Stolzseinrotts Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) As the topic says- Who would you use for a frozen AI and the reason why. I am looking for success and or miss stories. I have asked many but thought I would spread the net wider so to speak to see which clinics / Vets are recommended and why, hence the reason for posting. I am aware of the previous threads on this subject and was hoping that maybe there might be more information / responses out there. Thank you in advance. Edited February 12, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinaJ Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Hi Stolz, I have heard that Stuart Mason is very good at Monash. He is a specialist in canine theriogenology. I actually saw him today about Jett, he's lovely. Here is a link to their reproduction page : http://www.monashvet.com.au/reproduction.htm EFS :D Edited February 12, 2010 by TrinaJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 import or local semen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 import or local semen? Frozen or fresh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laneka Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Stolz, my last litter was from froz imported semen. Michael Bell, Craigieburn. Mikki had 6, 5 survived. Very happy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hi Guys, Thank you for the responses so far. Like the topic says - Frozen Semen, so a surgical AI is required. Who would you use and why?? What difference does it make if it is local or import? I always thought frozen semen is just that regardless of where it came from. :D I am am aware of the different methods used to collect / store. Lilli, I think it was you that had used a lot of Frozen Semen (from memory) and you had bad luck with it (missed breeding etc), I may have confused you with somebody else, but I am sure it was yourself as you have a rare breed / s ? Please correct me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) What difference does it make if it is local or import? I always thought frozen semen is just that regardless of where it came from. :D I am am aware of the different methods used to collect / store. Lilli, I think it was you that had used a lot of Frozen Semen (from memory) and you had bad luck with it (missed breeding etc), I may have confused you with somebody else, but I am sure it was yourself as you have a rare breed / s ? Please correct me if I am wrong. lol yes, going for the fifth time lucky, gosh who's deranged I guess why I think it matters if the semen is local or import is because the success rate for local frozen semen is around 85-90% for most vets who use frozen whereas the success rate for import semen is 40% - and that was before my spectacular misses came along to skew the odds. With import semen because you have so much more variables between collection and its ultimate use, even though frozen semen can live for a few hours its also probable that it could live for only a few minutes up to one hour - so exactly when to insert the semen / predicting when the eggs are mature becomes somewhat of an extrapolated guessing game. It helps if the bitch has had previous cycles/pregnancies already prog monitored, so if you've been using another vet who has done this, I would say stick with the vet who knows your bitch and her cycles because that is a really important factor. Some breeds freeze better than others and some countries (wrt semen country of origin) have better results than others. If its local frozen semen: Cragieburn, Monash, Sandown. Edited February 13, 2010 by lilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Thanks Lilli, I wish you all the very best of luck for the upcoming AI, you sure deserve it! I wasn't aware of the difference of stats between local and imported, you learn something new every day, thank you! I will then reword the question, Who would you use for Imported Frozen Semen Implantation and Why? Edited February 13, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laneka Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 As above, the reason is success rate. Ludendorf used Michael Bell for her Utz semen and had a good success rate. Apparently there is a woman in Bendigo who is very good too and has a good success rate with Greyhounds. I can find out her name if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Thanks Laneka, I think I know the Vet in Bendigo that you are refering to. Hmm a few things to think about, it is very good to hear from others who have done them recently and what they thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordz Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 We had a miss with Monash using good quality frozen on a young healthy bitch - moved it all up to Calga in NSW and a litter of 7 and a litter of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatolian Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 What difference does it make if it is local or import? I always thought frozen semen is just that regardless of where it came from. I am am aware of the different methods used to collect / store. Lilli, I think it was you that had used a lot of Frozen Semen (from memory) and you had bad luck with it (missed breeding etc), I may have confused you with somebody else, but I am sure it was yourself as you have a rare breed / s ? Please correct me if I am wrong. lol yes, going for the fifth time lucky, gosh who's deranged I guess why I think it matters if the semen is local or import is because the success rate for local frozen semen is around 85-90% for most vets who use frozen whereas the success rate for import semen is 40% - and that was before my spectacular misses came along to skew the odds. With import semen because you have so much more variables between collection and its ultimate use, even though frozen semen can live for a few hours its also probable that it could live for only a few minutes up to one hour - so exactly when to insert the semen / predicting when the eggs are mature becomes somewhat of an extrapolated guessing game. It helps if the bitch has had previous cycles/pregnancies already prog monitored, so if you've been using another vet who has done this, I would say stick with the vet who knows your bitch and her cycles because that is a really important factor. Some breeds freeze better than others and some countries (wrt semen country of