GSDhandler Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 this one has probably been done a lot but was unable to find with a (typically me) look. koda is coming along with her obedience quite well, and when i want her to do something most of the time now she does it. however she is terrible on her leash. she managed to snap the D loop of her collar the other day and i noticed just in time to grab her before she scampered off into the unknown, though she has come along with recall as well. the prob is that when she sees other people she near enough chokes herself out to get to them. other dogs not so much, but its people...... she goes nuts for them. always friendly of course and the insane ones patting her without asking..... if she bit them they would be mad ;) but is ther a way to settle her down and stop her ripping my arm off when she sees other people. have been trying to expose her as much as i can, but it seems to be getting worse. should i be using a checkchain instead? because most people i know hate them, and would try and hate me for using one... though i keep explaining when used correctly they arent a problem. am in SA so it is illegal to import a prong collar, though i heard they are effective. when she is pulling her obedience goes out the window (though it wont in puppy class ) and she wont respond to food reward. any advice is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Paws Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I use one of these on my gsd's.Nice and strong with the leather but get the use of a check chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 How is she with her focus work at home? Can you get her to look at you on command? Have you tried walking/running the other way to distract her? Will she sit for others to pat her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 My advice? Get thee to a decent professional dog trainer and get some one on one instruction on how to deal with this. You shouldn't need to rely on the strength of your dog's collar to keep her under control. When she's full grown she'll pull you off your feet if she wants to. This is a focus and self control issue.. get those sorted and the rest will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 My advice?Get thee to a decent professional dog trainer and get some one on one instruction on how to deal with this. Sound advice- they can help with other stuff too. A puppy should not need a correction collar/martingale to forcibly hold her back.... it may encourage further pulling and excitement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) ... am in SA so it is illegal to import a prong collar ... Ummmm .... not against regulations to use one in SA to my knowledge??? However, it is wise to get some professional advice/help regardless of what you do - so that you can be sure what collar IS the most suitable (along with checking/coaching your lead handling skills as mentioned below). ... though i heard they are effective. They are effective, GSDh .... but ANY tool needs proper handling for it to be so and therefore, like others have suggested, you'd do well to seek professional help. I've worked with people who initially were thinking they needed to change their training equipment, when all it was, was how they were working the lead (ie lead handling skills). ... when she is pulling her obedience goes out the window (though it wont in puppy class ) Highlights and italics are mine .... How old is your dog, GSDh ??? Edited August 8, 2008 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yes yes!! Get a trainer NOW!!! If you searched you probably would have come across my posts about my dog's pulling and over-excitement. She has been a real handful. She is now 18 months old and I have finally gotten a decent private trainer over and - OH My GOD- we had a very pleasant walk this morning! Not possible even less than a week ago! So what I am trying to say is that you should deal with it ASAP, get a trainer to teach you how to get her under control and it will be easier if you don't wait as long as I did. Also, I used a check chain at first which, whilst helpful (who cares what other people think), kept sliding down when she wasn't in check so... we moved onto a martingale which was next to useless... Now because her pulling is so ingrained (which is why you should do this NOW) we are working on heeling with her on a sporn harness which I hope to phase out once her heeling is better. In addition to all this my trainer has turned our house into doggy bootcamp to reinforce our leadership and we have strict measures in place to stop the jumping up on people. In 3 days she has already improved out of sight in this regard and I feel confident that things will only get better! So do it- get a trainer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 From memory GSDhandler's dog is only a pup - under 4 months. I would say a correction type collar isn't necessary on such a youngster. Is it possible to find some friends to help you with this? Who you know will be calm and take your directions? Then you could work on her manners around people without the unpredictability factor (people patting her while she pulls or jumps). You could work on walking her around them without pulling (make them boring, stand like statues and you have the fun stuff) and sit if she wants a pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) GSD .... didn't you obtain this pup to train up for security work??? Not only for that reason, but especially for that reason, I strongly urge you to get some "in person" professional help schooling your pup and building good handling skills. You'll need all of this well and truly before any security work, for the sake of a well balanced security dog .... which is an absolute essential IMO. ETA: If your dog has issues with people now, if I were you I'd be beginning to re-think his suitability for security work. Edited August 8, 2008 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDhandler Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 ... am in SA so it is illegal to import a prong collar ... Ummmm .... not against regulations to use one in SA to my knowledge??? However, it is wise to get some professional advice/help regardless of what you do - so that you can be sure what collar IS the most suitable (along with checking/coaching your lead handling skills as mentioned below). ... though i heard they are effective. They are effective, GSDh .... but ANY tool needs proper handling for it to be so and therefore, like others have suggested, you'd do well to seek professional help. I've worked with people who initially were thinking they needed to change their training equipment, when all it was, was how they were working the lead (ie lead handling skills). ... when she is pulling her obedience goes out the window (though it wont in puppy class ) Highlights and italics are mine .... How old is your dog, GSDh ??? the prong collar isnt illegal to use, but you cant get one. its like having your H6 and being allowed to carry and use a asp batton but not be allowed to own one. shes 13 wks old. will be seeking a trainer, as well as using Kaviks idea of "safe" desensitisation. and as for your comment Erny, thats why i am trying to get a handle on the behavour now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Choose your trainer carefully GSDH. Don't just go calling the local Bark Busters. In car terms, you've bought yourself a Ferrari.. this is a lot of dog and needs a trainer familiar with both your aims and her temperament. I'd be seeking references from within the security industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 ... am in SA so it is illegal to import a prong collar ... Ummmm .... not against regulations to use one in SA to my knowledge??? However, it is wise to get some professional advice/help regardless of what you do - so that you can be sure what collar IS the most suitable (along with checking/coaching your lead handling skills as mentioned below). ... though i heard they are effective. They are effective, GSDh .... but ANY tool needs proper handling for it to be so and therefore, like others have suggested, you'd do well to seek professional help. I've worked with people who initially were thinking they needed to change their training equipment, when all it was, was how they were working the lead (ie lead handling skills). ... when she is pulling her obedience goes out the window (though it wont in puppy class ) Highlights and italics are mine .... How old is your dog, GSDh ??? the prong collar isnt illegal to use, but you cant get one. its like having your H6 and being allowed to carry and use a asp batton but not be allowed to own one. shes 13 wks old. will be seeking a trainer, as well as using Kaviks idea of "safe" desensitisation. and as for your comment Erny, thats why i am trying to get a handle on the behavour now. If you are looking for professional trainers who support the proper use of a prong collar my breeder's parents are meant to be very good. They are the D.O.G.S school in northern adelaide suburbs. I have not been there myself but have heard good things about them (not just from my breeder either ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Choose your trainer carefully GSDH. Don't just go calling the local Bark Busters.In car terms, you've bought yourself a Ferrari.. this is a lot of dog and needs a trainer familiar with both your aims and her temperament. I'd be seeking references from within the security industry. The security industry has no standards when it comes to dogs which means a lot of people use trainers which aren't very good. I'd be careful with recommendations from within the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Choose your trainer carefully GSDH. Don't just go calling the local Bark Busters.In car terms, you've bought yourself a Ferrari.. this is a lot of dog and needs a trainer familiar with both your aims and her temperament. I'd be seeking references from within the security industry. The security industry has no standards when it comes to dogs which means a lot of people use trainers which aren't very good. I'd be careful with recommendations from within the industry. Yep, no doubt there are some seriously shit security dog trainers (and their methods are highly questionable too I hear) but I reckon GSDH will have more luck seeking recommendations within the industry than ringing the local Bark Busters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) The security industry has no standards when it comes to dogs Oh Edited August 8, 2008 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) the prong collar isnt illegal to use, but you cant get one. its like having your H6 and being allowed to carry and use a asp batton but not be allowed to own one. Oh................ Ok. will be seeking a trainer, as well as using Kaviks idea of "safe" desensitisation. Good for you, GSDh ...and as for your comment Erny, thats why i am trying to get a handle on the behavour now. Ok, that's good. Just, from your OP there was no mention of a "trainer" and I thought you were going to try to 'go it alone'. That's not the case, so I apologise for stating the obvious. Cheers! Erny Edited August 8, 2008 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 you need to work on her obedience my friend. No no no check chain/prong for this age she's way too young. work on loose lead walking first on the quiet streets, then move on. If she lunges ahead, give her a little sharp tug with the lead and flat collar and encourage her to follow you. If she lunges at other people then do a 180, again a little correction and high pitched voice loudly "COME ONE PUPPY HEEL HEEL HEEL" its the old security principle of flood the perp with noise and the brain follow. ETA hehehehe why the HECK would you want an asp? Go the Monadnock they're safer and more reliable then those friction lock batons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I recommend you contact Mark at http://www.caninetraining.com.au/ He would be the best person to talk to especially if you are going to commence protection training with your pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why obedience training alone will not improve your dogs relationship with you. halleluyah ... someone with a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDhandler Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Choose your trainer carefully GSDH. Don't just go calling the local Bark Busters.In car terms, you've bought yourself a Ferrari.. this is a lot of dog and needs a trainer familiar with both your aims and her temperament. I'd be seeking references from within the security industry. The security industry has no standards when it comes to dogs which means a lot of people use trainers which aren't very good. I'd be careful with recommendations from within the industry. Yep, no doubt there are some seriously shit security dog trainers (and their methods are highly questionable too I hear) but I reckon GSDH will have more luck seeking recommendations within the industry than ringing the local Bark Busters. ..... yeah, and ialmost ended up working for some :D till i saw their dogs, and asked some questions. im pretty new and clueless still but i didnt agree with a dog having 20 odd handlers before he dies. where is the relationship then? wont menton names of companies. they have eyes and ears everywhere. dont need defamation suits chasing me :p ETA hehehehe why the HECK would you want an asp? Go the Monadnock they're safer and more reliable then those friction lock batons. but the asp looks soooo coooooool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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