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you really dont get it do you? i do not but i do believe others not only have the right to decide but that neither I, or you have the right to decide for them or me, or anyone else let alone have the hide to tell them or me or anyone one else their motives. think long and hard before you go saying such things. as my mum used to say. when you accuse someone of such motives thats showing thats what you would be baseing what you say on what you were thinking and/or have done or thought yourself. so? what are you saying about yourself and your motives?

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions. By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit. Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise. I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed! We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them :p a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems. As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! You raised an interesting point. So butchers are not qualified to slaughter animals.....so then why is it okay for every Joan, Liz and Kerry to do so? Shouldn't be allowed, IMO. Makes me grimace at the thought that some woman (or man) with no clue whatsoever makes an attempt to kill an animal. That ex friend of mine went about killing her pet ducks with a pair of scissors.....they were once her pets and she decided to make a meal of them simply because she ran out of money to buy food! What a sorry excuse for a human being she was. yep she sure does, reminds me of a friend , we had water for dinner, while the kids had half an apple each. that was all the food there was in the house. hubby had used all of it on his new speed boat. wife n kids food??? not on his horizon sure have a nice way with words dont u

When you say that you kill steers there now.....do you mean the women are doing the killing? and if so, what method of slaughter is adopted? I know that some women during the depression killed animals but that doesn't entail each and every woman, right? Btw, the family need not starve DW....due to lack of meat....we humans can very well survive without it, it has more to do with the palate than anything else. gee moselle, get of your high horse. u know u can get hurt if it bucks n drops u

come to think of it, your right. although falling from some serious heights they seem to land ok. just remembered the lone broken leg was from getting a hind went through n caught in some mesh she landed on, n did a 360 spin before we even realised she was in trouble, not from falling. love that happy ferret grin sooo infectious eh?

Is this an adult forum or what? FFS I have to eat something surely not if it cant be guaranteed stress free? that was meant tongue firmly in cheek, though

Jesus are you still on this thread? That quoted above is probably one of the most idiotic posts ive ever read. So you dont eat lamb, (dont know what you're missing out on Moselle), you havent eaten pork 'for ages', not eaten beef in 18months (thats pretty specific is that something you're proud of?) but you eat chicken.... where does your chicken come from again? Are you having a go at vegos? It is a personal choice, and I assure you we are not all unbalanced and sexist she does seem to be bringing out the worst in us. think its the assumption if u dont think along the same lines your not a nice person. whatever happened to freedom of choice these days? frankly i think everyone has the right to decide if they are christian, muslim, jewish, meatmuncher, vegan, hunter, gather, lounge lizard or whatever gee as for the fanaticism that surfaces re religion,,, sheesh.... most babies end up the religion they were born too soo how can anyone decide which one is the RIGHT one. defies belief. fraid 9/11 would have to have been one of the saddest days of my life............. no where no way could that be justified its ok surely to have an opinion. think its the going one step further and attributing motives at well thats getting up peoples noses i suspect ie "so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than.... " is pretty uncalled for surely? bound to cause resentment, so dont plead suprised at the result

Really? How funny! yes it was a while back they discovered that, n that when a plant realises its being eaten some species start putting out stuff the make the rest of its leaves unpaletable so the muncher moves onto another plant... amazing eh? really makes u rethink your attitude to all around u but im afraid i too dont think id be friends with some one here for long. no better than the keep em barefoot n pregi brigade seems to me anyway. ive a neice who loves to go hunting, soo wants a trophy set of horns. n considering she was gone a week during school holidays and passed on every one she stalked because he wasnt big enough, i fail to see how the bloodthirsty tag could be applied. a whole week and never fired a shot because she considered none she stalked were up to what she was seeking. apparently even the tour guide was a bit astonished, everyone else setteled for a second best rather than go home with zilch. her attitude was the hunt itself was the main fun. n if she failed to find the ONE she was seeking. theres always next time, n yes shes still at school n yes she has uncles that taught her, n when they do bring home a trophy, they also bring home the meat,,,... smoked, baked u name it, fab fun.

