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surely you are joking? as i said earlier i knew a lady every one of her dogs were debarked and there were some 20 of them.. no how no way could they bark for help or yelp and not be heard. debarking DOES NOT SILENCE THE DOG FOR goodness sake. it lowers the pitch so it cant carry for miles . full stop. it certainly can be heard by the owner... well unless its out in the country and hundreds of yards from them. i have one of her dogs now and i can hear him 80 feet from me n how many suburban yards are much bigger than that nowdays? most even less what a crock of misinformation that seems to me from what i have seen and heard over 30 years with friends debarked dogs, anyway n the ones she had that bit, bit before they were done, some have attitude, others dont

you and i both. writing to the Minister for Agriculture got me nowhere. when i replied to that infamous letter pointing out he was in fact relying on purjured information he solved the delima by not replying to any letters from that point on. so politicions dont want to know when its not to their liking

what happened to judy guard too has nothing to do with the dogs welfare n everything to do with income generation. n these new laws are going to make this even more for em heck the vet put down the poor dog that she got her hands on before sending em in to seize the rest of judys dogs, does that sound like the welfare of the dog counts?

fogot to add after she signed them over, that was a wednesday. mm or tuesday, sorry too long ago to remember which of the two it was now. both I and a number of her friends phoned every day to ask to buy them. to be told every single time that "they were not available for sale yet" when i rang the saturday morning and told the same rubbish, i told the girl i knew this was a lie. that i was present when they were signed over the previous week and KNEW THEY ARE NOW AVAIALBLE. she then said.. "HO well i suppose it cant hurt. they went to mcgraths hill this morning" i franticly phoned all those interested in rescueing these horses and arrived there myself, just in time to watch that creature walk into the ring and make his speech. thereby banning me and anyone else who knew them from bidding. can u imagine how it felt watching helplessly as they were knocked down for slaughter.. never realising then my turn, at their hands was comming a few years later, luckily at least theres something to be said for not knowing what lays in store. but how to cope now i know this is how they operate is my problem

someone, well? can anyone explain to me how sending ten foals and their mothers, all quiet as, most of the mums broken in already. how being sold to the doggers could ever be construed as having found them "good homes"??

n before u finish deluding yourself those in control of the rspca are better people now. remember the now ceo of rspca nsw Steve Coleman? when I opened my dogs nsw journal and saw that smiling face with the cute n fluffy, dropped it like a hot potato. that was the face of the smiling assassion who send all marion alcorns arabians into the ring at mcgraths hill after telling all present, that "only the doggers are allowed to bid on these horses" the same smiling assassion who told marion alcorn, he would "find good homes" for them if she signed them over to the RSPCA. not hersay. I was with marion when she was told that and signed them over... I WAS AT MCGRATHS HILL, TO SEE AND HEAR THAT MONSTER. that was prior to my own learning curve.. i didnt know the name of the red haired monster, till i opened my journal that day. yes nice lot in charge of the care of all creatures great and small. james herriot would be apalled if he knew how twisted a lot are using his words now. to make the stupid, oops gullable, general public feel all warm m fuzzy

NEVER, is my suspicion. long as you keep focusing on the eliminating of "puppy farmers" your blinkers keep you from admitting or realising to the government and its minions, your all tarred by the same brush

Bowl cancer diagnosed in April(?) (14mth daughter, 2 1/2yr daughter)and the other was only diagnosed with a brain tumor in June (20mth twins,4yr boy). Not having a fantastic year and I feel so blessed to have my family. watching rpa last nite the doc said 1 in 6 people will get bowel cancer thats horrendious

Yes thats how it looks. Not that simple. There are many things which impact here and a public forum isnt the place to chat about them. Suffice to say assuming people who are involved in the dog world will put the dogs first over numerous other things is folly. so true, n one of the reasons is fellow breeders, as pointed out in the letter i received, use these "things" (special constables) to eliminate fellow breeders cute lot I really cant go on warning you about this. it just upsets me so im so sick every time i repeat it, just brings it all back, n the realisation it could happen all over again. If u have an animal, any animal. we have absoultely no one, no where to appeal when your attacked. when will u lot realise this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

