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maybe right now is not the best time for me to be reading anything connected to the pedigree dog world. just learned there is a letter going round to kick one of the directors off the council. n at the same time learn despite having bent over backwards to newbies to help them get a start, discover i was under discussion at our last breed club meeting and get told by one it was not to say anything good about me so apologise for being more than a little miffed at the non fur brigade

maybe i wrinkled my fur because on one post they are happy with their dogs. not one but two. i was unaware they were crossbreds was under the impression they were bred by a registered breeder. tend to forget there are registered ethicals and registered destroy em at all costs breeders. frankly having been chucked into the to be destroyed at all costs pot by those i thought to be friends im a teeeeny bit titchy on the subject.

keeps the chickens n the sheep calm while the knives are being sharpened. n yep im still laughing, some have just woken up to the new wonder legislation to stop puppy farmers is aimed directly at those who whelp their puppies in their homes. n wonder how many have finally realised the so desperately under powered rspca have had the power to seize and remove for over 20 years simply on the observation of a special constable "to form the opinion" the animal needs urgent veterinary treatment. no need for it to actually be anything wrong with it at all. and bill the mug (ooops owner) for all costs incurred at TOP OF THE RATE COSTINGS. THEY dont excercise it too often, just when its a special case, like a helping out a friend. cant let the plebs know too much can we, keep it down to a few raids so those who scream are not believed. dont act when its glariongly obvious and explain hands are tied not enough power...... writ to your polies so we can doooooo something. well sucked in mayhaps

I only say “largest” to illustrate that they are the ones with the pups, and so if I don’t take one from there it is hard to find another in WA. The whole purpose of my thread is to get other recommendations because this large breeder has such a bad rep in these forums. So why you would say “if you like their stock go buy it” is beyond me?(Although having said that, NOBODY has offered any concrete criticism against this breeder. Except that their dogs don’t look like flatcoats.) There is one other breeder in WA who will have some pups in a few months, so I’m happy to go there, but again I’m just not sure if the “go East” message applies to them also? ever heard the saying "make your own judgement" you have had two dogs from this person and say you were very happy with them. yet because this person is being badmouthed here or anywhere else (for that matter) you ignore your own experieance and believe? I am a bad person, ive been badmouthed, why only theother day here referred to as insane or raving? forget which. oddly enough the raving was telling a truth the vast majority do not want to be heard. let alone believe, that could cause problems if the great unwashed actually knew the truth its the quickest way to deflect anyone taking any notice, declare the whistle blower as the "ravings" n problem solved

Hi bigD..this is actually called 'linebreeding' and done properly is an accepted method of breeding. Also moving too far away from the standard defeats the purpose of breeding altogether dosnt it? Slavish devotion to the standard is what breeders should be doing imo... I also tend to agree calling another dog ugly is not called for I agree contact breed clubs and there are a couple of Flatcoat breeders here on DOL. Good Luck. ;) fascinating, ive been watching breeds being "improved' and the interpretation of the standards being reinvented for some 40 years "slavish devotion to the stanard' is not what ive been watching as heads get broader n broader or narrower n narrower depending on the fashion of the season n thats just looking the the head, stop before i get carried away

I'm not. think ive already told it before. friend on farm. dogs go off nuts at roo whatever. opens door. tells em to "shut up" fires over their heads if the dins to loud for em to notice him. sooooo one morning, din starts. out he goes, firearm in hand. shouts at dogs. then realises every one is looking in a different direction. looks out across the flat..........................drops firearm................................ retreats indoors. what did he see? over 40 cops in line walking across the flats. fully armed. hes still thanking god he didnt pull the trigger that time. what were they doing? converging on a nearby house. how many saw the headlines about the HUGE gilgandra drug bust?

Condolences to her family and friends. AYE I second that. if my neighbour is to be believed,( she is a nurse), this is the death she wishes for, for herself, she calles it a "Kings death." dont know how or why she belives this, but she does.

well?? chihuahua's ud have to be among the top ranked surely. just ask any chi WHO IS REALLY THE BOSS ROUND HERE?

so.....let pet owners make a choice whether they desex or not? if you are vicdog you are exempt you just have to provide your membership card. gee if that was the case there'd be a few rubbing their hands together in glee breeding their pet? on the other hand, they've had those laws in place for many years and still we see backyard breeders and people breeding their pets for money left right and centre as was reported on another thread.. Yes let pet owners make educated choices on whether they want to desex their pets or not. im sorry but dont really agree with that, so shoot me thats just the thing too, half the time you are dealing with people that don't want to be educated, can't be bothered being educated. (like the silly councillors that i spoke to numerous times). And like the animal rights and some breeders - worse the ones who think they are already educated enough. is this being directed at me? Why would it be? ok this is getting crazy. im done. odd ???? u sounded perfectly sane, non threathening to moi???? did i miss something