I used to wash mine in eculypt wool wash ,, they would smell delightful for a week if i was lucky... if less... another scrub up if they were getting whiffy ... but u do tend to get used to em tooo. Piglets dont whiff too well either even though they are very clean.. actually ferrets are too.. found mine loved sleeping in shavings in their beds and they make them smell nice as well and clean up any oilyness they othewish get. would use those smaller pool chemical carriers. well washed and a hole in one side big enough to clean easy 2 inches of shavings inside and VERY CONTENTED ferrets. ditto in their litter tray.. tidy lot arent they nn dont they love hammocks. although if they just used the hammocks and not their shavings beds gee the hamocks would get dirty from the oil from their coats

umm u do know what "pronging" is dont u all? it is the art of leaping skywards, all four feet at the same time... aka the antelope pronging in the african bushland.....someone must have shown a ferret it once and its now in the genes i suspects pronging ferrets seem to have a very poor sense of direction or plan ahead for when there is nothing to land on nxt prong....... with a resulting horrible SPLAT sound arising occasionaly...n no they dont seem to remember what happend bad.. last time have others had that problems with theirs too ?

Oh comeon....so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than.... Some pretty broad assumptions there considering you claim you would not associate with " people like us" how would you know? So it's ok to put an animal out of it's misery but another to provide for your family? Not everyone has a male to do these things for them, some through loss,some by choice, some not. Actually don't worry about answering I have no wish to encourage your input in this thread. I think I'll put you on ignore, you are not the type of person I choose to associate with. I have always loved ferrets and am finding this thread very informative and really very interesting. I would really love to see them work. n PLAY, ferrets sure know how to play. always remembered that guy who said otters believe in making every drop of water work. ferrets came from the same school, u aint seen nuffin till you turn a couple of ferrets loose in your home.... YAY :laugh: OR IF your into damage minimisation..... well we would put em into a huge feed bin with lengths of pipe, bags, boxes, HA a vacum cleaner hose is sooooo popular or the air conditoning ducting from a car or truck... n let em rip. loose in sheds can be a problem. pronging across cage tops can be deletrious to a ferrets health if they come to the end n theres a significant drop to the floor n it happens to be concrete? trust me, most of em have NO sense of danger, n it aint worth finding out the hard way. setting a broken ferret leg is no laughing matter.

Lucky! None of my intact lads have ever tolerated one another but none have them have been related, either. I imagine that raising them together would help considerably. dont know about that. i had one of the gentlest affectionate ferrets and her babies??? remember that game you try to pick up the monkeys so u end with a sting of em? she had 7 babies. by the time they were a month old. pick up one n london to a brick a littermate would latch onto it , another onto it and so on as u lifted so could end up with all 7 dangling. mad as hatters all 7 of em, bite like they intended eating u. yet mum n dad wouldnt bite anyone..l weird to say the lest. thought they would tone down as they grew.. no such luck. faught like the kats n jammer kids, so sold all but one to a rabbiter n he said he said they were wonderful. the one i kept she would eat my fingers for breakfast if she was in the mood. often wondered if they were a throw back to their dads mum, she was so savage his breeder had to throw a bag over her before he could touch anything in her cage. as for her hed throw the bag over her, wrap her quick n into the carry cage bag n all.. lol watching him get her son out without getting bitten was fun... n left wondering gee will he be as savage as his mum , but nope he was more like a kitten than a ferret maybe? loved watching him sprong all over the place when he was full of himself. nothing madder than a ferret playing is there.. umm n never let em get under the fridge.... sounded like they were dismantling it. n nothing more fascinating than a trouser leg is there.....

