Rusky

already purchased but there is a thought not to sell the old ones but to raffle them, might only cost you a dollar :rolleyes: Bunnings sell collapsable compost bins in green mesh you can buy for about $5... buy a few take the ends off and strap them together. A few people I know have done that and they are not particularly robust but excellent for homework

Rusky Not sure how "you" teach D.O.R...........but you do not start off by training it at full distance anyway. You can teach it by throwing food back over dogs head, or, you move to a food target placed behind your dog. When it drops, you release dog back to food target. Dogs will always gravitate towards the reinforcement. Food placed/thrown behind will get the dog to drop quickly and not come forward. The dog should not twist and turn or break from exercise until released. But as we have just found out........its a physically unsound dog so slowing it would be the best option. I was joking about the tennis ball thrower, in fact I am now thinking not a bad thing for some training, might try it for send away :rolleyes: I don't like the throwing the food behind as they twist and with a really fast dog they can damage the cruciate. I didn't know the dog was a little unsound I also didn't realise you were suggesting to slow the dog as I was. The chair will slow the dog and find a perfect position plus makes the dog think.

glad it helped

you want the dog to stop in front not run past? or do you want the dog to almost get there and then turn around to pick up food? what happens when she advances with a drop recall? do you then get one of those tennis ball throwers full of chicken necks and chopped liver to stop the dog halfway?

has to use for a chair or she may get knocked over. When the recall using a wall is perfected she can move away from the wall increasing distance either standing or sitting. It is the stop and sit in front that is not working, using short distance then increasing distance will work. She can do it on the heel too, throw food, run back and call.

Rusky ..... I think they are Denis' links, not Bonmedia's. All the same, I agree. Sounds like a lot of people who are certainly not open to discussion ................ or learning? Yes sorry I realised they were Denis's links later. I looked at the forum and Denis is a member I saw a few of his posts. Wasn't really much about Jan Fennell but it was entertaining reading

Bonmedia just having a read of the links you gave, that forum would give out Troy a run for his money I must read some more. Do you think we all sound like that when people from OS read our site whilst accidentally coming across it? Gee I hope not. What a hoot, looks like guns at dawn

I agree with your comments about your trainers leaving, barkbusters left the seminar I went to. We were just 7 trainers from our dog club at the seminar I attended and absolutely loved the afternoon which encouraged me to attend the foundation course. What I would say about the foundation course is that on that course we were told that to attend the second it is invitational only. I doubt that I or my agility friend would be invited. We had a few trainers at the 2 day course from other parts of the state, one girl said to me 'have you learned anything?' I certainly did not learn anything at all about dog training, it wasn't a motivational dog training course. I learned a lot about myself over the next few days as I assimilated the information. There are aspects of course which we have all been using for donkeys years, some is not anything new. I learned that wolves are not aggressive and that if they are they don't survive even the alphas, that was interesting. There is so much to take in that after the seminar my head was hurting and nothing at all about dog obedience, it wasn't even mentioned. that's right

sit in a chair against a wall treats in hand knees open then gradually move the chair forward, perfect, then stand knees open treats in hand. Use short distances and lengthen you need to perfect the sit in front. He will gradually adjust his speed rather than going straight from a short to a longer distance. Reward for the sit, forget the finish for now just do your regular finish work separately.

yes she did I told you already it is not a training manual, it is information about living with your dog, communicating with your dog. I read a few of her books and then decided to go to a seminar, from that I went to the 2 day foundation course. It would take me a while to explain what I got out of it. I understand that there are people who dislike positive training, I have no idea why. Jan Fennells bonding works absolutely perfectly with positive training. I certainly wasn't her star pupil, I asked too many questions which I think was seen as hackling rather than trying to understand. A girl I know and myself met up by accident at the foundation course and we regularly think things through together. The 'a dog is a dog don't worry about the breed' thing had us in deep discussion during lunch break on the first day. Our question was regarding particular drive say Border collies or GSD whcih have been streamlined for their type of work, the ratters, the herders ,the guardians. It seemed to be a question not previously asked and I am not quite sure we got a satisfactory answer but certainly made her think. She is a very nice lady and not hung up on her fame at all. She doesn't care if people buy her stuff, she does want people to read and make up their own mind, her books are available at the library. The bottom line is that your dog(s) and yourself form a bond through a process of communication which is simple but takes quite a bit of headbanging sometimes to understand then maybe about one particular area the penny drops. We saw one video which had a profound effect on me of a babysitter with some cubs. The cubs were about 6 months old, they were learning skills to help them survive totally protected by the pack. I suddenly realised the expectation we have of a 6 month old puppy. Some pups in our society are already dumped in shelters at 6 months after living in a home for just a couple of months. I have one here now, taken to the vet to be PTS because he rolled over and peed all the time. 24hrs in my home no fear peeing, he has absolutely nothing to be fearful about. I am his babysitter and teacher. I will protect him whilst allowing him to safely explore the world, when he moves to his new home I will try very hard to explain how to behave and will keep in touch. I did all that pre Jan Fennell but she has given me skills and ways to pass the information on, she is a great communicator.

