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lol then i can dob in the mastif on the corner and the two idiot staffies down the road eh? the charged their front fence so fast my horse in the first instance totaly freaked out and did three spins as i tried to stop her leaping onto the road and maybe hit by a car, n managed to avoid a broken nose when some part of her hit me in the melleee. as for the wretched staffies. she managed a 15 foot leap from a standing start they simply came from "nowwhere" to screaming in her face n hitting the fence with their full weight. thought i was a goner for sure. lucky the leap was down the footpath n not onto the road n get cleaned up by a passing car in either instance. (no i dont ride on the edge of the road anymore. after two motorists ran into the butt of my horse with the excuse " i didnt see you". horses tend to be hard to panel beat. broken bones are usually fatal) pity they are allowed access to the front fence when they are like that, these lot are on acagerage. suppose at least they were fenced in? so many owners just let em roam to have a go whenever they please. some days i wish i had a gun. i know the dangers my dogs have no access to the front fence for just that reason.

yes had the same thought. why bother with another additional ? "HOT" line? only thing i can see is its just like the govt depts another addition to office staff costings thats already catered for as you said.

Me too my first dog, Pickle was a toy poodle from Bel Ami kennels, was just like that when i bought him. 19 moths later he had recolour mixed em and was a stunning silver... they can do some weird things when the silver is in the mix well i think that was the spelling.

Nah! I don't believe most people think testing resolves all problems. I think testing for possible inherited problems would lead good breeders to change direction with their breeding program if they thought it necessary. However it seems testing is not very helpful with SM. From what I'm learning, it can crop up when there has been no evidence of problems in the ancestors. Is it a recessive gene? Good breeders want to breed healthy dogs. I doubt most ethical breeders would use breeding stock that have been proven to suffer from SM. The unethical ones wouldn't give a rats and there is no shortage of the unethical ones. The trick is knowing how and where to find the good breeders. I feel pretty sure that everyone knows testing is an investigative process, it's not curative and nothing is 100% predictable when breeding a living organism. maybe im injected with pollyanna virus.. but i really think and want to believe such people are greatly in the minority. unlike your words seem to imply to me, or am i misunderstanding?

even more damming is the special constables. they dont want trained in animal care. they want them ex police with prosecution experience, willing to undergo animal care course. so all that power in the hands of people who dont even have the knowledge to "form the opinion" to seize and destroy nor do they have to do any more than attend the course, they dont have to even listen let alone pass. when im dead and gone, remember THAT. these are the people with the power to destroy lives and the victums pets. anyway, im out of it. once youve been rolled even if they didnt get anything to destroy me in the courts,I have been smoked n therefore will always be labled, mad, hysterical forget all the other stuff u say to fob off the now tainted fools who KNOW whats waiting for the rest of u when its your turn.

think about it. for an organisation that supposedly cares for "alll creatures great and small" the most noticable thing about many working for it is the almost utter lack of even basic knowledge.... that shit of a tv show displays that in spades every week. if anyone on a station chased a sheep like those cretins did, and laughing their heads off as the sheep was going dangerously close to in shock, they would have been fired if an employee and in the dreadfully deep pits if a family member. how that sheep didnt die was no fault of that lot then the drama of the pony in the hole. grief the hole was in the side of a dam wall???? the very backhoe they lifted the pony out with could have simply opened the hole out from the side and walked the pony out. no where near as dramatic though. agonised for the poor pony though if it had slid out the sling a broken leg wouldnt have made the episode as thrilling, and the risk didnt need to have been taken

put the same idea to many in other pet and animal oriented clubs and they just dont seem to get it. the majority of people who are members and VOTE in the rspca are tree huggers with as much clue about animals and their well being as the idiot who once told me my horse was in agony because he was sweating???? considering it was 90 deg day and he was cantering, hot n sweaty is the norm but could i tell this idiot that all horses sweat when they are hot????????? not on your nelly as a lady who is a pet lover, has none but pays her donations and membership yearly told me, she had a newsletter asking her to sign up all her friends and family as it had been discovered that Peta intended infiltrating and taking over. since they dont have peta's membership list whats the odds they havent a pretty good rollup and untracable. lol yet are we who are the ones they are after have any representation in an organisation we legally all have the right to join and vote????????????