n met an awful lot of others over the years,, fantastic dogs greyhounds

Actually I know many greyhound trainers. None of whom blood their dogs, even my crazy old uncle. I work with greyhound people. I teach greyhound people's children. I'm related to greyhound people. The exception in my experience would be those doing the wrong thing and I have never met one. Don't know about blowing things out of proportion, but you seem to be doing a good job of blowing a lot of stuff out an orifice. who gets the idea mozelle hasnt met too many good ones? i havent met any bad ones. daugher in law's brother had greyhounds n his stay with the family even the winners arnt automatically bred from either, which i thought he would. amazing family dogs greyhounds... honey has converted so many people to wanting the ultimate lounge lizard. lol she was one weird dog on the track, she won races even when the hare stopped. because unlike most greyhounds she knew it was a race, n would go hammer n tongs to be in front, n yep even finished ahead of the hare once when it slowed down, think that race was cancelled because theother dogs stopped running? she didnt, not sure, everyone telling me about it were laughing so much, trouble was she pushed herself too hard, even if it meant she collapsed with exhaustion at the end of the race. had to be retired because she raced so hard to win,

Me too. Good for those moments when you're just bored. I'd still like to see an abbatoir first hand. I've done the grow and kill your own. Cept I'm a wuss and got someone who knows what they are doing to do it quick. Took me awhile to overcome the fact that I was eating an animal I had cared for...and named. I'm fascinated with the whole ferreting thing. And not unaware that when someone posted about letting their dog kill a rat, that I recomended not to. But that was less about that actual killing bit, and more to do with my worry about whether or not the dog was gonna be quick enough and not end up injured itself. know what u mean. my yeti (rag doll cat) faced up to a mouse.. got bitten on the nose. was she ticked off...sulked for weeks as for the grow n kill... anyone destined for the freezer was named......... ? freezer. far better even kid could cope with that although we didnt do the deed, took em to wilbeforce. chicken.. yep

hope your right on that one. come to think of it. no headlines last month. "MANIAC MOTORIST BLOCKS TRAFFIC ON VICTORIA PASS to allow echidna safe passage across 4 lanes of highway." was there. n it did happen.... ummmm do u really need to know who decided they would rather risk have their car mashed than let little spiney one get hit? ho well theres one new zealander who is till getting over seeing a real LIVE echidna jog across all that asphalt n make it in one piece still cant believe anyone could find it in them to hurt these amazing little critters

I was lucky enough to see the present research up to now, and the results for brain tumurs is simply amazing

im a bit stumped the paper is unaware EnGenic have been MRI scanning brain cancers in dogs for the last two years? ok they are in sydney though.

this company has discovered nano cell delivery of chemotherapy and has dogs still alive two years after being diagnosed beyond saving with brain tumors. last MRI scans have shown the tumors have completly dissapperred non surgicly. the vets who are caring for these dogs are not far away so if you have a dog with cancer id be looking them up it is now being trialed on human patients.. this is ground breaking cancer research , it available to people who have been diagnosed beyond help. pity its so late before they can apply at this stage http://www.engeneic.com/

Im guessing because they are present You make some very broad assumptions about people. Honestly if you were that against animal cruelty you would not buy supermarket meat, eggs from a supermarket or indeed eat meat or animal produce of any kind nor wear or own anything made of leather or animals by products. My freezer is full of home killed meat, i find it incredibly sad when i take the animal to be humanely killed and butchered however i know its had a great life living in its natural environment and the end is swift and humane. Compare that to the ongoing and extended torture of commercially farmed animals and i know which life id choose if i were an animal destined for the kill. By your logic its fine so long as you dont have to witness it and can pick it up in a nicely wrapped package innocent of the suffering it has incurred .... oh and as long as a woman was not involved? Does your logic then extend to women who work in abattoirs? In this town, i know of several single mums who work in the abattoir, living in a rural area yourself you would know how limited employment opportunities can be, should they quit their jobs and loose their only form of income because its not womens work? So in your rural area what happens if one day you hit some form of wildlife? Will you leave it to die in agony or would you put it out of its misery? yes all good points. i know, there is an amazing difference in the meat of an animal that never saw a saleyard n then onto the slaugher house. there has to be a reason for that. from paddock to kill is the best way i think, fraction of the stress. in the paddock n never knew what hit it , even better.

