asal

Banning the sale of dogs and cats in pet shops is at least a start and will help to make a dent in the demand for cheap 'cuties' for pet shops to make a huge profit on, thereby, hopefully reducing the number of poor souls that come into the world for this purpose. There is the problem though of private sale taking the place of pet shops, as you say. Perhaps making it illegal for unlicensed (unregistered, and in Qld's case, un-accredited breeders) to sell kittens or puppies, or even undesexed kittens or puppies would help to resolve the problem. Unfortunately, the demand for cheap puppies/kittens and the trend of promoting 'oodles' as the in thing has blown everything out of proportion. The natural attrition that used to occur in part-bred puppies/kittens has been blown out the window by the desire to pump puppies out Woolworths style with the least possible outlay in order to be able to sell to the middle man in bulk which is the only way they can possibly make any money at all. I was once approached by a pet shop for puppies, and resisting the urge to spit in her eye, I asked her how much she would pay - $140 per puppy was the response. I looked at her cages with all the dogs selling at around $1,000, and thought, 'no wonder you have the hide to ask'. I then took pleasure in telling her I wouldn't let one of my kids go to her in a fit. :D ;) hullo??? "cheap cuties" who are u kidding. saunter into any pet shop and ask how much for some puppies YOU want to sell. some guinie pigs YOU want to sell some rabbits YOU want to sell? havnt have u? im the nosy type. the "puppy" "pet" farmers are offered for example $250 for the pup sold for $1800. n the gp's and rabbits. lucky if they get offered a dollar each.....soo any sensible pet buyer shouldnt be looking at the doggie in the window. its breeder would have been thrilled to find it a good home for twice what the pet shop paid for it. from what ive seen the majority of people ive run into with a puppy or puppies in a basket and heading into a petshop, had their cute n fluffy, got into the family way by accident. maybe i either missed meeting the puppy farmer or they just dont say they are... n who would i suppose but thats not much income considering how much it costs to raise a pup or pups

LOL silly u thats the REAL agenda

there have been so many stories and movies made on the subject of be careful for what u wish for. the genie always gets it wrong. pity no one realised or took heed, this applies to the real as well as the imaginary world

I bought my second pedigree pup that decided me to become a member of the cc. that was 1978...... when i showed my darling....get told "ho that breeder is a puppy farmer" and even then ways were being decided how to put the disgusting out of business. that lady did breed hundreds a year, that lady understood genetics, that lady selected for self whelping lines, i saw hundreds of pups over the many years i knew her and i saw a far higher percentage of sound pups than ive ever seen in the homes of her detractors. be careful of what you wish for. in the race to destroy some YOU WILL DISTROY ALL. and you and your breeds will be the loosers these were the years when the term backyarder began to be bandied. even then a fool like i. thought "hey, everyone has a back yard? eliminate backyarders and u eliminate yourself?????" well the wheel has been turned and sadly i see what my stupid brain could see the precious couldnt. wear it in good health. sadly i do not see solutions, you have blindly pushed to destroy without realising and refusing to realise you too will be in the sights. even worse pushed for without equally pushing for any accountabality or avenue for appeal, its a weird mindset that a murderer has more rights than any animal owner? or the animal being used to persecute its owner, n no that not a spelling mistake. judys darling died, so many more will. its a bit like watching a sci fi, but in this case its real. n remember REMEMBER Judy is facing charges that amount to 84 years jail, n she had already pleaded guilty. n unlike the murderer she will be tried by a magistrate, not a jury of her peers, considering she is facing what amounts to a life sentence for what? showing her dogs, why not? why isnt she being judged by a jury?

