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We have a couple of pedigree databases that are helpful, but a few years ago a wonderful book was published called 'from France with love' by joe gentzel which provides photos and pedigree data (including info such as COI among other things ) on a huge number of influential dogs in my breed (and yes a lot in my own dogs pedigrees). I love pedigree research and it can take a bit of detective work at times. I have my own database (I use 'Breedmate') and put everything I research in there. Most of what I have goes back at least 10 generations for all my dogs now, and working on going further.

Then you will need to go to Canberra if that is what you are after. As mentioned, the closest would be BDOC in Mitchell.

If you are concerned about particular dogs running loose, then call the council ranger. The spread of the population in a rural area can make things more difficult, but in my experience if people let them know about particular problems, they will generally act. They can't be everywhere all the time, so rely on the public to inform them of issues.

Lots of dogs can't be offlead. There is a saying in my breed that an offlead Pyr is a disapyr :laugh: . Many dogs spend their lives being always onlead in public areas. And no, they are not in any way 'missing out' and they definitely have plenty of fun! And it can be a case (as it seems to be in this one) that the more you think the dog should have 'freedom' the more you are responsible for the dog having that taken away from it - to a greater extent than if some reasonable controls were applied in the first place.

14 months is the minimum agility age at CDC. Thanks. I was drawing a blank!! Darn memory..

The classes run by Yass vet include classes for older dogs (I know because I run them and am actually teaching two classes right now ;-) ). And yes they are fun, but we don't have equipment to do formal training in Agility and Flyball etc. To do that you have to go to clubs that have invested in the equipment etc. The clubs will not let you train over a lot of the equipment with young dogs and from what I remember (without looking it up - it has been quite a few years since I taught Agility at CDC) the dogs generally have to be over 12 months or more (they can not compete in Agility until over 18 months) and display a certain level of obedience (eg being able to follow commands and come when called with distractions such as other strange dogs around)

I beleive there may be a club in Goulburn that may run basic classes but I don't have the details - hopefully someone can provide. (ETA Goulburn Dog Training and Kennel Club) There are puppy socialisation (generally up to 12 weeks of age) and beginners obedience classes (over 12 weeks of age) run at the Yass Vet Hospital (PM me if you want more info). If you want to go on and do Agility though, I don't know of anything local except for the clubs etc in Canberra.

Ummm - if you don't want to take the dog to the pound and don't want to report it, then what do YOU think you should do ......

Frankly, you can only do so much. The owner needs to abide by the law. And if they are not going to listen regarding their dog then I would be keeping well away and well out of the issue.

Yes I would report the dog. What they would or would not do is speculation. Dealing with the here and now, there are laws to be followed, least of all for the dogs own safety. Edited to add : yes agree too with those below on taking to the pound.

Have never taken a lead off a dog to weigh it and don't know anyone that ever would!! Sheer stupidity to take a dog off lead in this situation. And yes, scales are generally by common practice placed in the waiting room. As for the rest.....

In very simple terms.....Because you are removing bite inhibition by teaching the pup that it is ok to bite you (and anyone else).

It's only "silly" if you think a breed's country of origin should lose the ability to control what the breed standard is. No, it's silly because the KC made the amendments without consultation with the SBT clubs & despite their protests. Among others, they added "desirable" to the height & now dogs bloody near as big as AST's are being titled here. That's why it's silly. But of course it doesn't matter to anyone who has no affiliation or affection for the breed. And isn't affected by BSL. Silly to think you would give a damn anyhow, now that was really silly. Your breed is no more affected by BSL than mine are. What SBTs and BSL have to do with this thread sure beats me. How are whippets at risk from the BSL? I think you will find the point is ANY breed is at risk of BSL. However this is a bit of the topic and probably should be elsewhere. An example is the law requiring greyhounds to wear a muzzle in public. This is a breed specific legislation as it relates to a specific breed. Give me an honest opinion. What do you consider are the chances of the whippet ever being affected by a BSL anywhere in the Universe? Racing Greyhounds are required to wear muzzles because they are trained to chase & kill small furry animals. They were, & some probably still are, trained to do this by using live small furry animals. It's called "blooding" You can start here: http://tnpetlawnews.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/memphistn-targets-dachshunds-whippets.html

Has the owner been found?

Whatever it is, it needs a vet to examine it and make a diagnosis. Too many things it 'might' be.