but then there is another doable havnt had any luck getting off the ground and i did think i put the idea to some pretty cluey people on the dogs nsw committee. and that was have all members on renewal pay the extra , think its 6 or 10 dollars to become rspca members. considering the membership is a few thousand people, if they all signed proxy forms at renewal so the board has them for rscpa meetings then people who actually know animals could be voted in. ok it puts a lot of power in the hands of the cc committee members but isnt that what members expect? representation? imagine it. worthless out of a job and people who actually do know what they are doing on the rspca board instead of solititors and peta reps? is that such a bad thing? but its never got off the ground. even encouraging members to become members in their own right and get off all our collectives and vote could have the same result. the rspca at the moment dont have the names and addressess of every cc member.. but they will soon. as it stands now its only cc committee members that rspca can find out and cancel their membership as they have done in the past. interesting isnt it, anyone can be a member of the rspca. except anyone they discover is a committee member of a canine council? remember the case of whoever had been a rspca member for many years then to the rspca.s horror he was elected chairman of the nsw cc.. his member ship was immediately cancelled. yep not only unanswerable to anyone but pretty predjuiced too

I do not like the thought either but feel something drastic needs to be done and soon. What are other options? As far as the ANKC taking action, that would be another issue that would be addressed if breeders stopped breeding. Again the outcome is not certain. But if everyone lets their prefix laps, which you then have 5 years to reinstate, for those 5 years you are not a breeder and you are not paying prefix dues. There would also be no pups registered. All loss of funds. ANKC would have to reorganize due to the loss of funds. Now more people are affected, ribbon supplies, dog shows connected such as motels and restaurants, agility trials and so forth would all be at risk. No dog at the Royals would attract more attention provided their several ANKC booths handing out information. It would also demonstrate clearly where the ANKC needs to reorganize. Their role needs to be much more than just keeping records and insurance providers. Anyway it is just an idea, but truly we have reached the point where something has to be done. As far as breeders being afraid of loosing their dogs, Steve is totally right. As much as those who want to bring an end to dog ownership might unfairly paint most dog breeders as a bunch of criminal dog abusers, we love our dogs. We would do anything, including not breed, if that is what it takes to keep our dogs home and safe. We should not be held emotional hostage. now i see where your comming from. hey that is do able. imagine it. not a pedigree dog registered for even a year. then let em explain where all the puppies are comming from

They don't want to believe it, let alone know about it. To do either would mean they'd have no plausible excuse to not involve themselves in one way or another on behalf of their constituent. I spoke to my local parliamentarian about this and as soon as I informed him what had happened his response was something along the lines of "oh, they must have found some reason for taking the dogs". The inference being that he didn't believe what I was saying; that there must be more to in than what I was saying. Bottom line was that he wasn't interested. yes the guilty unless proven innocent. n then we cant forget the where thers smoke theres fire i suppose if you have an animal maybe these two automaticily then come into force, have been made its a law after, all n maybe they just forgot to tell the mug joe public?

Desex her quickly before it gets worse and you may be fine. Desexing does help unfortunately it doesnt always work, i know a lady had to rehome her pup? yep wsnt even 12 months old. desexed n all and she wanted to KILL her origianl bitch. she was NO lady.

HERE HERE. and even more disturbing, even if the politicans were unaware how an innocent like judy could be so victamised. because of their mistake in making such folly law? WHY havent they revoked it? why havnt they intervened and thown it out of court? how can anyone justify that vet who put judy's rehomed dog down "because it wasnt properly socialised?" gee whizz folks that dog was a show dog, its breed standard is "aloof of strangers" or words to that effect. frankly id rather be seeing the vet in court for "wrongfull destruction of a perfectly healthy animal"

yes this is exactly my point. i dont want to be forced to be a vegetarian because some group reckons it bad to breed animals for meat (or profit) people really need to think of the long term consequences of some of the arguments put forward on this forum. AND THAT is the whole problem. they dont. as for ellez saying i was tarring ALL breeders? i said no such thing, i did say there are those who do and they tend to be the leaders of those who have been pushing the get rid of backyarders n unethical's without realising where making that into hate n now as it has become legislation is going to roll over ALL.