well you would understand this one asal, with our breed, they have a molera some chis? well we all got into discussion at a show one day and apparently one breeder sold a puppy with a molera, young puppy to a person who took it to a vet, and you know what the stupid vet said, put it down dogs should not have a hole in their head, so the poor pup was put down! so you can get idiot vets. i've had timid chihuahuas.....just the genes its nothing we've done to the animal all our dogs get treated the same, all end up with different personalities just like humans. but inexperienced people might see it as the dogs been hit or abused. think its important to recommend your own vets for new owners to go to rather than just randomly picking a vet that might turn out to be an idiot. the first chi to come into our family, took it to the vet for its vaccination and yes was told the same thing. n the vet? only one of the lectureres that teach the young vets. like what the? if even the teachers cant do their homework what hope for the next generation of vets and such experts sit on boards and "advise" governments. remember the mess stringy came home in. the vet who "treated" him was Mark Lowry, now the head of the nsw vet association????? BvSc dont stand for saint or saviour, much as many seem to think so :rofl: come to think of it, once used a vet who was charged and pleaded guilty to asulting a work experience student. so saint... nope. never forget his reply when i asked him how could u do that? his reply "God tempted me and i was too weak to resist" my astonished reply " considering you would be the one who has gelded how my my my colts.soo are you telling me you have less self control than my stallions? you would be the onegelding them if they didnt back, when i told them? his reply was "I never thought of it that way" like derrrrrr likewise polies are being asked to draft legislation with absolutly no idea of how it can be manipulated to do far more than they envisioned when it was passed. pity it wasnt one of them instead of Judy Guard caught up into the net they fashioned

another truth, is not all dogs LOVE anyone and everyone on sight. tibetan terriers for example are suspicious of stangers. sooo what does the vet who used Judy Gards rehomed one to send the rspca to raid her.... talked the new owner into letting her put it down because its not properly socialised? the dog was a show dog, you cant successfully show a frighned dog? why should the dog have to fawn over someone it only just met? no one told it . fawn on the vet as they have the power of life and death over you, a prefectly healthy pet died because it didnt know only recently i was asked to help rehome a ex show dog. champ in fact. first thing the owners son said, was no one would take her because she is so timid. she again is a breed that is aloof of strangers. soo i ignored her and she came to me. used the same words i figured her owners would use in the ring and nxt thing she is in my lap. a friend came round after we arrived home. talked to her in the same vein and he too ended up with one excited doggie. it was sooo obvious she was thinking. hey THEY SPEAKA MY LANGUAGE. THIS DOG would in all likely hood be put down as unsocialised if examined by that vet

are u in new south wales? these vets are working in collaboration with Engenic, we are friends with jenny and hemanchu who have pioneered nano cell delivery to cancers. they have completely cured dogs considered beyond help. like completely gone brain tumurs non surgicly http://www.vetspecialist.com.au/download/Chemotherapy.pdf it is now being human tested at 3 melbourne hospitals... although its only restricted to those already decared beyond hope first, but our dogs are lucky they can access it now

that is true what you have typed extra and we all know this but that info i cut and pasted is designed for the general public.....if you tell them all that people are going to get confused. what would you guys say under "what is the difference between a ANKC breeder and a puppy factory?" I mean we can all say what we really feel and i do agree with the point that many of us dont want people coming to our homes sizing up our dogs then taking them away when we aren't home or telling someone unscrupulous, (my worry all the time) but how is that going to help the cause? but leaving out the truth so you "dont confuse" the general public also means to mislead said general public. by omission. joe n jane public will believe exactly whats written. whats wrong with all the facts not what looks nice for "public" consumpion?

well done steve. was in the process of adding my comments practicually identical to yours last night and told. leave it, your too upset what a pack of crock that is. nowdays even letting someone know u have dogs is inviting the scenario of arriving home to none left. isnt that why the powers that be stopped putting breeders addresses in the journal litter notices? it was discovered they were being used as a shopping list by theives?