so.....let pet owners make a choice whether they desex or not? if you are vicdog you are exempt you just have to provide your membership card. gee if that was the case there'd be a few rubbing their hands together in glee breeding their pet? on the other hand, they've had those laws in place for many years and still we see backyard breeders and people breeding their pets for money left right and centre as was reported on another thread.. Yes let pet owners make educated choices on whether they want to desex their pets or not. im sorry but dont really agree with that, so shoot me thats just the thing too, half the time you are dealing with people that don't want to be educated, can't be bothered being educated. (like the silly councillors that i spoke to numerous times). And like the animal rights and some breeders - worse the ones who think they are already educated enough. is this being directed at me? you really shouldnt be inviting anyone to start shooting. plenty do it anyway without provocation. so dont worry bullets fly anywhere doggie people meet, greet, and remarkably frequently,,,,,,snarl and start snapping often find myself thinking BSL was soooo way off target, its homo sapiens they really meant to control surely ?

how many have heard the saying "you never stop learning till your dead" theres an awful lot of apparently still breathing dead around arnt there????

really need to go do contructive stuff like housework this is looking pretty much like the desexed champ dont it, done n dusted

YEA the genes that count are the ones with CH in front of the names, u know thats a guarantee its perfect, u know nnnnnn any puppy that has blue papers is guaranteed to become a CH toooooooooooo save us nope

SURELY NOT......................... UUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

ummm come to think of it? at least missed out on getting my face slapped i suppose

yes its a bit late, even the directors of the canine coucnils have rolled over and gone with the flow, n last i looked every single one of em were registered breeders and u would have thought they just might have done their homework, n even if they hadnt, their own vets would have told the the awful truth? most of those ive sat with at shows, treat their flossies like any good fur parent would,. my favourite memory is the tear streaked owner of her recently desexed chamion bitch, explaining why she had to be "done". the neighbours x bred got to her...... shes ruined.....can never be used for purebreeding now shes been contaminated. im sitting there wondering? "are u mad" asked, "why do u think that" to be told "how will i know which puppies she had in future that didnt throw back to the x bred? they always throw back u know" since the dog in question had not even had one litter before this disaster this was a disaster in a few counts, line lost for starters soooooo i carefuly chose my words, really i did. sooo i askes, "if your husband died and you remarried, do you really think any child you had was actually a child by your first husband?" she did the biscuit. stormed off and banned me from EVER, EVER, her gracing her doorstep. this is the mentality of some of our ho so ethical breeders. ??????????? Just what percentage i dont really want to know genetic's? only puppy farmers would talk that rubbish! best of luck, i didnt achive much besides indignant fury

gee steve your game, trying to educate the masses? dont think they are going to like being reminded fur babies arent human

yep i will never stop offering that drink. silly, u just jump em and hold em under the water till u think they swallowed enough, isnt that whats peta doing to the sheep industry, cease museling by 2010 or you cant sell the wool? doent seem to be a problem with em that unless the sheep are born bare breeched a full breeched unmulsed sheep faces being eaten alive by maggots? they didnt get the nickname maggot taxies, by accident but hey its for the GREATER GOOD. n sure one fast way to eliminate full breeched sheep from the gene pool. suffering???? what u say???? they are "sufering" for the GREATER GOOD. SO THEY CAN DIE CONTENT cant they?

AWESOME THANKS SO MUCH

Yes, it is all designed to deter people from breeding dogs. Oscars Law included. We have been branded as lunatics touting conspiracy theories, but we are not. We are thinking people who know that there will be not much other than mutts and generic brown dogs in the future, and probably riddled with inherited diseases that will all be blamed back on to those "terrible dog breeders". Politicians will run with the issue that will sell well on the telly to a believing public. Add plenty of emotion to it and voila, it is a vote winner! They are not interested in the future of good dogs. Well, they might be when they find that they can no longer buy a cocker spaniel, a corgi, or some of the breeds with lesser numbers. Then we dog breeders who still have a couple of specimens of a particular breed can go public, get a high profile person alongside, and raise funds for the endangered species ....... just like the animal libbers are doing right now for their cause. Wonder how much money they collected at the rally ...... Souff I believe Oscars Law was used by animal libbers to try and stop the breeding of ALL dogs. The pet owning public fell for it. With no thought to the fact that they were actually depriving themselves of the very dogs they thought they came to protect. If there are NO breeders of dogs where will YOU get your next dog ?. talking to the organiser of this rally for a long time, no that is not true at all! they target farms and it was about FARMS. registered breeders are not mentioned in all of this. :rolleyes: read prisoner for profit website and you will see what im talking about. prisoners for profit That may have been the original intentions but we are all aware it did not end up that way. ok so where is the evidence then, is there something in the background thats going on that most of us are not aware off???? just asking an question??? ETA: do you mean RSPCA turned it into something else, probably stating the obvious, dn't mean to sound dumb. wasnt the law about prosecuting those who debarked or tail docked supposed to to stop puppy farmers? yet its Judy Guard facing 42 charges for exhibiting? how many puppy farmers exhibit? but hey she's facing what is it? in excess of 84 years in jail? nnnnn if i recall correctly all this came about because she rehomed one of her dogs to a pet home. n the vet the new owner took it too for a check up spotted it was debarked - learned it had been shown----- n the wheels rolled into motion. so! how is this animal loving, sooooo caring vet, reward the whistle blowing pooch? did i not see a post that because said pooch didnt adore said vet on sight, get declared to be unsocalised and pay with its life being terminated?????? anyone know this doggies name? maybe its name should be the one attached to the new law so desperately needed, the appeal process that still 20 years after powers to seize were enacted, forgot the one for an avenue for appeal?? call it after this little dog and maybe in concunction with the names of some of ruth downeys cows. weird isnt it. the right of reprieve is available for a murderer, but not for our animals that fall into the control of the rspca?