I am so pleased I wandered over to this forum tonight to have a read. Thank you Helen. Thank Dog for Ian Dunbar :D

Buster love absolutely nothing harsh or strict about amichien bonding. If you find dog listeners in your area and contact them ( google) they have books for sale. Jan Fennell suggests using the library to find a copy,you will find it there or you can order it. There are a few books, 'The practical dog listener" is also a good book to order, read in conjunction with 'The dog listener'. There are DVD's too. The one from the ABC shops are not the same as the ones on her own website. she does watch videos yes... however a lot of her year is spent in Yellowstone national Park. Basically you have not understood the book She is not a dog trainer, does not describe herself as a dog trainer...The bonding is about living happily with your dog. Total bonding needs to be in place before training, it is separate. If you are wanting to have fun with dog sport or compete in obedience then happy home life needs to be in place first.

registration is on Thursday at 7pm on the bottom oval at Canine

I think Kavik you are seeing the body language calming signals... licking lips, avoidance by blinking and turning away,yawning, panting, startled eyes, arc movement, trying to sit, sniffing the ground etc. Some dogs on the show are very stressed, they show it in every aspect of their body language. Then he says 'there we have a susbmissive dog' they are showing all the signals to make it stop.

there are heaps of articles, this is one about early socialisation http://www.diamondsintheruff.com/earlysocialization.html Ian Dunbar has written some great stuff and I should have the links but can't find them, if I find them I will pm you. Some people do take puppies to the ground choosing to risk disease against an unsocialised pup, many others take the pup to the ground but don't let their feet touch the ground. All of the people I am speaking of have identical dog education they just prefer not to take a risk and it is a personal choice. There is so much you can do without putting the puppy at risk of disease. I see so many ill socialised adult dogs but a lot of the damage has been done when they were tiny pups. I would never buy a pup from anyone who didn't raise the litters in the home, preferably with children and lots of normal social activity within that home. Socialisation starts at birth and continues on.

The sporn is a quick fix and with a sporn you can teach your dog not to pull. Sas the one you sent me is borrowed over and over again to help people. People like to do their own thing, people who ask in pet shops need to be given sensible advice. Crysti if it is a short snout flat faced dog like a boxer don't sell a halti or gentle leader, sell a sporn... If anyone has any trouble fitting them then pm me and I will put you in touch with someone who can help them to fit it... for free. Tell them they can't rely on it for ever, they need to do some work with the dog. I think that is what most people are saying.if they come to ask advice then that is a great step and I hate it when people go to buy stuff from the pet shop, spend a fortune when all they really needed was something simple. It really is always better if possible to teach off lead walking by your side in the garden before going to see the great distractions...

here is a good article on raising siblings http://www.caninedevelopment.com/Sibling.htm

yes and Nova sent me a text :cool:

they told me different

absolutely timing is a curse to teach. I know that the other guys have just as much trouble teaching timing as anyone else. Sometimes people get it immediately, others struggle and I have no idea why.When they do get it, they know.... I constantly try to come up with ideas for teaching correct timing to those who struggle, they need lots of positive reinforcement and encouragement ( I mean the handlers) cosmolo why are you asking me if I use head collars? In bold print no less I have used head collars, I prefer not to. If someone comes along to class with one on I always remove it. I prefer a flat collar always, a good collar with a buckle preferably and a nice lead which is webbed or leather and long. I like long leads. I like treat bags full and fists full of high value treats and all this after a long long chat about their needs, their desires and their lifestyle. I need to know how much interaction they have with their dog, if it is an inside or outside dog. How much time they spend together, other animals in the home, other people, children, old people in the home. Heaps and heaps of stuff. Nothing is isolated is it? How you live with your dog, any breed specific requirements like muzzles in public, sighthounds, terriers, hunters, retrievers etc etc. Erny I am a stayer BTW I hope you have a lovely Christmas and a happy new year.

did they tell you that?

there weren't any hobbles or beatings, no screaming horses, no blood or sweat..... you disagree that's fine. Maybe you should go to Monty roberts website... I believe he has one... I can find you the link or you can google it.

she wasn't even there when wolves were first reintroduced to Yellowstone. your beliefs are wrong

Tony are you saying he hobbles and ties? Are you saying that the training DVD was contrived and that really he punishes the horses?

Twasn't Tess...Twas me. It is my understanding that you can't get a -R without first applying a +P apologies to Tess so? did you fall asleep? And... it wasn't me who brought up the horses, was someone else. I was just responding.... I do that. I didn't read any of Monty Roberts books. I just watched and listened to him doing a training session from a DVD brought to the course.I have however just been talking on the phone with my mate... who breaks in like Monty, not because of him just because there was a better way....... I train dogs using positive reinforcement because I knew there was a better way than positive punishment. You can't see that, thats ok. I just agree with the RSPCA and disagree with Mark. I don't like the RSPCA , but I like their stance on training.