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having a friend who took up roo harvesting/roo shooter. went out with them for a week. ye gads. had nightmares for years. every shot landed just behind n slightly below the ear. clean kill every time. n im talking hundreds. only once did they accidently hit one with a joey in the pouch and it was tiny. and put down immediatly. the realisation what these men could do if they went nutters like the strathfield massacre scared me witless. as for why do they cull. most of the stations we went through there were more roos per paddock than sheep. no wonder the farmers are having it tough, in the droughts its even worse. plant crops for your stock and its a sea of roos every night. those who think the eastern grey or the big fellas are endangered need a trip out coonamable way. to me i felt pretty sorry for the farmers. they supply the feed and water, pay the rates and the roo shooters harvest a crop on their land and pocket the proceeds... nice job if you have the talent and it sure is a talent. i couldnt shoot that straight night after night like that. also. they never took small ones.. always the biggest...so considering the majorty of a mob are mid age and younger there wasnt any culling of the females unless they were really big ones . no no reduction in next generation. so little relief for the farmer long term anyway.

interesting he says dogs dont pass it on? not what the family who were pressured into putting their kelpie down dont need to find out after the fact

I know how disappointed when a old time breeder sold me a "brood bitch" 12 months old knowing she had grade 4 luxating patella. being a novice i didnt have a clue what i was looking at, but sure learned fast. if there were photos of the different grades walking, newbies would know on the spot what they were looking at. who knows, maybe even that old breeder didnt realise what it was. my vet sure did.

if breeders got off their collective butts and began addressing reducing the incidence of breathing , walking, u name it problems that puppy buyers find in their pets...... surely a breed that needs constant vet care needs reevaluating by the breeders long before a doco like "pedigree dogs exposed " ever got the chance to be made? its been a long time comming. now the pidgeons have come home to roost and there is more butt covering than proacting.. pity

now you are on the mark. everyone and anyone can become interested in becoming a registered breeder. just as there are billions of people now on this planet there are equally billions with very different ideas. the big mistake members of the canine bodies made was decide to begin witchhunts for "backyard/puppy farmers" among the registered breeder ranks. instead of witchhunts in which as usual no one can even agree on what that actually constitutes. why couldnt it intead be an education program.. on the lines of.. What are you looking for in a Pedigreed puppy. educate puppy buyers what to look for! bright eyes, clean coat, health checked parents etc etc learn the breeds strong points and the problem points. do you mind if your puppy's parents have 3 hernia's as long as they are australian champions.? do you mind if the parents never saw a show but look lovely AND dont have hernia's? the list can get pretty long but isnt educating a buyer what to look for themselves going to help? always ask can you return the pup if your vet finds something not right? if the answer is no, keep looking. ... does mum and dad walk normally, do their eyes look normal? what does their mouth look like? if they look odd then the puppys could too. surely this would sort out things far better and less damage to the membership than witch hunting? i asked this question a very looooooong time ago and no one seems to be learning much and look where its got them. running scared because now all registered breeders risk being branded...just like they were warned in the first place. told u so has a nice ring to it.

There is a heck of a lot of confusion. ive friends who have told me they have bought a "registered" dog or puppy. when they show me the "registration" its their microchip papers for council registration????? so to many people "registered" is assumed to mean pedigree but they have no idea what they are supposed to receive for that. In these cases all they have is a lifetime registration with the council one word can sure have a lot of different meanings cant it?

such happy news, now to get him to fess up as to where hes been and whats hes been up too.

They are still dogs right? Dogs are living animals and as such may have flaws, quirks, failings. There are no perfect living things. maybe im getting it wrong, but seems the infernece is registered breeders are supposed to have perfect ones? with no realisation that all animals have their own personality regardless of who bred them or raised them . well remember a litter of 9 and one black and tan girl steadfastly stayed in the bed they were raised refusing to leave even to try food as they grew older. she was a loner no matter how much attention was paid to her, then at 2 years after her owner had began to despair all she ever wanted to do was watch the world go by, began to interact with the other dogs and the family. by 3 she was happlily part of the group. but as a puppy, she was a worry.

so right, my uncle had a pet male raised when his mum was hit by a car, living in the outback, eg station out of Inverell, there was no way he could be stopped from returning to the homestead but he was very docile so he was allowed to stay, and came and went over the years with no problems. except one day a drunken shearer decided to box him and hit him so hard blood came from his nose and one ear. he shook his head, leaped forward, grabbed the shearer round the torso and in one stoke disembowled him. the idiot died and the roo had to be shot for everyones safety. incredibly sad for all concerned. just watch a video of a roo fight and realise never let a roo grab you or grab at you. they are very good at defence, deadly defence. never take a roo for granted.

