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The page is linked directly to the renbury site so it's kind of seen as 'official' I guess. It's not run independently like the ones who collect pledges, organise transport etc etc. Since the very beginning they've kept a lid on things like people saying they saw on another page that a dog was going to be safe. Plus the abuse re PTS and the FB arguments spectator sports that go on get cleaned up. But they happily discuss everything over the phone and don't hide stuff from genuine inquiries or rescue interest. They just don't let it get to where there's a 100 open debate comments on one dog which takes away from the other animals (and gets confusing if people are looking for accurate info).

He's not going to be bred from and if he does have a chance at a working life he needs to be entire. There's no need to desex on principle particularly if the dog is still maturing. He owns entire dogs and always has without accident so I don't see why the dog needs an unnecessary procedure done. You may not see why, but a desex agreement is just that. A mutual agreement. DAS will sell you a dog if you agree to desex. They don't sell a dog if you don't agree. So if he's truly not going to be bred from and will physically benefit from hormones then a vasectomy would be simple enough instead of being one of those types who lies to the pound and feels they are above a rule that applies to everyone else.

I don't see how there should be any difference if an agreement was signed and the dog was released in good faith. Rare breed or not, I don't like that the topic hasn't been addressed if the dog is available for rehoming entire. If he'd come out under rescue there would be a Dol meltdown about dogs being rehomed entire.

Was a desexing agreement with DAS signed at purchase?

Fantastic! And good to know that Norma still has her eye on things. :D

You are correct, but I'm not critiquing the taking of dogs from long distance. Just arguing the fact that it can and should be done a whole lot better and cleaner. With more care for animal welfare, for where the dog ends up and a lot less risk of spreading something contagious all over the countryside. And your radar for responsible rescue had better be well and truly working when it's long distance, that includes the rescuer at the other end who as (given your experience) you must very well know, aren't always told exactly what they are getting.

Hi czzzy. Apologies for the long post but you're new and wanting to support some animals who really are at the end of the line. Problem being, what's from the outside seen as bickering is in fact genuine, sometimes frantic concern. The 'it's all about the dogs' gets thrown back in the face of anyone who questions ethics, morals or general practice. General practice such as temperament assessment, quarantine and adequate vetting of new homes are all being thrown out the window. Because anyone who even attempts to point out the historically sound and proven methods of rescuing: methods which really really are "all about the dogs". Finds themselves shouted down by people who cannot see past their own feel-goody rescue angel needs. Competing for praise and a good looking tally of dogs they have rescued. I can guarantee you now, dogs are being placed into situations where they would have been better off put to sleep at the pound than suffer what some people do to them. Unchecked homes with no fences. Terminally ill dogs being given away *crossing fingers* that they'll be taken care of. So you can make room for the next dog. Dragging dear old seniors around so you can get a pat on the head and a few sappy photos for FB. Hoarders, dog abusers, on-sellers and backyard breeders pretending to be rescue (this dirty little secret is more common than you'd think). And then there's poor bloody unrehomeable dogs living in a kennel forever. Going kennel crazy and being sedated every night. Because whoever saved them can't let reality get in the way of being a self appointed saviour. Your own dog is being put at risk as well. Maybe in the hold of a plane next to a parvo ridden dog somebody was so determined to save that they don't care what happens to anyone else. Could be a fresh pound dog sitting in the vet's waiting room coughing all over your dog. The dog before yours at the groomer. Or the one that's being dragged all around a local community day so that the 'rescuer' can tee up some interest or a bit of cash. Maybe by your neighbours who have adopted a fence jumping dog aggressive horror, a dog that they adopted in good faith that a 'rescuer' wouldn't put them and their family through hell. And then there's taking of your money. IF the 'Rescue/r' does not have fundraising approval. DO NOT deposit money into their bank account or one of those 'chip-in' things. Pay it to their vet, or directly to an account with a goods and service provider. Or you may as well just give someone travellers cheques for their next holiday. I don't blame anyone for unknowingly supporting a dodgey rescue they find on facebook. Because if they don't know what to look for and anything critical is blocked and deleted how could they know? So that's it all on the table for when you read what can sometimes be seen as a rather aggressive spanish inquisition.

I dont have a CFN I do have a go fund me which I was told is legal to use and if its clear you dont have tax deduction it would be fine is this not correct? I have only been able to speak to one member here in person and I did apologize and I think we patched it all up. I was going to start a post here but thought the members wouldnt want a cat fight and I just want to help dogs not fight with people over my stupidity. Its no excuse but I was convinced this forum was full of terrible people that I should hate especially silky and seniors but from all the research I have done and people I have talked to Silky and seniors is a top notch rescue. No SSR is more than just me and shouldn't take the blame for being unpopular in certain circles because of me. (and we are top notch btw lol) BUT me hell yes! : Anna Faulkner .Despised by dodgey rescue far and wide. GoFundme and Chip In etc, look they aren't exactly kosher. They just launder money and take their %. Completely legal at their end and they aren't the ones who get busted. If you are still in NSW check the Office Of Liquor and Gaming fundraising approval. It's not hard to get. Nothing to do with gift deductibility which you do not have to get if you don't want. I still think one thread would get it out and done. Say sorry, move on. I wouldn't have even noticed you if you hadn't started a dozen threads here, something didn't seem right. Like you were trying to catch up.

That's right, you did too Maddy. Dol always gets painted as unwelcoming which is not the case at all.