I do have a large network of friends, lanabanana.....they don't all share my opinion on all things and I wouldn't expect that to be the case. I have two "pet" hates and one is animal cruelty.....I know we could discuss this till the "cows" come home but the fact remains that I cannot get my head around women who hunt, it simply does not agree with me. Yes, I did end a friendship based on the fact that she ended up chopping her pet duck's necks.....there was no indication that she was that way inclined and made out like she wouldn't hurt a fly, little did I know. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back, there were other issues pertaining to the way she kept her animals and lack of responsibility towards them, not desexing them.....allowing them to breed indiscriminately, not able to contain them, etc etc etc. I had a chuckle at your last comment, . I am certainly not advocating that a woman be seen and not heard, far from it as I can be very opinionated (as you may have already gathered, lol).....oh, and women have just as much right to swear as any man, lol.....when necessary, lol. My issue is.....how can one be certain that animals killed in their backyard are killed humanely? surely there are individuals out there that have no idea on how to conduct such an act as painlessly as is possible???? a memory that forever sticks in my mind was uncle brought home some chooks for christmas dinner. n had the hide to expect my mum to do the deed? she flatly refused. his brothers flatly refused.. so he either had too or they stayed, n being all roosters. that wasnt a potentially great idea. so he bit the bullet. tied up ones legs. laid him on the chopping block they used for splitting the firewood and went wham. lopped the head off completly in on stroke. only problem was hadnt tied the legs too well. chookie gave kick. string fell off and up jumped chooki,,, ran madly (remember he was headless) straight at, and after (yep uncle was running for his life by now) down the drive and out of sight before it finally dropped ... donk dead... gather uncle had nightmares for weeks. the rest dissappeared, i suspect back to the seller

was the words u needed "politicaly correct" yes i had the same thought, poor moselle's ex friend couldnt have an opinion of her own. wonder what moselle would think if her friend had decided to drop her like a hot potato because she didnt have "pet" lunch ingredients? thats what worries me about the peta brigade, not content to have their own opinon and leave it at that. want to force their beliefs down others throats even to the extent of pushing it to become law? dont have to look far to the the rammifications of misplaced legislation, the greenies got it so that rural fire brigades couldnt do backburns for decades and hundreds of lives lost as a result. n thats without counting the tens of thousands of wildlife lives n homes gone to dust. cold burns dont do that. yes our animals and plants evolved to cope with fire, but cold fires not the holocausts they now face instead.

Want to come to WA??? We have plague proportion rabbits at our place atm :D Big fat ones too ;) Am about to move horses to a new paddock but will have to spend a couple of hours walking it find and fill in bunny holes first! Did someone say big fat rabbits? lol a totally adorable... see i saw those whiskers twitching.... i did

totally awesome :D

God forbid we should actually cause the deaths of the animals we eat. Perhaps if more folk killed their own, there'd by less abuse of animals in intensive farming situations. The more people connnect with the animals they farm, the less likely they are to abuse them IMO. Last century thousands of suburban Australian mums kept and killed chooks for the table. Frankly I fail to see the issue with it. LOL poor mozelle wouldnt cope with our back neighbour. every few weeks there would be a row of chooks feet slipped between the palings of our common fence. first time i spotted them was wondering? what the? that is till i looked over the fence. all hanging neatly. throats cut n waiting to be plucked n gutted... nice. never done one myself, i makes pets of em, n anyway hubby may love eggs, but chooks???? theys foul food u know...

yes is such a wonderful relief. dont even know em and worried sick about em hey im up to episode 13 ??? what does that say