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I wouldn't describe this dog as confident if he did show this behaviour as well as growling at the kennel manager in a strange situation. You need to probably have someone assess this dog as he could be fear aggressive in some circumstances. yes but how to emulate ? dog has shown no fear in any other situation. I have organised to take this dog to some kennels, take into the pen, reward and then take him out again and home with a play in between. The thing is I have no way of knowing what may have gone on in a kennel situation previously. Apparently the last time at the vet for desex there were no problems, it wasn't that long ago, dog was put in kennel then with no problem. This time came for green dream, could the dog have picked up the angst at home, was the dog put in an enclosed place and yelled at ( for breaking the fly screen mesh) Actually, we have been teaching retrieve and what a hoot in no time at all the game is on, retrieving everything, offering behaviour all over the place. It is a smart dog. Worked out very quickly that a retrieve meant a cuddle and reward so bringing everything ( not rewarded for that) very exciting to see a smart dog thinking and also very quickly working out what was to be done to get the reward. Met more men today..not a problem, must be the kennel. Thanks anyway

that really is what I am feeling, obviously I will work with the dog and supervise his settling into a home if needed by then. I can't see an aggressive bone in his body, that's why I am stumped. He appeared to be a super confident dog( but no manners, no training in his life) All dogs will exhibit some form of stress when confronted with a situation they don't understand. I am really confused.

did you read the post ?

Hi I am turning this over and over in my mind and really would welcome some opinions. ok a beautiful dog went to the vet for the green dream, the dog is 18 months old. The dog was very friendly and happy but a lot scared when led to the kennel to await his fate. The dog has visited the vet regularly and always been a super friendly happy dog to everyone, dog was recently desexed. Ok so said dog kept getting out, broke a few things, ripped a fly screen, destroyed this and that...So a family member of mine who works at the vet said can the dog go to rescue? Dog was surrendered to rescue and was taken home for temporary care till a foster carer could be found. Along I come to do the transfer of this happy go lucky dog, full of fun and energy but very smart and dying to lern some nice manners and some tricks. We taught the dog to chase a ball in no time and to bring it back, to sit to come etc. The dog honestly knew nothing. Dog embraced all this and super long walks with gusto and was very happy to meet anyone as though they were a new best friend. Male, female, dogs, cats, kids all ok, So I took the dog to a kennel where a pick up by a foster carer was arranged. I wasn't really happy about the kennel bit but it was just for an hour or so. Upshot is. I took into the pen, all was well full of cuddles and kisses. I left the kennel, the owner a chap went in with a bed, pointed at the dog saying go to your bed and the dog growled...thats it...no bite, no rush just growled. I feel that the whole situation was out of character for the dog. The mans body language was not the best but he breeds dogs, has boarding and seemed a reasonable chap for the short time I met him. I really don't know what to do...the dog was brought back to us and has since met heaps of men with no problem. Is this an isolated incident? Is this a time bomb if the situation were repeated. Did the dog just not like the man, did the dog think a belting was coming with a raised hand. Was the dog just scared with so many changes in a couple of days. Should we attempt to repeat the process as if the dog is adopted it will some time have to go to kennel. I can do this with kind gentle kennel owners I know who will leave to settle reward and release to a run then I can take home and repeat at a later date for longer. Apparently when at the vet the dog slid on the belly to the vet kennel but showed no animosity and walked in ok. I have spoken to the owners who told me there has never been any growling from this dog...but hey...those of you in rescue know you never believe anything you are told. Appreciate any opinions and if you don't have any I will have another couple of sleepless nights worrying and trying to work it out :cool:

feed him in the car

I am so very sad for you all, such a hard decision, too hard... RIP Jamaica

whatever next ? Yes cruel and dangerous as outlined in the supporting article and I really have to ask the question why? Janba ...what can I say ? train your dog kindly and effectively ozjen when I see stuff like this I think PETA have a point

eau de horse shit and eau de cowpat are dogs favourite perfumes

So how does the dog then know it is doing the right thing ? I don't think you are doing the right thing at all. BTW I don't say "off" I gently push down on the chest with my hand and give masses of cuddles and praise when on the ground. This has worked extrememly well for a heap of fosters in my home with shocking manners. I do let them lap sit at my invitiation if a lap dog but they have to be invited otherwise the same gentle removal. I like that will steal the phrase

yes reward

you could try this dog sniffing..do absolutely nothing, don't move, don't speak. He will eventually do something else, look around, sit, lie down. YOU GO TO HIM and reward with a treat do not call him to you and reward that behaviour. Rev him again for sniffing he must be on lead. repeat. repeat till he is not sniffing, it works, it takes time and patience, in some dogs they have sniffed for over 15 minutes before offering a different behaviour, so you need patience. The second rev may be 10 minutes and so on. When you are down to a few seconds or no seconds play with him, do some tricks to take his mind off his stress

typical trainerhope he is feeling better tomorrow, sending good wishes to get well soon

congratulations to you and Ruby, don't forget to put in for your club title sash, T will tell you how

one of my greatest joys is waching dogs play together and I am always sad for the dogs who are unable to play for one reason or another. There was a massive thread, I think started by K9 sometime ago "neutralisation V socialisation". It was an interesting thread and probably very valuable for those who do not wish their dog to socialise with other dogs and great info there for those of us who do Like Corvus I love Mr G to play, he loves to play too... But if you prefer not to for whatever reason then that is fine. That we have healthy happy dogs is the most important in all this and like training we will differ in opinions.

