person who is adopting the blue boy? You will have to be careful these people don't get someone to adopt on their behalf. I don't want to scare you, it just that stranger things have happened. You poor thing, after everything you have done for this little family. They are gorgeous! and a credit to you :)

Dog theft in the Hawkesbury and Hills area has most certainly been an issue. Far more than three dogs have been stolen (as written in that article). As I live in the area I spoke with police and they stated very clearly it was fighting related. I have no idea how or why the police know this, they most certainly would not make statements like this without very good reason. I do agree that there is probably a fair bit of hype. Best thing to do is make sure your dogs are safe and out of view. Speak with your neighbours, keep an eye out and communicate anything untoward.

How rude! Why not look it up yourself? ETA Wow. Just wow. This is an information sharing forum - you could say 'look it up' to every post! Why don't you just pop me on ignore. Kthanks. Your response was rude. You are not worth the effort "to pop on ignore'.

How rude! Why not look it up yourself? ETA

What local area in QLD TT?

Yes I am not sure what suggests humans are involved, though foxes only take the head and neck (most often). If you were not familiar with the above I can understand people believing humans are responsible as it is a terrible site.

Sorry, though is this post genuine?

Rude Yes, very rude I am sorry Aiden. I hope you dont encounter the same person again. ETA I mean the person with the fearful dog.

This thread makes me feel grateful I dont visit off lead parks!

It has been a major issue in the Hawkesbury and Hills districts Kirty. Confirmed by police (dog fighters stealing dogs). The story about marking houses has been going around for years apparently and has not been relevant here. Really worrying I agree. Perhaps pop into bunnings and get a really good quality lock that is easy to open/lock for your gate. Mine are all inside if I go out. Two are crated, two with their legs in the air on the couches.

and besides the "special" one who likes to stand next to my desk and just creepily touch things with his nose, they're kind of hard to notice- :laugh: