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im a bit stumped the paper is unaware EnGenic have been MRI scanning brain cancers in dogs for the last two years? ok they are in sydney though.

this company has discovered nano cell delivery of chemotherapy and has dogs still alive two years after being diagnosed beyond saving with brain tumors. last MRI scans have shown the tumors have completly dissapperred non surgicly. the vets who are caring for these dogs are not far away so if you have a dog with cancer id be looking them up it is now being trialed on human patients.. this is ground breaking cancer research , it available to people who have been diagnosed beyond help. pity its so late before they can apply at this stage http://www.engeneic.com/

Im guessing because they are present You make some very broad assumptions about people. Honestly if you were that against animal cruelty you would not buy supermarket meat, eggs from a supermarket or indeed eat meat or animal produce of any kind nor wear or own anything made of leather or animals by products. My freezer is full of home killed meat, i find it incredibly sad when i take the animal to be humanely killed and butchered however i know its had a great life living in its natural environment and the end is swift and humane. Compare that to the ongoing and extended torture of commercially farmed animals and i know which life id choose if i were an animal destined for the kill. By your logic its fine so long as you dont have to witness it and can pick it up in a nicely wrapped package innocent of the suffering it has incurred .... oh and as long as a woman was not involved? Does your logic then extend to women who work in abattoirs? In this town, i know of several single mums who work in the abattoir, living in a rural area yourself you would know how limited employment opportunities can be, should they quit their jobs and loose their only form of income because its not womens work? So in your rural area what happens if one day you hit some form of wildlife? Will you leave it to die in agony or would you put it out of its misery? yes all good points. i know, there is an amazing difference in the meat of an animal that never saw a saleyard n then onto the slaugher house. there has to be a reason for that. from paddock to kill is the best way i think, fraction of the stress. in the paddock n never knew what hit it , even better.

I do have a large network of friends, lanabanana.....they don't all share my opinion on all things and I wouldn't expect that to be the case. I have two "pet" hates and one is animal cruelty.....I know we could discuss this till the "cows" come home but the fact remains that I cannot get my head around women who hunt, it simply does not agree with me. Yes, I did end a friendship based on the fact that she ended up chopping her pet duck's necks.....there was no indication that she was that way inclined and made out like she wouldn't hurt a fly, little did I know. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back, there were other issues pertaining to the way she kept her animals and lack of responsibility towards them, not desexing them.....allowing them to breed indiscriminately, not able to contain them, etc etc etc. I had a chuckle at your last comment, . I am certainly not advocating that a woman be seen and not heard, far from it as I can be very opinionated (as you may have already gathered, lol).....oh, and women have just as much right to swear as any man, lol.....when necessary, lol. My issue is.....how can one be certain that animals killed in their backyard are killed humanely? surely there are individuals out there that have no idea on how to conduct such an act as painlessly as is possible???? a memory that forever sticks in my mind was uncle brought home some chooks for christmas dinner. n had the hide to expect my mum to do the deed? she flatly refused. his brothers flatly refused.. so he either had too or they stayed, n being all roosters. that wasnt a potentially great idea. so he bit the bullet. tied up ones legs. laid him on the chopping block they used for splitting the firewood and went wham. lopped the head off completly in on stroke. only problem was hadnt tied the legs too well. chookie gave kick. string fell off and up jumped chooki,,, ran madly (remember he was headless) straight at, and after (yep uncle was running for his life by now) down the drive and out of sight before it finally dropped ... donk dead... gather uncle had nightmares for weeks. the rest dissappeared, i suspect back to the seller

was the words u needed "politicaly correct" yes i had the same thought, poor moselle's ex friend couldnt have an opinion of her own. wonder what moselle would think if her friend had decided to drop her like a hot potato because she didnt have "pet" lunch ingredients? thats what worries me about the peta brigade, not content to have their own opinon and leave it at that. want to force their beliefs down others throats even to the extent of pushing it to become law? dont have to look far to the the rammifications of misplaced legislation, the greenies got it so that rural fire brigades couldnt do backburns for decades and hundreds of lives lost as a result. n thats without counting the tens of thousands of wildlife lives n homes gone to dust. cold burns dont do that. yes our animals and plants evolved to cope with fire, but cold fires not the holocausts they now face instead.

Want to come to WA??? We have plague proportion rabbits at our place atm :D Big fat ones too ;) Am about to move horses to a new paddock but will have to spend a couple of hours walking it find and fill in bunny holes first! Did someone say big fat rabbits? lol a totally adorable... see i saw those whiskers twitching.... i did

totally awesome :D

God forbid we should actually cause the deaths of the animals we eat. Perhaps if more folk killed their own, there'd by less abuse of animals in intensive farming situations. The more people connnect with the animals they farm, the less likely they are to abuse them IMO. Last century thousands of suburban Australian mums kept and killed chooks for the table. Frankly I fail to see the issue with it. LOL poor mozelle wouldnt cope with our back neighbour. every few weeks there would be a row of chooks feet slipped between the palings of our common fence. first time i spotted them was wondering? what the? that is till i looked over the fence. all hanging neatly. throats cut n waiting to be plucked n gutted... nice. never done one myself, i makes pets of em, n anyway hubby may love eggs, but chooks???? theys foul food u know...

yes is such a wonderful relief. dont even know em and worried sick about em hey im up to episode 13 ??? what does that say

well ive been trying to stop worrying by watching all creatures great n small on utube. heres the link if anyones interested. found it on another forum but yay its a hoot of a series isnt it. apparently this first episode was made in 1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIrGKbHw6Rc enjoy

exactly, one poor woman in lithgow's vet operated on her 10 months old cavi girl and told her to send me the bill. my vet hit the roof. but what can u do once they have carved up a perfectly healthy pup before even bothering to tell u his verdict is "any vet who prescribes such an op on such a young pup has payments due on their car" come to think of it when he worked out the date of the op and the birth date of the pup she was barely 9 months old other fortunatley rang me first, n after being examined again by my vet left a much relieved camper

Skruffy,what is this you are talking about......mouse rat catches?? Is so we want to know It is D day today,so thinking the worse ...hoping for the best hey these bizzos --- i hope that link works! pretty cheap [if it really does work] but i can't find a manufacturer's website so i can do some deep research --- if you locate the one depicted centrally in your home, it apparently vibrates the buggars out and away from your home i am sooooo hoping that julz is enjoying some happy news... isnt that how the so called snake repellers work?? i remember when these first came out n asking, what about our pet rats to be told. dont worry it wont affect pets.. like what the hows a pet rat supposed to know the difference?

Imagine how the poor owner is feeling, feeling like she has made poor decisions etc. Poor woman, I bet she is beside herself. exactly and this vet is doing her no favors.... so worry for her and them

Nope, I'd say the best protection you've got is a very clear understanding with the buyer that a "show quality pup" is a prospect, not a certainty. That and making no assumptions that previous experience in the show ring guarantees a decent buyer. well it was exactly a supposedly "clear" understanding. that is until the "gallery " at the shows told her, main register is a guarantee of being good enough to make Champion. even those who had examined the puppys at the time of selection and were witness to her being told not only by me but the ones who examined the puppies that no guarantees could be made as to how an 8 week puppy would mature, she also said in front of witnesses, she "had shown for years and knew how much a puppy can change," that she "wanted it as a pet first, and also just wanted the fun of showing again" yet these same people told me for my own reputation to take the dog back. if that isnt backing up the "gallery" opinion that MR now means money back guarantee an 8 week can mature to make 100 challenge points, then what is? seems like just another minefield gathering to me anyway. considering i now supplied a dog so crap i had to take it back, dont see how it saved any so called "reputation" ummm well except now have a reputation for selling a crap dog on MR? at least the great news is, now much loved n adored in its new home.

ummm another question? do you mean what i said. or the other poster who said that one hundred people had signed a petition? I know when i read that weird letter i received from dogs nsw and began phoning around to ask what on earth is this about and from the replies i had already been told, before i spotted this thread on dogzonline, that the whole thing had been started by just one person, and thats all it takes to have started this in motion, how weird? then read that??? like what the? not what ive been told and not just from one source either.