n sadly point out my experience just proves to those who think they are "special" that such things as happened to me only occur because i "deserved it" all you who stupidly, yes STUPIDLY think that adhering to ANY...."CODE OF ETHICS" re-read this quote from the Minister for Agriculture, Richard Amery, its from a letter dated 14 june 2001 "If you conduct your business as outlined in the Code of Practice for dog breeding establishments you will have nothing to fear from further visits from RSPCA inspectors." he sent me the booklet. sooo what does that mean. BLOODY NOTHING FOLKS REMEMBER THIS HAPPEND TO ME 11 years ago. long before the new u beat ones now comming in. "one other breeder" send the dogs of war. the dogs of war took my dog despite the fact i was in complete compliance with the said booklet enclosed. proof surely when they failed to find anything at all chargable? but they still held my dog captive for 13 days, billed me to the max as they are entitled to by law. LIED to the said Minister for Agriculture as to the curcumstances that caused them to decide to steal my dog, N yes i have PROOF OF SAID LIES. ie. "Without proper records of your own or your veterianian, showing that String was under veterinary care, the inspectors could only rely on their own judgement. In this case Inspector Donnelly decided that Stringly's best interestst would be served by a proper veterinary examination and diagnostic workup at the RSPCA shelter." since at no time did the said inspector speak to my vet priot to the theft of the dog. even after taking the dog he did not avail himself to call my vet, whose name, number and address he had been given two weeks prior to the theft of the dog. and theft is was. since the escuse given never happend prior to said theft. except it cant be called theft, because the law is such that "special constables" only have to "form the opinion" the dog should be seized. why he felt it necessary to lie to the minister for agriculture i cannout guess, since the law gave him the right to take him regardless of any compliance with the so called piece of paper called "Code of Practice for dog breeding establishments " so u see i know from experience its a worthless piece of paper save perhaps for emergency use for toileting purposes. hide behind it all u wish. but dont expect to find any of your dogs left if some "special constable" decides to "form the opinon" to take one or all and bill you for the days weeks or months they decide to keep them. n now if i understand righly you will have to pay upfront or sign all ownership rights to them over to said seizing organisation, so i see absoultely no reason for any one to feel safe ever again now. ho, said inspector did finally speak to my vet, 3 days after they had my dog, and guess what? (and he didnt call my vet, my vet called them, every single day until he was finally permitted to speak to the seizing constable, BUT NVER IN ALL 13 DAYS WAS HE PERMITTED TO SPEAK TO THE VET CHOPPING UP MY DOG, WHO HAD ALREADY OVER VACCINATED A DOG ALREADY VACCINATED, FLEA TREATED A DOG ALREADY FLEA TREATED 48 HRS PRIOR TOSEIZURE SO A DOUBLE DOSE OF BOTH COULD HAVE CRASHED HIM, SINCE HE ONLY WEIGHED 1.2 KG, so dont tell me the actual well being of the dog was on the radar, specially since he was returned 13 days later suffering pnemonia n the now president of the veterinary association didnt even notice?) If your vet does not have it written in his records that your dog has nothing wrong with it WRITTEN IN PEN N INK then said vets oral word is inadmissable (well according to what they told the minister for agriculture?. get your head around that one kids. the only vets who do so when they see your dog, have been through this fiasco before. and in the case of mine he went with me every time i had a litter vaccinated because he loved going out and always came so he was seen every time i visited my vet. so he had every reson to know exactly his state of health. yet this information was given to richard amery AS THE REASON FOR SEIZING THE DOG. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO REST EASY OVER. get your silly heads around the truth they are answerable to no one, and they will tell the only minister they have to "report" too whatever they like. and i dont see where i can have em charged for perjury , can u?

I totally agree. I didnt know whether to laugh or scratch my head. How's the OP going - any update on whether you could get your paperwork? always leaves me thinking thats their way of saying SHUT UP! dont u think? i bought one of those collars recently, ummm does last year equate with recently . have a young dog that likes the sound of his own voice at the moment, the one that sprays "Dynavet" when he barks. had a wonderful week he finally got the idea. soft wuff n all ok. well he discovered it runs out didnt he? WUFF back with a vengence n im refilling it every 3 days, dont think its annoying him too much. sooo out with the rolled newspaper and much angry posturing n he finally decided hysterical uman aint getting him pats so has the message, peace reigns again. n now have a second hand collar stashed in the cupboard

n from what i saw with one dog i know, debarking doesnt always stick either. friend had a boy that would bark in his sleep. i looked after him for some weeks and couldnt wait to return him. nxt time i saw him he had a husky bark.. yep he had been done, the neighbours had totally jacked up. he moved and asked me to mind him till the new place was set up fences n all. 3 months later with much practice his dog had his bark back......loudn and clear.....sigh. heard he rehomed him to a car yard as a guard dog.. LOL out in the sticks middle of an industrial area no neighbours.. the perfect place for him no one absolutely no one could ever say they entered that yard n didnt know a dog was in there.....

