mita

This is the kind of thing I do. I get a bowl of warm water & a cotton facewasher. I just put a few drops of the highly concentrated NilOdor (from supermarket) in the water. I dip the facewasher & squeeze it nearly dry. Then rub thro' the coat. It doesn't actually wet their coat, but sloughs off any dirt and leaves the dog smelling great.

This is right. Prisoners convicted of violent crimes against people....that are cruel & callous...often were sadistically cruel to animals when young. When 4 soldiers were convicted up north for unspeakable cruelty to a kitten, they were ordered by the court to do voluntary work at the local animal shelter. Who said, 'No bloody way!' or something similar. The Army threw them out. Indifference to an animal's suffering or deliberately causing it... are signs of lack of empathy. Likely to be the way they'd treat humans, too. Get him a psych assessment while in prison... but don't give him animals.

Bis Pectin is a great old & still current human treatment for diarrhoea. From the chemist. I wonder if it's similar? Ingredients are: Each 15mL contains Codeine Phosphate 8.1mg, Light Kaolin 1.9g, Dried Aluminium Hydroxide 375mg, Pectin 120mg) I agree with poodlemum, about the old remedies. They worked when people had to use things close to hand. It's interesting to go back & look at them.

As it's people specific legislation (a damn good idea)...the rangers that enforce it, should be dogs. Could provide retirement jobs for police dogs. I thought Robbi's post said it all.

There was a tip on DOL that a good way to give a dog a pill was in a dob of ice-cream. I found that was no-fail, no-fuss. Just gulped down, with the dog looking for more. Tried it on the puss, too, & it worked!!!!!!!

I wish they'd apply the blow-torch....& fines....for the owners who set up these incidents to happen. I saw a bloke ahead of me walking from the shops with his ridgie-type dog running free. I lurked with our small dogs, on leads, around the corner of a building, because I had no idea how his dog would react. Then I saw coming down a joining street, a young mother with a pram & with a nice black staffie on a lead. Now these 2....were going to come around a corner & meet face to face. God knows what the loose ridgie-type dog would do, confronted with the staffy. It was like watching a train wreck about to happen. Fortunately, the mum paused to adjust something in the pram & it took her a few minutes. By that time, the bloke & his dog had disappeared along the street, she was going to turn into.

I should've mentioned we have a leash-free park in the next suburb which is divided so the smaller ones can be on their own. Must take my girls there one day! But overall I agree with you that it's an owner's call on what their dog can tolerate re going to a dog park or not. And to keep an eagle eye on what's happening if they do. I like how you'll put a lead on your dog & then do a lap or two with a smaller dog. That's so like what we do on the walking track, isn't it. Because I often get the feeling that once the on-lead controlled introduction has been done....it'd be OK to take leads off.

We had a female dog that would do this, but she'd make a whimpering noise. I'll see if I can find a link to the published study. Meanwhile, here's a slightly longer account with a pic of Pango, a black lab that took part. http://www.odt.co.nz/on-campus/university-...now-how-we-feel Also says Assoc. Prof Ruffman has another study maybe coming up. Another, which still required ethical approval, would look for the presence of the stress hormone cortisol in dog saliva. That'd help measure dogs' reactions rather than just implying from behaviour. University of Otago's Dpt of Psychology lists Associate Professor Ted Ruffman's research interests as: Social understanding in infants, children, older adults, and dogs.

I got a tip from DOL, ages back. Put the pill in a dob of ice-cream. I've found that a no-fail.

I shouldn't be surprised that Bob has such a lovely family. In the middle of a situation that must be bringing back the shock & grief, they took time to thank the police for their work. He was indeed a wonderful man who'll always be missed.

I thought it was great. Good on you for trying to do something proactive. Your last paragraph is actually a spot-on summary that could be applied to all problem situations with dogs.

Yes, I've used this with a sheltie following a tummy upset. Right...available only from vets.

Spot on! If serious dog bites/attacks could be investigated under relevant criteria, then a lot could be learned about preventing them.