your problem being, if you do not vote then by obstaining you are by default letting the one who started this one less to prevent them gaining their aim soooo difficult decision is it not

ummmm poor chap me turning up and saying anything is probably the kiss of death for him. apologies if ive done him a major disservice feel a bit like a pirah (yep no idea how to spell it)

ummmmm n do i suspect now the rsca have been called , the "where there's smoke there's fire" is now being spread????????????????????????? n why should that be? well make anyone thinking of standing up for him to have second thoughts. fraid to be seen to have anything to do with anyone with smoke near em in case it sticks to them? sort of shave the hunted off from the herd so its isolated n easier to attack? or am i just of the suspicious kind? surely not ;) come to think of it wasnt i not that long ago described as "raving" when trying to warn about the rspca, n yes suspect being branded as raving was calculated to influence anyone into ignoring what i said. once burnt your a "raving luni" if you try to warn the other chickens n it is interesting to note now many once "friends" cant see u anymore....now your scent has been changed by exposure to "smoke" ;)

why do i keep getting the BAD feeling this vet is not giving enough vit K????? and fluids only when she is so dyhydrated? surely they arent the only vet in your area????? change vets is the feeling im getting LOUD AND CLEAR if they are not doing a PCV then they are NOT DOING THEIR JOB just because they have BvSc after their name doesnt mean they automatically know what theya are doing. remember i had one kill every pup in the litter let alone the bitch,, n all u get is... ho sorry about that. another every kitten in a litter of 8 were either dead or unconsious the next day after vaccination. what did i get from the vet.... ho they must have had something wrong before they were vaccinated. not in 12 months did he call me and tell me he had been notified the vaccine was contaminated and 600 died before that batch was recalled? only found that out when a friend got a job at the lab concerned. dont trust blindly u still get the bill though some of em are hopeless

our first never bothered, our second, would try to herd the sparrows, the starlings, the doves, n WHEN WE LET THE CHOOKS OUT! he was in heaven. herded em from one end of the place to the other. the chooks had to go where he decided not them. occasionaly led to arguments n the hens would squark in protest. well until the rooster decided it wasnt on and took to him. soo if he made one of the hens protest, into the dog would fly the rooster to "drive" him off. the game would last for hours. he was bred by Ninda Kennels... such a long time ago now. sigh stunning dog

for decades i thought as a breeder and member of the cc your brief was not only to work to maintain the standard but welcome newbies to also maintain the breed? all LR puppies mean the breed stops with the breeder. and just read the lists of for sale puppies. the majority do not sell MR puppies. after my last fiasco with what was supposed to be a long time showie who wanted a show quality PET, but wanted to get back into the ring for fun, said to me anyway they knew even if it had seemingly perfect as a pup no breeder i know can guarantee the teeth will come in perfect and said so at the time of purchase. the pup they purchased ended up ill and the vet had them sign it over , so since it had a full brother that at the time of purchase neither the buyer or her judge friends were sure which was the better, i gave her the brother. interestingly a week later received a phone call asking if it would be safe to use the flea stuff the vet had put on his brother, as had just noticed the packet said the dose was for a 10 kg dog. the suddenly ill pup had weighed 1 kg at the time of the dosage and immume system began crashing 3 days later and took nearly 3 months to recover after many blood transfusion to save him. anyway so no his brother didnt get the dose and thrived. except his teeth unlike is brother didnt come in correctly. so i was contacted and asked for a refund and return as the gallery at the shows had assured her, that main register is a guarantee of show quality. as well she now wanted a pup that could make CH and the gallery had assured her MR means its good enough to make CH. so, considering how many of us run on what seemed perfect dentition pups to find roughly 50 percent of pups dont mature the same dentition as adults they had as pups, n as for conformation, so much can change from the darling baby to the adult. in this new age i see no reason to risk main registering a pup again. because according the this new rule as advised by her fellow show companions MR is a guarantee of the dog making CH. as i said in an earlier post, one lady advised me, that she never sells on MR and will not cease telling anyone foolish enough to get a puppy from me that i am a puppy farmer and my dogs are papered crossbreds unless i promise to never in future sell any on MR. apparently she protectes herself by running on all pups until adult teeth are in and deciding which to keep, n sell. those that are sold on MR already have their adult teeth before evaluation. since most people want a puppy not an adolescent? the only way to protect yourself though it seems. suppose at least in that case some are permitted to contribute to the future of the breed so not a total loss to the gene pool. is this the only safe way to go now?

If that were the case there's no way that you should or be expected to take her out of the ring.......congratulations on the achievements - I'm still gunning for my first BIG I'm a total newbie - I think most people are happy when I turn up with mine because they usually know they're going to win - LOL. I have a lovely, lovely girl who unfortunately has an incorrect bite - it's a real shame because she loves the ring, thinks she's all that, free-stacks for me and moves like a little champ. It doesn't matter to her or me that we don't win because she has a ball so I keep entering her. A comment from a friend when we went to a show up north last weekend "I think that judge really liked her until she opened the mouth......." LOL. I guess this comes back to what I was saying about getting enough points to gain a CH title and the standard of the exhibits aren't very closely related. Sure if I pick and choose the right shows, I'll probably eventually get enough challenge points for a title but I don't pick and choose shows or shy away from them because there may or may not be other dogs entered there and I don't really enter for the points but I'm going to bl00dy celebrate long and hard if we get them - hahaha. Edit to add - I totally agree with the more stringent requirements on the GR CH but let us rank amateuers have our small wins with our 100 point CH. It's not my fault for entering enough shows to get them - if the judges think my dog is cr@p, they don't have to award them. interesting, i had to take back and refund a buyer who said they knew teeth could go out as the adult teeth came in, had perfect puppy teeth but the adult teeth came in wrong, and on the advice of the ringside gallery was told take it back youve been robbed, if it cant make champion then your entitled to your money back. i gather now if you main register a pup according to the gallery thats a guarantee it can make CH? anyway, hes rehomed now and his delighted owner rang me to say thanks to him he was alerted a burgler was trying to break into his home. soo demoted from show dog to pet, n hes saved his owner from being burgled. luckyhe didnt know he shouldnt bark if he dont have perfect teeth eh?

n no ive never met the man under attack although until now, had never heard anything but how dedicated n ethical he is to the dog world, so a guess the shock of whats happening now will be a suprise to him

from what i can find out, its ONE PETITIONER n thats legal. seems hes pissed someone off or they think he has. dangerous thing to do in the dog fraternity as i can vouch for., as i and my dog learned to our cost $1,100 all up to retstor string back to health from seizure by the rspca, bill for their testing then to my vet to save from the pnemonia acquired at rspca n torn trachea before finally comming home from his vets care. wouldnt wish that on anyone. ummm save maybe a few "ethical's" that think sending the dogs of war is acceptable against anyone u dont like

Ta, I better start reading all those backed up digests. i too was pretty confused by the letter. i discovered today that if anyone is sending them in, they are NOT TO FILL OUT the bit at the top, ie. Part (A) if you intend it as your vote you fill out the part under the word "OR" then fill in part (B) with how you wish to vote. if youve filled in part (A) and then part (B) its invalid. (soo if you actually want your vote to count then you have to get another copy and do it right.. have fun folks) and will not be counted. from my enquiries it was 1 person who made the complaint not one hundred. interesting eh? even more interesting, the dogs of war have been unleashed. ie the rspca sent by the usual "annonamous" party.... sweet eh, to see that the practice among elements of the membership is still using the rspca to "get" anyone they decide they dont like... such a lovely bunch of backbiters there are among our ho so sweet bunch of self proclaimed "ethicals" so busily self preening pity they are too stupid to realise the fox doesnt care which or how many it kills, all of em will be the end result of sucking up to the govt and giving more and more power to abuse, isnt it weird how so few think they are under threat? judy guard has found out the hard way, n despite all the pleadings for needing more power, as its been stated before, the power to seize and destroy by any inpsector who "forms the opinion" this needs to be done has been in force for over 20 years. they just dont use it very often because they dont want the chickens to twig how much 'power' they already have while begging for more, adding 'exhibiting' as a crime they must have been rubbing their hands together on that one. ha the dog world, sometimes i wonder whos the more savage, the canine variety or the sapien, at least the canine does its own biting, the sapiens seem to prefer to send others to do the attack work