Assumption much asal!!!!! Sorry, but aside from the fact that I find it incredibly difficult to read your posts due to lack of punctuation and capital letters.....a lot of what you say is absolute crap based upon your own misconceptions and pre-conceived ideas of dog breeders. sweetie, just talk to your own vet. thats not assumptions, the rate of bitches who have never had a litter naturally is amazing and some are generations of such mums. one breeders bitches wont even feed their pups past day 10 so they are hand fed from then, thats not assumptions. has been breeding for decades that breed. imagine a newbie starting out with a bitch pup from such lines. they will be wreaks trying to understand why the pups are hungry. another friend out coonabarabran bred their bitch and discovered she couldnt deliver so had to drive 200 km to nearest vet. to learn 4 generations of ceasers behind her. does not look like assumptions to me anyway DARLING, I've been breeding purebred dogs for 24 years and I know for a FACT that I don't tolerate consistently problematic lines and I do not take over from mother nature without a VERY good reason. I would also suggest that very few breeders enjoy having to spend a lot of money on sections that could be avoided. I would also hazard a guess that asking some vets may not be a good idea because some of them LOVE recommending unneccessary sections because it is a lovely source of ready revenue. So, until you are a dog breeder and KNOW for a fact what goes on behind closed doors, you should probably just keep your assumptions to yourself because each and every time you put your fingers to your keyboard, you show yourself to be a nasty, spiteful person with a lot of opinion and very little real knowledge about certain issues. We all KNOW you've had your issues with the RSPCA but to be honest, you are sounding more and more like that organisation and the gardener every day and that is of great concern IMO. thanks, didnt realise it

To be honest, the way you're going, I'm surprised you've made it thus far! yes its best to keep your head down and say naught. but i discovered that doesnt work either. it was one of them that send the dogs of war and string copped the punishment for belonging to me. so hiding doesnt work either. somehow i suspect it was one of the same that sent em after tom couchman, that notice of motion was only the edge of the wheel thats been pushed in his direction. wish him luck its pretty traumatising to discover your on a hit list in one way i do find it amusing that the kill mentality they have workd on for so long has had the effect i could see comming. i do really real sad for judy guard. but it wasnt me who set the wheels in motion and they are now and yes they are going to roll... over all ... including them who is the loser? the dogs and breeds that will be battling to survive into the future but how can you make those that started this going see, hate ingulfs all not just some?

Assumption much asal!!!!! Sorry, but aside from the fact that I find it incredibly difficult to read your posts due to lack of punctuation and capital letters.....a lot of what you say is absolute crap based upon your own misconceptions and pre-conceived ideas of dog breeders. sweetie, just talk to your own vet. thats not assumptions, the rate of bitches who have never had a litter naturally is amazing and some are generations of such mums. one breeders bitches wont even feed their pups past day 10 so they are hand fed from then, thats not assumptions. has been breeding for decades that breed. imagine a newbie starting out with a bitch pup from such lines. they will be wreaks trying to understand why the pups are hungry. another friend out coonabarabran bred their bitch and discovered she couldnt deliver so had to drive 200 km to nearest vet. to learn 4 generations of ceasers behind her. does not look like assumptions to me anyway