yes i really do not understand the premise that a barking dog does so only because its depressed, lonely etc. there are many that just LOVE to talk the the WORLD. N BEING THE NEIGHBOUR to such a dog is pure misery. im fortunate in being far from the madding crowd dont even have to think of it. but i know when one of mine decides to go on all night, its under chastisement how worse if its not yours keeping u awake. know a friend in the city, all hers were done. neighbours just woulnt put up with even a yip. why is it people think they cant bark once done? hers sure could. just didnt carry all over the block like before.??

I've heard that the females commonly get a type of fatal aplastic anaemia due to bone marrow suppression from estrogen if they come on heat & aren't allowed to breed? Don't know much about it though since we don't keep ferrets as pets over here. :D \ yep lucky the thought police havent decided to make it law yet u cant breed a female ferret three seasons running eh? If left in season the jills do run a very high risk of developing Pyometra and/or Aplastic Anaemia. Unfortunately a lot of people use that as an excuse to breed willy-nilly without giving much thought to their breedings year after year, despite there being a lot of alternatives. Breeding to a vasectomised hob will bring them out of heat without a litter- a very good solution for people who have a lot of jills. No need to be breeding 10+ litters every year as I have heard of some folk doing! There is a hormone injection that can be given to bring a jill out of heat. It is best given two weeks after the ferret comes into season. Depending on the jill it may need to repeated twice. I have used this before with good results. And Suprelorin Implants. These will sterilise a jill for two years before returning her to full fertility. A wonderful way of ensuring a ferret can be properly tested before breeding. Ferret contraception is a fascinating topic. now that is interesting, i thought it was a case of they had to be bred or desexed

I've heard that the females commonly get a type of fatal aplastic anaemia due to bone marrow suppression from estrogen if they come on heat & aren't allowed to breed? Don't know much about it though since we don't keep ferrets as pets over here. \ yep lucky the thought police havent decided to make it law yet u cant breed a female ferret three seasons running eh?

I rehomed one of my older girls with a lovely chap she picked, his son had brought him looking for a puppy but silvy took one look and wanted him, his son said he had been diagnosed with cancer and didnt have long the doctors said. he promised to return silvy when the time came if they couldnt keep her. 7 years down the track he is still defying the doc's so u just dont know how long is a piece of string.

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions. By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit. Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise. I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed! We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them :p a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems. As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! You raised an interesting point. So butchers are not qualified to slaughter animals.....so then why is it okay for every Joan, Liz and Kerry to do so? Shouldn't be allowed, IMO. Makes me grimace at the thought that some woman (or man) with no clue whatsoever makes an attempt to kill an animal. That ex friend of mine went about killing her pet ducks with a pair of scissors.....they were once her pets and she decided to make a meal of them simply because she ran out of money to buy food! What a sorry excuse for a human being she was. yep she sure does, reminds me of a friend , we had water for dinner, while the kids had half an apple each. that was all the food there was in the house. hubby had used all of it on his new speed boat. wife n kids food??? not on his horizon sure have a nice way with words dont u This ex friend of mine was concerned with her own appetite, she doesnt have kids to feed nor a husband with a passion for speed boats (she was single); she didn't object to spending time at the pokies though...she didn't have an addiction to gambling....she just met up with some people one weekend and decided to spend every dime (from Centrelink) on this one occasion until hunger got the better of her and given that she likes her meat wayyyy too much decided to grab a pair of scissors before cutting her pet ducks' throat. And here you are saying that I have a nice way with words???? that is not what you said. go reread your own posts before getting back up into the saddle

you really dont get it do you? i do not but i do believe others not only have the right to decide but that neither I, or you have the right to decide for them or me, or anyone else let alone have the hide to tell them or me or anyone one else their motives. think long and hard before you go saying such things. as my mum used to say. when you accuse someone of such motives thats showing thats what you would be baseing what you say on what you were thinking and/or have done or thought yourself. so? what are you saying about yourself and your motives?