You will find plenty of other threads on these topics. They are the subject of much discussion. They simply have nothing to do with this thread!

Sounds similar to us. Pups in crates till about 6 or 7 months or so. Then they sleep where they want. Favourite places include the ensuite floor (Hamish), bedroom floor, kitchen floor (Louise), on the bed (usually not all night - just for short time usually early or late), under the bed (one of Grace's favourite spots :laugh: ), on the lounges in the Lounge (Kodie) or Family Room (Grace), the Hall entrance way, or across any doorway (it is a Pyr thing). They tend to move from one location to another at night. If beds are provided (which they generally are), they don't use them or push them out of the way to lie on the floor, though they will occasionally use an open crate. I usually go to sleep with Pyrs sleeping at all points of the compass around me :D . They will sleep outside too. Or rather if they feel the need, one or all of the Pyrs will prefer to be outside patrolling or napping in various strategic locations.

We need good breeders in our breeds. To do that we need to encourage new people and to help them. Not everyone is out to make a buck at the expense of the breed. Just think about it folks - YOU can't be the only one who got into it with 'pure' motives. Unless you want to be judged as you yourself are judging? (for the record, this is not aimed at anyone in particular, but it can pay to do some introspection occasionally - does everyone like what they see? When you were new, how were you treated and how would you want to be treated?) I am sure too that any concientious breeder has at one time or another sat down and asked the 'hard' questions of themselves about whether what they can achieve will benefit or not when it comes to looking at the bigger picture. We are slammed every day with the 'don't breed' mantra so confronting the issue for ourselves is something that will inevitably need to be done and something all new breeders are up against coming into a culture that is more and more anti breeder - well done to those even getting as far as questioning it in this AR driven climate! Things are often not black and white and frankly looking at these types of issues for themselves is something I would expect any thinking person to do and something most good breeders will have done to a greater or lesser extent at one time or another. What makes it ok for an established breeder (who was a new breeder once) to breed, but not ok for a new person to even consider it? We really need to look long term at what we are doing. Who will look after our breed when we are dead and gone, just as we are looking after it for those that came before us? Where will their knowledge come from if we don't give it to them? Schnooze, keep asking your questions. As far as I am concerned, you are asking the right ones and showing that you want to learn. The fact that you are asking them shows you are prepared to consider your actions and you are thinking. I hope you do find some in your breed (and others) who are willing to see that you are where the future lies and to help you be the best that you can be - if that is what you choose to do at some point down the track. FWIW.

Cruzzi if you know what you are talking about, how about actually making a contribution by answering the original question which asked breeders about THEM.. So far I can't see anything from you but a lot of posturing and hot air. You may know what you are talking about but frankly your posts don't show it.

And while it sounds good, just wait till 'nice' people start giving treats to dogs at dog shows..... So many underhand things that could happen with this....

First let me say, Dogs and by breed is my passion (moreso than a hobby). Breeding is just a small part of that. I started out with a pet in my breed. I had no intention at that point in time of being a breeder. I just waned a nice purebred pet. I had bred and competed with horses in my younger days and saw the value in a purebred even though we had crossbreed dogs (pound and found) mostly when growing up. I joined an obedience club because I saw the value in training. From there it just progressed. I enjoyed learning about dogs and behavior and went on to become an instructor. I met people there who also showed their dogs and became interested in trying that as well. My next dog was purchased with the aim of starting to show. I still had no real Intent to be a breeder, I was just learning, training and competing but all the time getting more and more involved in the dog world and in my breed. Being so heavily involved in my breed over the years, being a 'breeder' just became part of that 'natural progression' of my involvement and passion. IMO Being a breeder is not the end goal. It is simply a tool to be used for the benefit of the breed.

I would probably keep it simple and say appears to be cattle dog x possibly larger breed and note the double dew claws on hind legs which is a rather defining feature. He has some pretty solid boning so if he is three months or so he looks like he could be a sizeable dog. Could be Pyr in there somewhere but who knows. Not impossible from the overall look of him. They are not the only breed with double dews, but a more likely obvious source in this country. Will be interested to know what he is if you find the owner!

So so far it seems SA, QLD and NSW are voting against?

Phlemen. Dogs aren't the only species that do this. Horses too for example. May will have seen when they lift their head and stick their lip up. Using the jacobsens organ by eliciting a phlemen response is not the same as sniffing things. It is really not much to do with the nose. Closest thing for humans is tasting with the palate.

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