Honestly, you made a spectacular mess of your last go at Dol. You insulted a lot of really good people and it got really ugly. It's not that hard to work out who you are and I was waiting for you to say something on your own instead of starting new threads all over the place trying to rewrite history. Just front the one thread. Say sorry and move on. Maybe clarify how your new fundraising works because I can't see your CFN anywhere, this is important. Reputable groups don't get involved with iffy donations. I have no vested interest in you or your history by the way, for once I wasn't the one called a piece of shit on FB but a lot of other respectable people were.

Oh yes that is me not a large group or anything and unfortunately cant help as many dogs as others can but we try to do what we can Hang on, if you're Outback Anima Rescue, then your old petrescue profile belonged to Homes For Hounds aka greylvr. Who badmouthed DOL and also moved up to work in thePR kennels. So what exactly happened? Had a turnaround?

Maybe the fact that this is a dog forum and not a victim support group with dog people who have experienced stupid acts from the public in face of dogs can see outside of the square perhaps? Great attitude

A person at elevated pace (jogging) towards a dog and handler can alert a dog to threat switching the dog into defence drive is not uncommon. Had the innocent female jogger been a thug intending to assault the handler, the dog did it's job, unfortunately a mere dog may not discriminate against intent and see only someone quickly approaching and act accordingly whether it's genuine threat or not. For all we know the jogger may have been so close to the dog she was only millimetres from making contact herself, or......perhaps she stopped suddenly within millimetres of the dogs nose or ran into the dog who jumped directly upwards who knows? None the less, the dogs were still leashed, they were not at large which IMHO needs some extra scrutiny into how the incident unfolded as leashed dogs don't present highly due to the restraint factor in common attacks. Perhaps the jogger did something completely stupid being the reason the handler didn't offer much compassion and legged it to save his dogs......to me there is something not right or not disclosed regarding this incident with leashed dogs involved in attacks?? Who the hell cares. Owners are expected to own up for any and all behaviour in their dogs leashed or not. You are dragging this thread in circles and throwing in harebrained theories in an attempt to dissemble the facts. The victim is not at fault.

This poor owner and his two otherwise harmless (except for the face biting) dogs were suddenly set upon by a threatening female jogger. Who, despite all good sense and in full knowledge of dog behaviour made an informed decision not to run in a large circle around these dogs and incorrectly assumed that them being on lead with their owner and out in public meant that somehow they were safe to be in the vicinity of! She also made the mistake (so common in society today) of believing owners are responsible for their dogs and if they are reactive or nervy in any way, they don't take them to popular running tracks. So the poor dog lunged out of his owner's control and instead of covering her face the jogger did not take advantage of the split second she had to move away. Then having been bitten and frightening the dog owner by shouting and bleeding all over the place, he: understandably shaken, walked her to her car, gave her his favourite shirt to wrap her head with, then legged it.

Oh OK, you're looking for Pound Rounds franchises. Fair enough. From your posts in the urgent section I thought you were probably Outback Animal Rescue but you haven't really said.

HC, would you mind saying what group you are with?

Don't stress Lynne. You won't be the only rescue stunned to see your name brought up I'm sure. Gives people apparent FB credibility when they throw established names around.

Has anyone found at least one of these 'rescued' animals advertised for rehoming? edit OK, I've just been sent this so they must be advertised somewhere? Or at least vetworked? <name removed> I only associate with ethical people... You are one of them and have ALWAYS put the animals first. In rescue we save animals from death and further mistreatment, primarily caused by irresponsible people and you are one person we can always rely on as your dedication, ethics and love for animals is not questionable. You have the support of many reputable people and we will stand by you always. I will also add that the support you have comes from well-respected, registered, legally recognised rescue groups, both carers and co-ordinators. 2 April at 22:47 · 1

Cleaning up? That's a bit of a hoarder tactic anyway. They get 'rescue' volunteers in but they end up just being enabling. Very few animals leave and more come in. I'm so sorry Clyde you must be heartbroken.

I'm so sorry Sacha

Mmz KieraLee google search will take you from there if you add her real name ;-)

Really? I couldn't get the pro rescue bit. It just sounded aggro to those that are working to get dogs desexed and safe from harm. Like if you want people to adopt then you're anti breeder. I do want people to look at rescue dogs, there is some amazing dogs waiting for homes. And I do want people to desex their pets. Anyway I actually get it from both sides. How very dare I rescue purebreds when shelter dogs die (I actually all-breed rescue as well) and why do I do thorough assessment of dogs and homes while pound dogs die; are both favourites with the keyboard 'activists'. Then you have my MDBA membership which I got slammed for as well. *sigh*

Wow, offensive and insulting. Yes I rescue shelter dogs. And do breed rescue, and own a PB. I don't hate dogs. and I don't want your cat gone. "Irresponsible owners kill shelter dogs" was largely debunked years ago. Except on FB I suppose, where most of this stupid slanging match happens. By the time I got to the bottom bit about us all working together ... it didn't seem that was the point of the whole article. In fact it highlighted the division.

Your contributions to this thread are elevating, Cody. One telling me not to be quick to judge when my post wasn't judging anything about the attack and this one telling PL not to be rude. So many posters aren't giving an opinion so much as blaming the jogger. DDD, now I remember why I bail from these threads! Maybe it's a rescue thing but I'll never make excuses for dogs who attack people just going about their business. There is no excuse.

I am stunned by the excuses being made for this owner and the theory in some posts that the victim was somehow at fault or that we don't know both sides. How is that being rude, the woman is in hospital and debate is going on that she could have avoided the whole thing if she was more sensible. eta it was 6.30am and she was jogging through a reserve. Plenty of quiet for the owner to hear her coming and plenty of room for him to turn his dogs away.