They can tell a dogs external heath - glowing coat, good muscle tone and fitness, clear and bright eyes, happy in itself etc. They can assess a dogs basic mental health - happy to be there, bright, aware, comfortable in what it is doing. They can assess a dogs structural health - how it meets the structural standard for the breed, how the dogs structure supports or hinders its ability to do its job, how the dog moves, that it is happy and comfortable moving at a pace and in a style suitable for the breed. They can NOT assess long term genetic or internal health or look into a crystal ball and see how the dog will be health-wise tomorrow or a year from now. But that is not the role of a dog show judge. A judge is there to judge TO THE STANDARD. The standard does not address health isses beyond the types of things I have listed above which can be assessed EXTERNALLY on the dog in front of the judge. Any further assessment of health is carried out by the breeder, sometimes under the auspices of official and formal schemes run by the ANKC, breed club or other organisations and sometimes not. Assessment in accordance with the standard by a show judge is just part of it and never ever have dog shows set themselves up to be a one stop shop assessment of all elements of the 'health' of a dog :thumbsup: "Assessment in accordance with the standard by a show judge is just part of it and never ever have dog shows set themselves up to be a one stop shop assessment of all elements of the 'health' of a dog" I remember being told something along those lines once, when i queried how could a dog well actually two dogs become australian champions with three hernia's in another case again two dogs, was looking after them for friends on holiday and my 7 yr old visitor asked whats wrong with them. as i was going to the vet for one of mine i took the pair just to make sure they were ok, i had noticed they moved funny myself. grade 4 patella was the answer. if a 7 yr old child could see something was not normal. i asked how could they win 100 challenge points? to be told by a judge the above. with the additional comment judges are not vets. as for the hernias? where is making champions with these bettering any breed? walked away shaking my head and still wondering

how weird? it double posted

was that the arab stallion who used to do endurance races when he was in his late 20's? Cant recall his name but I think I'd know if it I heard it. fancy remembering that. it was so many years ago. this ones name was Aeneas and he won 5 tom quilty 100 mile buckles without a single vetout. considering the average vetout rate was 60% n more. then went on to win ironwoman races against horses a third his age. with margins of half and 1/4 of a mile Yep, that's the one! Aeneas I believe he was dual registered as an Australian Stock Horse. What is your connection to him? Yes he was. He was my best freind, partner and forever is in my heart. He brought me out on the other side of a very hard peroid of my life. Thank you

was that the arab stallion who used to do endurance races when he was in his late 20's? Cant recall his name but I think I'd know if it I heard it. fancy remembering that. it was so many years ago. this ones name was Aeneas and he won 5 tom quilty 100 mile buckles without a single vetout. considering the average vetout rate was 60% n more. then went on to win ironwoman races against horses a third his age. with margins of half and 1/4 of a mile

awesome reminds me of this photo, the horse is 26 years old

Sorry. but showing a dog by the very nature of its activity is a great way to socialise a dog. Where do you get unsocialised Show Dogs??? you would think so, but with a breed whose very standard says, suspicious of strangers, doesnt mean its not socalised, it does mean it doesnt go wagging its tail to strangers... sadly judy guards rehomed one that started judys nighmare didnt like the vet and everything went down hill from there, including said vet convincing the new owner the dog needed to be euthanised.. such a sad outcome on all fronts. when will some like that vet realise a dog does have rights to not like everyone...seems that dog was a very good judge of character in hindsight.

how apalling, so everything old is new again. never forget everyones horror some 50 yrs ago when the neighbours cat dissappeared only to be discovered when he returned home all his claws and teeth had been pulled out. didnt take einstein to figure what his intended fate had been. the good news was he led a happy and contented life for a further ten years and no...no stranger could get within a 100 mtrs of him either anymore.