You're funny there is no judicial review process for the rspca, you couldn't tell anyone what you thought it was last time you were asked, care to share this time? Yes, the Judicial Review Act Qld. Next step after appeal to the Minister & that is found usatisfactory. And now I'll put you back on ignore. Awww, you really do love me mita, you keep taking me off ignore ;) If that works then why haven't any of the solicitors involved in any of the cases been able to make progress. Do you know that because the rspca isn't a government organisation they can't be investigated by the usual government review? I don't think you are aware, otherwise why would educated solicitors not be able to do what you suggest, do you think they are all dumdums? It's not that I love you or hate you, jdavis. I find you're emotionally negative. And, in fact, you approach most things from a platform of needy emotion. An example, you've been given the process & you didn't go and read it. If you did, you'd find a definition in the Qld process, that fits.

That's a good question, Molly. You're right about that. She could seek explanation as being affected by a decision.

You're funny ;) there is no judicial review process for the rspca, you couldn't tell anyone what you thought it was last time you were asked, care to share this time? Yes, the Judicial Review Act Qld. Next step after appeal to the Minister & that is found unsatisfactory. And now I'll put you back on ignore.

Molly, I was giving my reason why I wasn't reaching a conclusion, either of condemnation or support re the 2nd issue in this saga....the death of the horse. Not saying that the RSPCA had to let me personally see the vet records. However, note my final sentence about the judicial review process.

Once more with feeling....the situation re adoption cost was resolved. A clear statement was made that there'd been poor customer service. Next move was a local decision of a veterinary nature to return the horse to the RSPCA with a vague media report referring to some necessity to make health OK for adoption. I've said I want to see veterinary notes on which that decision was based. And then on the period of 'care' until the horse was PTS for colic. The notes I'd like to see as evidence are those of a professional, not an administrator...at this point. I'd need documented evidence to draw a conclusion. If I were the owner of the horse, I'd make use of the judicial review process.

Case by case, issue by issue has to be worked thro'. It's evidence that allows for reaching conclusions. Your second statement is an over-generalisation.

Again, I disagree. He certainly seems to either have no control over the cowboys in the outfit, has no idea what they are doing, or simply chooses to pay lip service to those that question. He indicated, accurately, that when the woman took the insistence on payment issue further....that it had not been good customer service. A resolution was in train. Then came the issue of the genesis of a health problem leading to PTS. For which I'd like to see the vet notes evidence.

Again, I disagree.

I take each issue as it comes & look for evidence before reaching a conclusion. A summary: A woman has fostered a horse for a lengthy period for the local RSPCA. Understandably comes to love it. Decides to adopt it. Is told by the local RSPCA that the adoption cost will be $500. I would've paid that.....just as I've insisted on paying the registered breeders who wanted to give me their retired showdogs for nothing. Just my personal value....something I wouldn't impose on everyone else. So the woman was right to have a different value.....that she'd fostered for so long that surely she could just adopt. I've no quibble in her speaking out & getting support for her view. A newspaper even offering to pay the sum. The issue is taken up by the CEO who accurately says what's happened is sure not good customer service. Then matters are in train for a resolutiion. No hanging offences for anyone, so far, is my conclusion. Then a turn of events, for which I'd like details of evidence. The horse is taken back to the RSCPA with media report vaguely saying that matters had to be attended to so its health was OK for adoption. After a period of being in their care, the report is that the horse had to be PTS for colic. There's no evidence in the media report of actual vet-reported details of what this 'health' trail was. So I haven't reached any conclusion on this part of the story. I'd need to know what veterinary notes said on the genesis of the horse's condition.

A 'Yes' to the above. The authorities should use criteria for assessing culpability in dog attacks, like the police do for traffic accidents. And first on that list should be Owner Error. Very sad how that child has been injured & the stress on his family's resources.

Yes, as I said previously, I'd like to know about the genesis of the condition, in this case.

Mark Lawrie, the president of the Australian Veterinary Association, said Australia tended to be overly restrictive of dogs compared to other societies. ''Allowing dogs in cafes fits with where we are at - times have changed, we're much better at controlling our animals and the smiles far outweigh the frowns when dogs are around,'' he said. That's a good quote to use when lobbying the Qld Gov to reconsider allowing dogs to be included in outdoor cafes.