Do you think that is the argument? Don't you think it matters who I let into my home and what they are looking for? btw to inspect you need guidelines right? So if you have an idea about what is an acceptable and unacceptable argument do you have an idea about how to define what a breeders home (nay facility) should look like? and what is okay and not okay to do with my dogs? ie: how I keep them, where they sleep, conditions etc? Also are the dogs inspected? see above come back with a definition for me. + what jdavis said: Would you want the person doing the inspection to belong to an organisation that already thinks you are doing the wrong thing? If it was an independent government organisation doing the inspection it wouldn't be an issue, but the RSPCA have already made their views on breeders clear. The health department sends an inspector to check your bakery you have a way to appeal their decisions. The RSPCA decided you are doing the wrong thing they take your dogs, charge you an arm and a leg, if they get their way you have to pay their kennel fees upfront, and then they injure and kill your dogs and you have no recourse. Would you want that? Imagine someone who doesn't like you has unstoppable power over you, would you give them the ammo to use? of course you would if you dont your "unethical" remember the ones who think they are so ethical are too dumb to realise, not matter how precious and ethical they (think they) are its not going to protect them . to the likes of donnelly, your scum i can remember my mum setting us kids up for our vaccinations. no way she was going to be embarrassed by her kids kicking and screaming they dont want a bloody great needle shoved into them. so what does she do? do you want to get sick? muggins says 'NO" "well this needle will stop you being sick and maybe ending up in hospital." do you want to risk ending up in hospital? muggins say "no" so will u be good and let the nice nurse/doctor give u the needle? n all her little muggins chorus "yes" so there we stand shaking in our boots, not a single one wants that jab, but we'd been primed. we all stood like lambs to the slaugher. ok still get my shots... but its in the butt. no agonised arms for me anymore. well i want the butt shot.....i want accountabality before i stand still for any more "shots" anywere, any way before any power surged mongrel enteres my home again n the only way that can be prevented is? no animals you dont have any other options as it stands now

Well it soon will not be a problem for you, the large scale breeding facilities will be inspected and any small breeders that are still around. Now if you are buying a puppy from an inspected and approved large scale breeding facility, I am not sure if you as the buyer will be able to visit the mum and pups. Play with them, temperament test the litter and have weekly updates and discussions about the pups as they grow with their breeder like you might have done in the past with a home breeders. Which BTW would have given you ample time to scrutinize how the pups and dogs were managed in the breeders home. But I am sure the staff member on duty that day at the facility will be able to answer any questions you have. You will also know that the large scale breeding facility has passed inspection and is approved to breed and sell puppies. So it seems you will have ample opportunity to get a pup from an inspected source. For the greater good. I'm not all that interested in made up hypotheticals...... I was hoping for an answer to the questions posed intersting thinking? so when was the last time Harvey Normans owner had his home inspected, Dick Smith for that matter? or do u mean if a dog owner actually wished their home not to be raided. do not keep your dogs at home? rent a shop? warehouse? industrial area? for the purpose? seems a sensible idea. so if your home is not to be expected to be " transparent, open to scrutiny and open to inspection." you dont keep any or sell anyliving organisms . ie dogs, cats or any other form of animal life? i had already come to that conclusion

ooops forgot, the other despicable crime is like to give newbies a start and let em have main registration so they can hopefully become members and contribute to the future of their chosen breed. as we now know.. ethical breeders dont do that..... only pets on limit now was told recently if i promise to never sell on main register again, n did so, that all will be forgiven... except that conversation took place before i got the warning call all bets are off again.

go back to my rock n wait to see who of the precious ends up here begging for help down the track........lol....you too will have become a witch how sad

what makes me a puppy farmer? i do not show. it is even then the new unwritten law. you must show or you are a puppy farmer. why worry about adding anything else it aint necessary surely thats enough? phil burgess didnt show, she was a puppy farmer, yet decades later the very people who pillaried her were heard boasting they had found an elfreda to add to their kennel. odd it was a good dog when they owned it but not when its breeder did?