It isn't just the animal rights people though. A lot of breeders seem want to foster attitude that you can't breed on anything other than a small scale and do it well. When I have said on this forum that there is a place for good, ethical, registered breeders breeding sound, healthy, typey pure bred puppies for companion homes - testing them occassionally in the show ring but without the show ring being the whole point of breeding - it has been breeders on here who have howled me down and said I support puppy farmers and am anti registered breeder. I have found as much dispute amongst the registered breeder community on this issue as within the broader community. So no, it isn't time I did any such thing. All the DoL breeders have managed to do for me on the issue is cause confusion, I'm not going to be answering any call to arms from them any time soon. yes the majority of leaders of the unethical kill squads tend to be liddle old ladies with a small number. they THINK their shit dont stink and anyone who dont fit their mould needs to be eradicated and are too self possessed to twig they too are in the kill list once the dogs of war are unleashed as they too cant guarantee they will never get a problem pup so bingo.....unethical after all but hey no sheep in to top paddock so no hope of getting through to them ha steve, a friend has a pup from one of em, champions all n you should see the bottom jaw. looks like a shark in dogs fur... have to get a pic..... its breeders consider themselves tops of the ethicals and have been pushing the hate for "backyarders n unethicals" from they day they got their memberships suppose if i named the prefixes i might not see the nxt morning

It isn't just the animal rights people though. A lot of breeders seem want to foster attitude that you can't breed on anything other than a small scale and do it well. When I have said on this forum that there is a place for good, ethical, registered breeders breeding sound, healthy, typey pure bred puppies for companion homes - testing them occassionally in the show ring but without the show ring being the whole point of breeding - it has been breeders on here who have howled me down and said I support puppy farmers and am anti registered breeder. I have found as much dispute amongst the registered breeder community on this issue as within the broader community. So no, it isn't time I did any such thing. All the DoL breeders have managed to do for me on the issue is cause confusion, I'm not going to be answering any call to arms from them any time soon. yes the majority of leaders of the unethical kill squads tend to be liddle old ladies with a small number. they THINK their shit dont stink and anyone who dont fit their mould needs to be eradicated and are too self possessed to twig they too are in the kill list once the dogs of war are unleashed as they too cant guarantee they will never get a problem pup so bingo.....unethical after all but hey no sheep in to top paddock so no hope of getting through to them n think about it, how many dog breeders even rate a bitch by her ability to self whelp AND raise her pups herself? so few even give that a thought so many generations of ceasered pups that a vet on the payroll is a must for so many breeds now, is that really on the ethical radar? used to be considered important to the early breeders but then there wasnt a vet at nearly every interesction like today. but what about those out west of the divide??? any bitch sold that direction from such breeding is facing an uncertain future unless desexed. detest the garden knome but that was one point it raised i agree with

It isn't just the animal rights people though. A lot of breeders seem want to foster attitude that you can't breed on anything other than a small scale and do it well. When I have said on this forum that there is a place for good, ethical, registered breeders breeding sound, healthy, typey pure bred puppies for companion homes - testing them occassionally in the show ring but without the show ring being the whole point of breeding - it has been breeders on here who have howled me down and said I support puppy farmers and am anti registered breeder. I have found as much dispute amongst the registered breeder community on this issue as within the broader community. So no, it isn't time I did any such thing. All the DoL breeders have managed to do for me on the issue is cause confusion, I'm not going to be answering any call to arms from them any time soon. yes the majority of leaders of the unethical kill squads tend to be liddle old ladies with a small number. they THINK their shit dont stink and anyone who dont fit their mould needs to be eradicated and are too self possessed to twig they too are in the kill list once the dogs of war are unleashed as they too cant guarantee they will never get a problem pup so bingo.....unethical after all but hey no sheep in to top paddock so no hope of getting through to them

Recently hubby and I purchased a Show Puppy, my mother was horrified that we werent getting her desexed, she accused us of wanting to breed her to make money off her suffering and pain. In her eyes people who breed any dog deserve to be hung drawn and quartered. I asked her where do you think your pet came from??? A cornflake packet????? Needless to say she did not like my comment and I did try to get her to see reason but as hubby says...someone let the gate open in the top paddock and let all the sheep out. so you might as well bang your head against a brick wall for all the good my reasoning did. She still thinks that we will be churning out puppy litters galore and that hubby and i will be rich. see, you mum is being ethical. and theres an awful lot of sheep no longer in the "top paddock" anymore