so how do you define "sound decisions" been reading a thread on a suspected HD puppy. didnt take long to suspect the ethics of the breeder. "She was xrayed by the vet and there is no actual bone damage yet (as far as he could tell, and they looked perfectly fine to me), he just said there would be if she didn't get the weight off and stop over doing it with jumping, walking on back legs and running as her ligaments(?) are way too long, allowing her hips to pop in and out. I did contact the breeder a couple of months ago as she was already 6 kilos at 4 months (from memory, not sure exactly) and I was worried. Her reply was that the other puppies in the litter were also that weight. Obviously getting the sinking feeling that I have paid a puppy farmer." then wonders of wonders it was discovered pup is super gangly growing phase and very overweight for age. so no one is safe. considering how many 0 dogs and bitches can and do produce varying degrees of HD in the susceptable breeds and even some that its rarely seen can have it happen. i know of a pup was never better than the runt, the breeder spent mega time giving it every chance but it was one third the size of its litter mates . it was sold to a pet home at only the cost of its vaccinations as the breeder was concerned about its size suspecting dwarfism or something like that although it passed all its puppy checks fine but by 12 months was diagnosed with a form of hd. although no op was needed. bingo one unethical breeder. having bred best in show winners and never one like it before is no protection from your reputation down the gurglier with one disaster. so is a puppy farmer anyone who has a subsound pup ever turn up? that will rule out every breeder sooner or later, thats how breeding works. there is a very old saying.....put the best to the best and hope, for the best.....what does that mean? you have absolutely no guarantees the progeny will turn out half as good as the parents. and why does the story of the ugly duckling exist? because so many ugly duckings can turn out to be the swan, leaving an awful lot with egg on their faces. so if you ever breed you better realise one day (unless you never sell a pup) the day WILL COME, when you will be accused of being a puppy farmer................

waiting with baited breath.... that should be real interesting steve..........

Paypal. Thanks she doesnt want to pay using paypal... as you get the fees with it. Will tell her direct deposit You have to pay more for an international money transfer anyway. Pay pal is instant and clears straight away. the other can take days. exactly. why pay 30 for a $160 bank cheque for nz when paypal is a fraction of that?

how incredibly sad he didnt make it to the same trees he told his wife too.

you poor thing. some vet nurses,, some vets too for that matter need a lesson in manners. bit of humaity too at times. never forget the vet who had the hide to tell me any dog that cant tolerate ivermectin should die, that would eliminate the weak from the breed. also told me same thing about my chihuahua litter that he killed, he vaccinated them all with the full one ml dose, knowing his boss (he was a new employee) only ever vaccinated my 7 week old ones with half a mil as we had found too many died otherwise. the only satisfaction i got was he was fired. all 4 of my beautiful bitch pups died, being their mums last litter, n only daughters didnt help the grieving either.

I cant remember a time ive ever referred to a pup as pet quality? how many times have we kept what we at the time thought was the pick of the litter. Remember it IS the breeder who does get first pick. hands up how many have seen others from the same litter turn out better than your "pick" puppy? I ask, do you want a pet? or to show? If a pup has a fault that will put it down the line i say so and show that that fault is. But even then the swan can transform into the duckling and the duckling become the swan. even decided to hedge my bets and get the advice of not one but two international judges. the result? the worst pup in the litter by 9 months perfect mouths can go wrong. glorious bodies can go oooops imperfect mouths can become MAGNIFICANT.. gawky heads legs etc etc can do what? but already desexed so..live n learn nothing is black and white the only ones who havent seen it havent seen their puppies again as adults would be my suspicion.

one thing not mentioned is the large number sold as "pets" which in fact are show quality. There are far more people who are looking for a quality pet. People who want a "show" quality pup (to actually show it) are the minority. The majority are people with or without children who want a beautiful puppy. Others are happy to take a puppy with a fault. Others Want a puppy that looks like it belongs in the show ring. They have no wish to show, or breed but want a puppy as good as they can get. As a breeder, what greater reward than to see a magnificant representaive of their kennel out and about in public. turning heads where ever they go. To be honest. Where do you think your dog will be most noticed? At a show where the majority present are breeders themselves?

I agree Crisovar, personally I find the term 'furbaby' far more offensive than 'pet quality'. personally i find it hilarious. set a litter loose. let the family who "nly want a pet" take their pick, so who do they unerringly point too? your favourite in the entire litter.....every single time. I don't allow buyers to select their own puppy, I always decide which puppy is the most suitable for each family and anyone who comments on my 'furbabies' earns my instant disapproval excellent way to decide on which one the breeder should keep though if any doubts which one instead of eeny, meenie, miny, moe. learnt very quickly.. never leave the one you intend to keep anywhere it can be spotted.

I agree Crisovar, personally I find the term 'furbaby' far more offensive than 'pet quality'. personally i find it hilarious. set a litter loose. let the family who "nly want a pet" take their pick, so who do they unerringly point too? your favourite in the entire litter.....every single time. who says Pets are lesser dogs? I sure dont. in the case of the toy breeds in particular. for goodness sake thats what they are AND WERE bred for IN THE FIRST PLACE. P E T S..... The show scene is a new additon to the landscape in the real time frame sceme of things.