I am aware that other people have lives and what not, however it really should not take almost a week to answer my question considering it was only about their stance on registered ethical breeders and seeing how they already had stated that they were not opposed to them I would have thought that the answer would have been forthcoming very quickly. It also should not matter if I sent an email from a free email provider considering lots of people only use them. Manners is also a virtue, however it is one that is fading fast from this world --Lhok I just love how this is repeated over and over like u think your holding a cross up to a vampire? what on earth makes u think your not about to be tarred with the same brush as those in your own ranks you have decided are "unethical"?????? and are happy to stand by and see wiped from your "ethical" ranks? u all are members of the cc's,??? you all have registered dogs??? better get bigger brighter crosses mayhap? as i tried to explain earlier, your all the same critters. the lions doesnt care which antelope its herdmates think is ethical, or the antelope that thinks it is the epitime of ethical and so can cast the first stone on it decides are lower than life in the ranks, that antelop firmly believes it shouldnt be dinner but to the lion, its just the same as the rest of the potential dinners Asal, I laughed when I read your opening line, but you are absolutely right. There can be no difference when legislation is written. The words "ethical" or "unethical" will not be making an appearance. The people behind Oscars Law don't want breeders to be breeding or advertising dogs - full stop. The lion still wants the antelope for dinner - ethical or unethical antelope does not matter. The lion is the Animal Libbers ...... and the antelope is the Dog Breeders. They will just try to make it look like that is not the aim. Bigger, brighter crosses will give no protection to even the best of breeders. Thanks for the laugh though. Souff funny how few dont seem to realise Judy Guard is the bell wether for the lot . of course now the knife has found her, most of the the ethical mob brigade are muttering, seee was unethical after all or it wouldnt have happend ... where theres smoke theres fire u know

I am aware that other people have lives and what not, however it really should not take almost a week to answer my question considering it was only about their stance on registered ethical breeders and seeing how they already had stated that they were not opposed to them I would have thought that the answer would have been forthcoming very quickly. It also should not matter if I sent an email from a free email provider considering lots of people only use them. Manners is also a virtue, however it is one that is fading fast from this world --Lhok I just love how this is repeated over and over like u think your holding a cross up to a vampire? what on earth makes u think your not about to be tarred with the same brush as those in your own ranks you have decided are "unethical"?????? and are happy to stand by and see wiped from your "ethical" ranks? u all are members of the cc's,??? you all have registered dogs??? better get bigger brighter crosses mayhap? as i tried to explain earlier, your all the same critters. the lions doesnt care which antelope its herdmates think is ethical, or the antelope that thinks it is the epitime of ethical and so can cast the first stone on it decides are lower than life in the ranks, that antelop firmly believes it shouldnt be dinner but to the lion, its just the same as the rest of the potential dinners

maybe right now is not the best time for me to be reading anything connected to the pedigree dog world. just learned there is a letter going round to kick one of the directors off the council. n at the same time learn despite having bent over backwards to newbies to help them get a start, discover i was under discussion at our last breed club meeting and get told by one it was not to say anything good about me so apologise for being more than a little miffed at the non fur brigade

maybe i wrinkled my fur because on one post they are happy with their dogs. not one but two. i was unaware they were crossbreds was under the impression they were bred by a registered breeder. tend to forget there are registered ethicals and registered destroy em at all costs breeders. frankly having been chucked into the to be destroyed at all costs pot by those i thought to be friends im a teeeeny bit titchy on the subject.

keeps the chickens n the sheep calm while the knives are being sharpened. n yep im still laughing, some have just woken up to the new wonder legislation to stop puppy farmers is aimed directly at those who whelp their puppies in their homes. n wonder how many have finally realised the so desperately under powered rspca have had the power to seize and remove for over 20 years simply on the observation of a special constable "to form the opinion" the animal needs urgent veterinary treatment. no need for it to actually be anything wrong with it at all. and bill the mug (ooops owner) for all costs incurred at TOP OF THE RATE COSTINGS. THEY dont excercise it too often, just when its a special case, like a helping out a friend. cant let the plebs know too much can we, keep it down to a few raids so those who scream are not believed. dont act when its glariongly obvious and explain hands are tied not enough power...... writ to your polies so we can doooooo something. well sucked in mayhaps

I only say “largest” to illustrate that they are the ones with the pups, and so if I don’t take one from there it is hard to find another in WA. The whole purpose of my thread is to get other recommendations because this large breeder has such a bad rep in these forums. So why you would say “if you like their stock go buy it” is beyond me?(Although having said that, NOBODY has offered any concrete criticism against this breeder. Except that their dogs don’t look like flatcoats.) There is one other breeder in WA who will have some pups in a few months, so I’m happy to go there, but again I’m just not sure if the “go East” message applies to them also? ever heard the saying "make your own judgement" you have had two dogs from this person and say you were very happy with them. yet because this person is being badmouthed here or anywhere else (for that matter) you ignore your own experieance and believe? I am a bad person, ive been badmouthed, why only theother day here referred to as insane or raving? forget which. oddly enough the raving was telling a truth the vast majority do not want to be heard. let alone believe, that could cause problems if the great unwashed actually knew the truth its the quickest way to deflect anyone taking any notice, declare the whistle blower as the "ravings" n problem solved