n there u have it in a nutshell. the ethicals with one brood are not the people who make the real contribution to a breed it is the people like your friend and they will no longer be permitted, it is comming , really it has come. and this thread alone proves it

exactly. been through the mill recently re that "show" pup. gee 8 weeks its spot on. 8 months the rest of the dogs great like two challenges. BUT the adult bottom teeth come in slanting forward n it wasnt the "general public" telling the owner who "has shown for decades" another breed. that blue papers mean guarantee its going to be showable n make champion n to get her money back. n one of the rat pack told me, never sells a MR until its adults are through and capable of winning? so if even the showies are saying any MR has to be capable of winning challenges or the breeders unethical if they dont take it back.. what else can u expect from joe public? can you guarantee how your childs adult teeth are going to come through ? even if your parents died of old age and your nothing worse wrong with you than wear n tear, can u really in all honesty guaratee your own offspring a lifetime heath guarantee????? yet thats what puppy buyers are asking for and expecting now. as i told one guy. u want a lifetime guarateee? then go to the breeders who are offering it. whats the odds they will be even members 5 or 6 years down the track when the chooks come home to roost? only recently my vet gave a pup all clear, clients vet, screamed youve been ripped off puppy has heart murmer... major embarassing... yesterday 3rd vaccination nnnnnnn three different vets cant find a thing? the last one my vet picked up a suspicius murmer gave her to a reli, shes 3 now and perfect.... but if the vets cant even agree what hope for us mugs? perhaps its true, only unethical breeders get any imperfects? which like the backyard term.......means? we all have backyards..... sooo just who is going to be left when every backyarder u unethical is gone? but hey who wants to be realistic its a perfect world for the ethical........ isnt it?

MY point exactly, sparkycat. I am apalled that some posters here are of the opinion that it is "vexatious" to report a puppy miller, I would have thought that breeders...esp from this forum would have been up in arms about puppy farmers but instead all kinds of excuses are being entered into as a means to defend them, go figure you are not looking at how IT IS. yes its been said for decades puppy farmers are evil, must be eliminated. she is being a good girl, she has reacted like programmed. but? so far it is not illegal to breed, it wont be long before it is though. and reporting to the rspca to "eliminate" has also been going on for decades. that doesnt make it right to use them to destroy the lives of someone you either never met. or have decided u dont like but thats what IT IS. they might be all she thinks they are, BUT they might also not be. but it is now evil to breed unless you intend to keep the pups, even more evil to breed many breeds, even more evil it thats possible to cross breeds.nn the show fraternity are forgetting there are those who firmly believe its evil to breed for wins regardless of health issues. n so the witch hunt widens and who will be left? since so many have so many different perceptions, the answer looks like being, not many n since welfare groups dont breed, wonder where the future pet is going to come from? clones?

Yep. melodrama sells. as for the golden retriever being safe? considering had to hold a hose at full bore into the face of my neighbours to stop the attack when his idiot owner phoned me and asked would i please help her as he had brought home a goats head and she didnt want to kids to come home from school and see that. n she couldnt bring herself to touch it to put in the wheelie bin ... please could u do it? what the bitch didnt tell me was the mongrel was attacking her when she tried to pick it up. so muggins goes over. picks up the head, chucks it in n realises the dogs comming for me n he aint bluffing hate to think of what might have been if i hadnt been near the tap and had time to flick it full on and half drown the mongrel as he came for me. yep, hose on full bore stright to the nose does help deter em somewhat. although had to back to the door n inside to escape him till he calmed down. she then explained "hes very food protective" when i asked her what on earth brought that on? as for letting a dog that size free roam of the streets...... sheesh anyway as for cattle dogs, i grew up where every second house had one and nver been bitten in my life. but one of my pet hates is so many bred that never were registered and so many select em for how savage they are and proud of it? these are the moran minds that brought in the pit bulls. even scarier so have to have it. its the people like that are the problem not the poor dogs, they are the victums of this mindset

totally unacceptable doing that to wild ones. the trained goats are amazing. n if u want to win a sannan or anglo nubian wether is the way to go. the size these guys can grow to is astounding