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Ok, have you ever seen or know of a vet who can train a dog or assess it's behaviour??.......I haven't in 30 years and the worst I have seen are vet behaviourists, in fact there is an excellent GSD trained in scent detection as we speak rescued from one these fools recommending it was untrainable and should be PTS strung out on prey drive......a temperament test needs to be conducted by people who know what they are looking at, otherwise you end up with the same scenario as the appearance based legislation with the dog's future based on the opinion of halfwits for a bold exclamation. She had a very reputable rescue ready to take her on with behaviourists on board should she need it. Aside from my behaviourst rant.........do you see something wrong with the above? Dog's that need a behaviourist attached to the rehoming process are not stable enough to be rehomed and sadly we can't keep them all and a line has to be drawn. There is too much of this "environmental factor", dogs reacting badly because of abuse or poor treatment in a former life......a dog of strong genetic stability can bounce through this quickly with good treatment and it's the dogs who lack the genetic strength who keep skeletons in the closet and carry baggage from past experience that they can't rise above easily. I have had dogs in apprehension roles stabbed, kicked, beaten, belted with baseball bats and so on.....some have never been able to recover mentally from these incidents and some can and the one's who can is in the genetics of the dog. You can't successfully train or rehabilitate what's not in the dog in the first place and people need to understand this. It's not until working dogs in extreme roles that this phenomena presents clarity, so perhaps the dog in your example wasn't as genetically stable as you assumed it was to have failed the vet test? Amax I agree not all dogs are safe to return to the community and I don't think only genetic factors are at play. My experience has been there is a better chance to successfully retrain, rehabilitate and develop appropriate coping mechanisms with dogs out of a pound environment which is why rescue organisations with behaviourists are integral in the process of saving dogs from pounds. I have been in rescue for 5 years and there have been many dogs that have not passed BA in shelters but have been perfectly fine in home environments. I have never taken a dog out of a pound and placed it straight into a foster home. They have all spent time with me in my home first. That doesn't mean they don't show different behaviours in a foster carers home. One dog was transferred to me after 5 months in a shelter and having access to a number of trainers and behaviourists yet when the dog was transferred to me those behaviours were never in existence in a home environment. I have and will euthanised dogs I deem not safe to return to the community but I will give them every chance to prove they are worthy of a chance first. I was referring more to dogs released into foster homes with behaviourists in tow, that is dogs that haven't reached a adequate stage of rehabilitation. Environmental factor triggers the behaviour, but the speed of recovery in the rehabilitation process when the dog is properly treated in a good environment is the component of genetics. I imagine through rescue you would have also experienced those great dogs too, the one's who ooze stability and soundness of temperament are the good ones to embrace :) What do you think rescue is for if it's not to provide rehabilitation? It's called rescue for a reason and that includes giving a chance to the dogs that are sick, old, mentally or physically scarred....and in general the dogs that aren't sold by the pound. The notion that having a behaviourist lined up is somehow a red flag that the dog is unrehomeable is as stupid as saying a dog who needs specialist treatment should not be rescued either because it's sick. The expertise you claim to have, and your theories about rescue reads like bullish!t.

The account at Colyton is $4000 in debt and rising every day. How can it be rising? Surely the vet has capped what goes on the account. Only thing I can think of is desexing agreements/vouchers being honoured by the vet. Okay. All my animals leave already desexed so I hadn't thought of that. Same. However for some...... it's a handy bit of pocket money when buyers don't present their animals to the vet and nobody chases them up.

And she bred from him. I get that she loves her dog but she doesn't need to be stupid about it. The woman is just one bite away from being dead and does a happy smiley newspaper story.

The account at Colyton is $4000 in debt and rising every day. How can it be rising? Surely the vet has capped what goes on the account. Only thing I can think of is desexing agreements/vouchers being honoured by the vet.

Got mine :) will let you know. Thanks Julie. x

If these dogs are not desexed DO NOT give them to anyone other than an established ethical rescue/r.

From my rainbow bridge threads I lost one dog after the other for 18 months. Here's 3 of them my beautiful old men. Tango He was from Blacktown Pound. He was retired into our SSR Cherished Treasures program. Herbert, his last Christmas with us. I adopted him from Monika's back when I volunteered in Drummoyne. He chose me. Percy, also his last Christmas with us. From Renbury Farm, he too was retired and we had him for 18 wonderful months.

OMG they are some beautiful photos. Popsicle, I'm so sorry. It's incredibly hard to lose a dear friend.

We've always called it "making movies" . Now I write it down it looks like nonsense but I just mean, that unbroken stare...like everything is being committed to memory forever. Pups and young dogs do it a lot.

He is divine Maree! (Spitting image of silky x poodle mixes) Sooooo cute :)

Any more news? Have carers sought the help offered by Andrea?

There was no witnesses to the mangling of course, no guilty faces. I got the feeling they were quite pleased. :laugh: eta I should add that the first culprit was the cat who managed to corner the poor thing and handicap the little side sweep bristle. She probably got the dogs to do her bidding.

I thought they were all cool with it but somebody took revenge on the robovac by running off with the transformer and mangling it. :laugh:

Because people tell lies, self aggrandise, perpetuate myths, etc etc etc. Happens all the time on DOL where there are enough people who should know better. True. And it certainly doesn't help the dogs to move on to their new lives.

I just ordered ours too! I'm a bit excited :)

Agreed! Anyone can call a vet and call themselves 'rescue'. Even claim the dogs they BYB'd are rescued in order to get discounts. And they do. I'm not sure how vets are supposed to know the difference between good and bad. Or between the ones that settle their accounts and the ones who don't. I have seen 'rescue' shop vets against each other to save $20 on a basic desex package and never have any extra work done over and above that flat rate even if the dog desperately needs it. Doesn't surprise me when vets get sick of people taking advantage. And sorry but just because a dog flinches doesn't mean it was beaten. And just because a dog has had puppies doesn't mean it was from a puppy farm. A staffy with scars isn't from an evil dog fighter. I'm sick of people making up stories to sucker people in. Dogs have a new start when they are rescued, why do people insist on holding on to a fictional past?

Jonty!

I think New Beginnings in VIC are the best Chi rescue there. No idea how much travelling that would mean for you.

:D you should be fine

In all honesty, no you can't help. People never want to know until the wheels fall off.

Agreed! That's as far as I got in the article.

Well done Andrea. Always ready to pick up the pieces. They were just another fly by night Facebook rescue. When will people look past the feel good rubbish and see what is really going on.

6 - 7 months?! No, too big too fast. And if they are working with the sydney 'rescue-but-not-a-rescue' they will be burned badly and end up with unrehomeable dogs and nowhere to put them. And they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

Out of the NSWAR shelter? T, it might have to be you who texts LP. Rachelle basically traded on her support from you guys on DOL at least. If it was me I'd want to know immediately. I'm also curious about who wrote her posts here because it certainly doesn't gel with the way she writes. IMHO Anyone who helped her needs to take some small share in what has happened to these animals and has every right to get the shits for being conned into this clusterf***.

Are your cats listed on pet rescue? I'd contact the ladies at 'Pound Cats', as far as I know they have an established profile on FB and in rescue, they may be able to help. btw you can register a complaint with pet rescue if Rachelle was advertising there.