origin) have better results than others. If its local frozen semen: Cragieburn, Monash, Sandown. I have used Frozen semen extensively in one of the same breeds that Lilli has (Anatolians of course) - I have missed only once using surgical Implanst. In hindsight this was my own fault as I should have used my gut instincts and not rely on the so called specialist vet... There are various methods used to freeze down semen with a lot of different ones being used abroad - this is one factor in deciding whether or not to import - I personally would prefer 'Camelot' semen as opposed to others as each breeding unit is counted after defrosting one pellet and ensures that there is enough viable mobile semen left once defrosted (properly and with the correct extender). The availability of the different extenders for the other systems must also be taken into account. Another thing to keep in mind is the progesterone machine itself. Each machine has its own calibration so switching from vet to vet at this important time could throw the results out significantly. My last experience with frozen semen is through Quakers Hill Vets (Blair and Matt) - very professional and know exactly what they are doing. Their machine reads 'higher' then normal - my last bitch was inseminated at 77 which is quite high (IMO) - result will be known on thursday (Due day) and according to the ultrasound has at least 6 pups onboard. Although each season can be totally different for the same bitch, having a 'ball park' season to compare with can help immensly - the Bitch that I missed had a very strange season hovering around 28 - 32 for around 6 days. She was implanted at 45 and did not take at all. Lilli is correct in saying that frozen semen can in fact live for only a few minutes - however it can also live for a number of days - not only hours. Storage is also important - I have my own storage container here together with my own shipper. This does not get opened anywhere near as much as one that is being used constantly so I hope I have a much more 'stable and consistant' environment for the little sperm... Ensuring the bitch is free from infection is also something that I look at. Any of my bitches go on a course of antibiotics BEFORE an implant is performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I had an interesting chat with Norm about freezing sperm and the testing there of, using pellets as compared with straws. Also they work out from the test pellet how many pellets you need to get the required number per mating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverHaze Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Would love suggestions also for vets in Melbourne for imported frozen semen. We have used Monash, and do not wish to go there again. Suggestions for other vets would be much appreciated (by PM is fine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) Silverhaze and Staffodz , I am hearing about a lot of misses / small litters at Monash, your stories have added to the growing list. Anatolian, thank you very much for your detailed response. I wish you the very best of luck with the pending whelping and litter. Puppy Photos are a must! BB the collection method / storage can make a huge difference in quality and quantity of viable breeding units. Edited February 14, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Would love suggestions also for vets in Melbourne for imported frozen semen. We have used Monash, and do not wish to go there again. Suggestions for other vets would be much appreciated (by PM is fine). I suggest Sandown and Craigieburn. Both surgeries do many implants with the racers. I'll be using Michael Bell when I eventually use some of my import semen. I have it stored at Monash but plan to move it soon. Monash don't do surgical implants btw, only endo. I know 100% that Michael does the surgical implants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 (edited) Lilli is correct in saying that frozen semen can in fact live for only a few minutes - however it can also live for a number of days - not only hours. Yes frozen semen can live for a few days but I would not attribute this to import semen, paricularly import semen from countries other than USA / NZD. Too many variables from point of collection. The significantly reduced success rate of import frozen semen compared to local frozen semen, indicates that the viable lifespan of import semen is not nearly as long as local frozen semen. Dont know why, probably to do with country of origin/techniques/customs etc. Edited February 15, 2010 by lilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Would love suggestions also for vets in Melbourne for imported frozen semen. We have used Monash, and do not wish to go there again. Suggestions for other vets would be much appreciated (by PM is fine). I suggest Sandown and Craigieburn. Both surgeries do many implants with the racers. I'll be using Michael Bell when I eventually use some of my import semen. I have it stored at Monash but plan to move it soon. Monash don't do surgical implants btw, only endo. I know 100% that Michael does the surgical implants. Whippets, do Sandown and Cragieburn both store semen? ta Cragieburn sounds good but too far for me unless I board the dog at the vets ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 yeah they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawyn Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I have my AI managed by Wyndham Vet, only see John Watts there. He is a repo specialist who worked around Europe in the field; the only Vet (which includes Mason at Monash) who I have been able to discuss alternative options with inducing low number litters to avoid a C-section. Monash was not even aware of the protocols I asked about, but Watts knew the journal instantly. Mason has actually done my last two litters with AI since there is where all my semen is, and it is $600 just to move it to Werribee. First litter was 6, next with a singleton. Monash screwed up my GTG forms and still yet to get the paperwork fixed up. The other vets there freaked out just having to collect a swab. Watts however managed everything else and was brilliant. He also has the most advanced Ultrasound I have seen in a Vet and will use it extensively to verify everything is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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