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions. By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit. Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise. I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed! We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them :p a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems. As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! You raised an interesting point. So butchers are not qualified to slaughter animals.....so then why is it okay for every Joan, Liz and Kerry to do so? Shouldn't be allowed, IMO. Makes me grimace at the thought that some woman (or man) with no clue whatsoever makes an attempt to kill an animal. That ex friend of mine went about killing her pet ducks with a pair of scissors.....they were once her pets and she decided to make a meal of them simply because she ran out of money to buy food! What a sorry excuse for a human being she was. yep she sure does, reminds me of a friend , we had water for dinner, while the kids had half an apple each. that was all the food there was in the house. hubby had used all of it on his new speed boat. wife n kids food??? not on his horizon sure have a nice way with words dont u

When you say that you kill steers there now.....do you mean the women are doing the killing? and if so, what method of slaughter is adopted? I know that some women during the depression killed animals but that doesn't entail each and every woman, right? Btw, the family need not starve DW....due to lack of meat....we humans can very well survive without it, it has more to do with the palate than anything else. gee moselle, get of your high horse. u know u can get hurt if it bucks n drops u

come to think of it, your right. although falling from some serious heights they seem to land ok. just remembered the lone broken leg was from getting a hind went through n caught in some mesh she landed on, n did a 360 spin before we even realised she was in trouble, not from falling. love that happy ferret grin sooo infectious eh?

Is this an adult forum or what? FFS I have to eat something surely not if it cant be guaranteed stress free? that was meant tongue firmly in cheek, though

Jesus are you still on this thread? That quoted above is probably one of the most idiotic posts ive ever read. So you dont eat lamb, (dont know what you're missing out on Moselle), you havent eaten pork 'for ages', not eaten beef in 18months (thats pretty specific is that something you're proud of?) but you eat chicken.... where does your chicken come from again? Are you having a go at vegos? It is a personal choice, and I assure you we are not all unbalanced and sexist she does seem to be bringing out the worst in us. think its the assumption if u dont think along the same lines your not a nice person. whatever happened to freedom of choice these days? frankly i think everyone has the right to decide if they are christian, muslim, jewish, meatmuncher, vegan, hunter, gather, lounge lizard or whatever gee as for the fanaticism that surfaces re religion,,, sheesh.... most babies end up the religion they were born too soo how can anyone decide which one is the RIGHT one. defies belief. fraid 9/11 would have to have been one of the saddest days of my life............. no where no way could that be justified its ok surely to have an opinion. think its the going one step further and attributing motives at well thats getting up peoples noses i suspect ie "so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than.... " is pretty uncalled for surely? bound to cause resentment, so dont plead suprised at the result

Really? How funny! yes it was a while back they discovered that, n that when a plant realises its being eaten some species start putting out stuff the make the rest of its leaves unpaletable so the muncher moves onto another plant... amazing eh? really makes u rethink your attitude to all around u but im afraid i too dont think id be friends with some one here for long. no better than the keep em barefoot n pregi brigade seems to me anyway. ive a neice who loves to go hunting, soo wants a trophy set of horns. n considering she was gone a week during school holidays and passed on every one she stalked because he wasnt big enough, i fail to see how the bloodthirsty tag could be applied. a whole week and never fired a shot because she considered none she stalked were up to what she was seeking. apparently even the tour guide was a bit astonished, everyone else setteled for a second best rather than go home with zilch. her attitude was the hunt itself was the main fun. n if she failed to find the ONE she was seeking. theres always next time, n yes shes still at school n yes she has uncles that taught her, n when they do bring home a trophy, they also bring home the meat,,,... smoked, baked u name it, fab fun.

I used to wash mine in eculypt wool wash ,, they would smell delightful for a week if i was lucky... if less... another scrub up if they were getting whiffy ... but u do tend to get used to em tooo. Piglets dont whiff too well either even though they are very clean.. actually ferrets are too.. found mine loved sleeping in shavings in their beds and they make them smell nice as well and clean up any oilyness they othewish get. would use those smaller pool chemical carriers. well washed and a hole in one side big enough to clean easy 2 inches of shavings inside and VERY CONTENTED ferrets. ditto in their litter tray.. tidy lot arent they nn dont they love hammocks. although if they just used the hammocks and not their shavings beds gee the hamocks would get dirty from the oil from their coats