Hi bigD..this is actually called 'linebreeding' and done properly is an accepted method of breeding. Also moving too far away from the standard defeats the purpose of breeding altogether dosnt it? Slavish devotion to the standard is what breeders should be doing imo... I also tend to agree calling another dog ugly is not called for I agree contact breed clubs and there are a couple of Flatcoat breeders here on DOL. Good Luck. ;) fascinating, ive been watching breeds being "improved' and the interpretation of the standards being reinvented for some 40 years "slavish devotion to the stanard' is not what ive been watching as heads get broader n broader or narrower n narrower depending on the fashion of the season n thats just looking the the head, stop before i get carried away

I'm not. think ive already told it before. friend on farm. dogs go off nuts at roo whatever. opens door. tells em to "shut up" fires over their heads if the dins to loud for em to notice him. sooooo one morning, din starts. out he goes, firearm in hand. shouts at dogs. then realises every one is looking in a different direction. looks out across the flat..........................drops firearm................................ retreats indoors. what did he see? over 40 cops in line walking across the flats. fully armed. hes still thanking god he didnt pull the trigger that time. what were they doing? converging on a nearby house. how many saw the headlines about the HUGE gilgandra drug bust?

Condolences to her family and friends. AYE I second that. if my neighbour is to be believed,( she is a nurse), this is the death she wishes for, for herself, she calles it a "Kings death." dont know how or why she belives this, but she does.

well?? chihuahua's ud have to be among the top ranked surely. just ask any chi WHO IS REALLY THE BOSS ROUND HERE?

so.....let pet owners make a choice whether they desex or not? if you are vicdog you are exempt you just have to provide your membership card. gee if that was the case there'd be a few rubbing their hands together in glee breeding their pet? on the other hand, they've had those laws in place for many years and still we see backyard breeders and people breeding their pets for money left right and centre as was reported on another thread.. Yes let pet owners make educated choices on whether they want to desex their pets or not. im sorry but dont really agree with that, so shoot me thats just the thing too, half the time you are dealing with people that don't want to be educated, can't be bothered being educated. (like the silly councillors that i spoke to numerous times). And like the animal rights and some breeders - worse the ones who think they are already educated enough. is this being directed at me? Why would it be? ok this is getting crazy. im done. odd ???? u sounded perfectly sane, non threathening to moi???? did i miss something

so.....let pet owners make a choice whether they desex or not? if you are vicdog you are exempt you just have to provide your membership card. gee if that was the case there'd be a few rubbing their hands together in glee breeding their pet? on the other hand, they've had those laws in place for many years and still we see backyard breeders and people breeding their pets for money left right and centre as was reported on another thread.. Yes let pet owners make educated choices on whether they want to desex their pets or not. im sorry but dont really agree with that, so shoot me thats just the thing too, half the time you are dealing with people that don't want to be educated, can't be bothered being educated. (like the silly councillors that i spoke to numerous times). And like the animal rights and some breeders - worse the ones who think they are already educated enough. is this being directed at me? you really shouldnt be inviting anyone to start shooting. plenty do it anyway without provocation. so dont worry bullets fly anywhere doggie people meet, greet, and remarkably frequently,,,,,,snarl and start snapping often find myself thinking BSL was soooo way off target, its homo sapiens they really meant to control surely ?

how many have heard the saying "you never stop learning till your dead" theres an awful lot of apparently still breathing dead around arnt there????

really need to go do contructive stuff like housework this is looking pretty much like the desexed champ dont it, done n dusted

YEA the genes that count are the ones with CH in front of the names, u know thats a guarantee its perfect, u know nnnnnn any puppy that has blue papers is guaranteed to become a CH toooooooooooo save us nope

SURELY NOT......................... UUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH