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I would ask them to do a neospora titer so you know for sure what you are dealing with.

Interesting that your vet has had 2 cases recently, I did not think it was that common. Do you know if the other cases survived?

Has your pup been fed raw beef?

Sending healing thoughts for your puppy!

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Sorry guys, should have made it clearer - he IS as stiff as a board, very rigid like a statue BUT he can still move - ie not completely paralysed, but when you pick him up it's like you're picking up a robot or a stuffed toy or something - his legs don't relax at all.

KJ they will be doing the neospora titer (I thought it was spelt titre ?? dunno) today, hopefully we will have some sort of answer. As far as I know the other cases were fine after the right a/bs (the one he's on now). He gets raw beef/roo mix every night - should that make a difference?

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Well, no news :rofl:

The path company didn't pick up the blood till late today and we haven't yet got the results :eek:

The vet has put him on yet another different type of a/b - Microgyl, which treats anaerobic infections, more specifically bowel infections and parasitic infections, also treats tetanus. She hasn't seen a case of tetanus before, the senior vet is on vacation, but she has asked around and read from textbooks, one being from the '60s which says that a mild case of tetanus is possible, presenting (logically) milder symptoms, which you could possibly say that Davey has.

Hopefully we're on teh right track now. HOpefully we'll have answers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm looking for another vet :)

Keep you posted.

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Tetanus is rare but not impossible. We have seen 2 cases in the last month, and I know of another 2 cases in the surrounding area (Western Sydney) just from talking to my colleagues generally. If the dog is very stiff, with a wrinkled face I'd definitely be considering it. If it is tetanus, then it can be progressive especially if generalised and not all cases end well. I'd be searching every inch of dog for a puncture wound.

Edit: I suspect that the antibiotic you're referring to is "Metrogyl" which is metronidazole.

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Well, no change in symptoms this morning - except that he can now blink his eyes properly instead of the third eyelid coming across, but he still has the wide open eyes. Hopefully that's a good sign! He isn't getting worse, so I'm also taking that as a good sign.

See, this is the puzzling thing: he still wolfs down his food, is drinking well and wants to try and play (so we have to let him out to keep his spirit up but it only lasts about 2 mins before the other pups rumble him) but his ears are still drawn up and his body is still stiff.

I have gone over and over him and there are no puncture wounds. There are quite a few scrapes on him whcih I would guess he earned through rumbling or going under the house (naughty boy) so it is entirely possible that the bacteria has gotten through there. Toxoplasmosis has already been considered at the same time as neosporosis.

Still waiting on path results. And yes, sorry, it was Metrogyl, not Microgyl!

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Well, results are back and ......... NOTHING!

All counts are good, no traces of neospora etc. Vet is more stumped and I am really worried. There is no real test for tetanus so we are throwing all a/bs into the poor kid. The vet has spoken to a NZ vet who deals with problem cases who has only thrown up one other suggestion: cryptococcus, which is a fungal infection and very rare. Apparently the only test for it is a spinal tap, the treatment is very aggressive and the survival rate is slim to say the least :mad

Personally, my unqualified gut feeling is that it isn't that - if it was some kind of infection his white blood cells would be through the roof and they presented as normal. Plus the fact that he hasn't gotten any worse, plus the fact that as it affects the dog neurologically, he would be having balance problems, which he is fine with.

I have now contacted another vet recommended to me. I am waiting for his call now.

Kinda feeling low now :cry:

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Well, results are back and ......... NOTHING!

All counts are good, no traces of neospora etc. Vet is more stumped and I am really worried. There is no real test for tetanus so we are throwing all a/bs into the poor kid. The vet has spoken to a NZ vet who deals with problem cases who has only thrown up one other suggestion: cryptococcus, which is a fungal infection and very rare. Apparently the only test for it is a spinal tap, the treatment is very aggressive and the survival rate is slim to say the least :mad

Personally, my unqualified gut feeling is that it isn't that - if it was some kind of infection his white blood cells would be through the roof and they presented as normal. Plus the fact that he hasn't gotten any worse, plus the fact that as it affects the dog neurologically, he would be having balance problems, which he is fine with.

I have now contacted another vet recommended to me. I am waiting for his call now.

Kinda feeling low now :cry:

Speak to *Bella* if you think it is that

Asher her gsd boy had cryptococcus last year

The vets had to grow the fungus in a petri dish which took a few weeks.

Some breeds are more susceptable to fungal infections, gsds are one of them.

I would suggest that if it was cryptococcus he would be a lot worse - Asher went down hill very quickly - within a few days he was deathly ill.

So my guess would be that it is something else.

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Well, after speaking to quite a few vets and specialists today, the consensus is tetanus, even though it's not full blown (yet). Apparently it can present within a few days to a few months of initial infection.

So it's off for anti-toxin jabs this afternoon and to change meds yet again.

Keep fingers crossed for the poor little fella.

Em

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Hi,

"Tetanus is very rare in Australia. Dogs and cats tend to have a natural resistance whereas horses and humans are the most susceptible to the illness. Tetanus is caused by an anaerobic (living in environments free of oxygen) bacteria, Clostridium tetani, that is spread by a penetrating wound or by contamination of an already existing wound or contracted by a dog that is teething finding an old bone in the yard and the germ entering via the open gums. It is killed by digestive enzymes, and therefore does not cause illness when ingested. Clostridium tetani produces two toxins, one of which, tetanospasmin, causes a blockage of neuromuscular transmission--that is, paralysis. The blockage is irreversible and recovery relies on the creation of new nerve cells."

Don't want to be an alarmist bt it could be possible.

Petra and Felix

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It is completely possible, probably not with an old bone though as we're pretty careful to take all bones off them when they come out of their run. More likely he's pushed through the dog wire to get underneath the house and has been scratched, the bacteria has gotten in there.

The anti-toxin won't reverse the damage done, but it will prevent further damage. The penicillin will kill the actual bacteria. Poor kid's going to be radioactive by the time this is finished, the amount of medicine he's had to ingest. Oh, recovery is about 3-4 weeks so naturally I'll keep things posted.

It's actually been quite a learning curve in quite a sad way. Neither I nor my vet have seen a case of tetanus before (one's enough thank you!).

And just so I know sods law is working perfectly, his bottom canines have decided that NOW is the perfect time to come out so I'm not able to get them surgically removed as was planned.

So fingers crossed that he can eventually open his mouth properly again and toes crossed that he has a good mouth when that happens!

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