isn't just you and it is a very strange first post so that one would wonder if it really is a first post poor dogs hopefully they will read cordelias comments and take on board and realise that though their walks are now calming for them that their dogs are not calm at all.

yes it is a yahoo group, works as a list not really as a forum like this one

I'm impresed, thanks for the heads up. I have my dog plan, I have the leads everywhere I have never even thought to desensitise to the alarms in the home. I am always concerned with the bush. So thanks...will get on to all that today and give it a mention at the dog club.

I took a dog in who was piddling himself in rollover, which is why he was sent to the vet to be PTS. He piddled on everything, everywhere but mostly in a submissive roll over. He still sometimes pees with excitement ( like when I returned last week from a trip OS) in pure excitement but it is so rare now as to be of no consequence. I wouldn't allow any loud voices, those and excited voices we increased very gradually. I taught him pee on command in the pee place. He had just been scared, he piddled and was shouted at so he had piddled more and more to show his submission but his owners didn't get it and beat him. I know the situation is slightly different but Mr Guinness did not ever lift his leg but would pee next to new people ( in the big wide world) for a week or so. I fell in love with him and adopted him. I still jokingly call him Mr piddle pot but honestly calm and clear instructions so that he understood what was wanted of him plus a lot of work with lots of socialisation has made him a happy very confident little man. The fear piddling rollover stopped almost immediately he came to me,well in our home...new situations did take a little longer, the piddling in the wrong spot was fixed in a short time by using new puppy training. I am sure the dog you are talking about in this thread just wants to do the right thing and needs some guidance. I actually do get your first post, the throw to the "get a behaviourist" can drive me nuts sometimes as I am sure people are just looking to talk things out. To look for ideas and sometimes just a shoulder to lean on. I live in WA...there is actually just one real behaviourist, there are many who would like to call themselves one. I often think from some of the people I speak to that these "behaviourists" have never studied any animal behaviour in their lives. example...a dog jumping an 8 foot fence, went to behaviourist, give some pills, dog still jumping, taken to vet for green dream, vet nurse called me to see if any rescue groups might be able to help. ummm what about making a secure run or overhang, leaving some toys, some digging pits, some excercise and much more. The dog is still happily living with his mum and I confess was the first time I considered suggesting an electric fence system/collar. A bit of work in the garden and a bit of work to stimulate his mind and body in play and tricks has fixed the problem. Also thanks to whoever gave me the photos on here for that particular fence overhang solution

does he sniff first or just lift his leg ? Is it on any particular clothing or anything goes. Does he always lift his leg to pee ( I have an almost 2yr old male who still squats a lot) Where there other animals around at the time. Where does he normally pee? I would do the pee on command, both my dogs pee on command so at least I know we have an empty bladder when I need it, travel etc. I am guessing also that he got a massive reaction the first time and thought it was pretty cool. I would find the pee place he must go to and take him regularly to that spot, like puppy training all over again and praise and give treats for doing it in the correct place till they get the place right and an on command pee tell them to buy some wellies meantime

someone sent me the link last night and I watched it over and over excellent stuff

Have a chat with Kaye on Monday evening, she takes Nel on Wednesdays.

southern river do ring practice on monday evening, you don't have to wait to join. Gosnells do advanced training on a wednesday evening for competition work.

Gosnells train sunday mornings at Lumen Christie...I think 9 am these days. can easily find out for you, or southern river Monday nights at the canine association. What level are you at?

I can't get the link to work but would love to watch it. Why would the UK style heeling dogs get sore necks??? I try very hard to get that level of attention and up heelwork. These dogs are taught to heel like that from a very yong age, a step at a time and they heel them on both sides so the muscles are even. I wish my dogs could heel like that. I guess you are right as a judge told us they train like that as 8 week old pups, I suppose it is the same as the ladies in Africa with many necklaces round their necks but it makes me feel ill. The handlers also have a way of walking which looks like they have a sixpence between their buttocks The international comp was much nicer and the judge threw in a jump dumbell retrieve which many dogs had not seen before. The judge can use any rules from any country, we told people around that we do that in OZ. Sorry I didn't take any video of obedience, I really didn't enjoy it and left to look at agility in the main arena which was heaps of fun.

Thanks! So you guys are back then? Hope you had a fantastic time!! Sure did here is a pic of the retriever demo, the whole 4 days was mindblowing. I don't really like the UK european heelwork, the dogs ( some of them) must have very sore necks.