Pet Dogs To Be Put Down After Killing

[Abigail]

You have suggested breed specific legislation in this thread.

What are you trying to say, Lo Pan ??? I am only bringing up the subject due to Crisovar's comment. I just wanted to make it loud and clear that I personally do not agree with BSL under any circumstance.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Abigail

[sandii]

Did anyone actually notice the pictures shown of the dogs? One was an outline, obviously no picture available, the other was a picture of two indeterminent crossbred mutts. Staffy crosses, don't make me laugh - that would imply at least one parent was a purebred Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

Mutts, what the f*** is so bad about saying the dog is a crossbred dog of no particular breeds at all.

The one at the back of the picture looked more like a heavy-headed lippy Rhodesian Ridgeback than anything else.

GRRR at ACA.

Yes I did and this is sadly not the first time a dog involved in this type of behaviour has been incorrectly identified GRRRRRRRR.

Edited May 1, 2010 by sandii

[lovemesideways]

You have suggested breed specific legislation in this thread.

What are you trying to say, Lo Pan ??? I am only bringing up the subject due to Crisovar's comment. I just wanted to make it loud and clear that I personally do not agree with BSL under any circumstance.

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this; the only way to resolve this is for shires to implement strict regulations and not allow just any tom, dick or f&&&&ng harry to be able to get hold of such breeds. I love these dogs but this is one breed of dog that requires a fort knox situation to make sure that noone has to lose their beloved pets at the jaws of such dogs.

What do you think the BSL is Abigail?

Part of the BSL states "The dog must live a secure enclosure when at home, and the owner must post "Warning: Dangerous Dog" signs on their property." and thats is exactly what you're suggesting should happen.

(Personally I would suggest that you pull your head out from where ever you've stuck it and maybe take the time to actually read up on these breeds that you apparently "love" since you obviously know nothing about them.)

[Crisovar]

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this; the only way to resolve this is for shires to implement strict regulations and not allow just any tom, dick or f&&&&ng harry to be able to get hold of such breeds. I love these dogs but this is one breed of dog that requires a fort knox situation to make sure that noone has to lose their beloved pets at the jaws of such dogs.

What do you think this is Abigail???

If this is not BSL what on earth do you think it is???

[Darkrai]

I just wanted to make it loud and clear that I personally do not agree with BSL under any circumstance.

so what is your point??? You have advocated on many times against this breed or X's and fixed on the Staffy's... Sounds like you have a personal agenda on these breeds...

This is how BSL starts and finishes the breed.

But i agree, if a dog comes into anyones yard attacks anything in the yard, then yes it should be PTS....

[dezzyno.1]

i have read through this post....i have 2 ANKC registered Amstaffs and my fencing is not great but they are happy here and live inside and never get out unless i take them out with leads on....i do OB with them and they are totally socialised....if it was proven that it was my dogs they would be PTS straight away but if it was not proven i would fight tooth and nail to save my dogs (which are my babies)

little doggies......i feel so sorry for their owner who clearly loved them

[Darkrai]

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this; the only way to resolve this is for shires to implement strict regulations and not allow just any tom, dick or f&&&&ng harry to be able to get hold of such breeds. I love these dogs but this is one breed of dog that requires a fort knox situation to make sure that noone has to lose their beloved pets at the jaws of such dogs.

What do you think this is Abigail???

If this is not BSL what on earth do you think it is???

Thats enforcing BSL!!!

[sandii]

Yes, I found this interview very disturbing and distressing. The interviewer didn't pose any tricky questions to the moronic owner of the killer dogs. He just sat there saying the dogs were wonderful with his kids and they were very important to him blah blah.

Yes it was disturbing, however how can you possibly call these dogs KILLERS???? Were you there, did you see them run out of the yard after committing this terrible offence? Far too many on this forum are quick to judge

[sandii]

Just heard on Channel 7 news that A magistrate ordered Hume City Council to return the dogs to the owner as it could not be proven which of the three dogs actually killed the chihuahuas.

Trying to find a link

BINGO and there you have it.......how on earth can anyone expect justice to be done here when there was no witness to positively ID the dogs incorrently labelled by dogmad as "killer dogs" What astounded me is how many members here were so quick to jump on the labelling bandwagon that was calling for the destruction of dogs that could very possibly be totally innocent

Edited May 1, 2010 by sandii

[Darkrai]

Far too many on this forum are quick to judge

welcome to the world of DOL sandii, may will throw in their 2 cents worth before finding the facts...

Just heard on Channel 7 news that A magistrate ordered Hume City Council to return the dogs to the owner as it could not be proven which of the three dogs actually killed the chihuahuas.

Trying to find a link

BINGO and there you have it.......how on earth can anyone expect justice to be done here when there was no witness to positively ID the dogs incorrently labelled by dogmad as "killer dogs" What astounded me is how many members here were so quick to jump on the labelling bandwagon that was calling for the destruction of dogs that could very possibly be totally innocent

Chances are it was one of them, now that owner lives with a killer, what going to be next... Hopefully this time the owner will take more care in keeping their dogs under control!!

[sandii]

Maybe one of them did do it but who are we to sit in judgement without the FACTS?? As I stated before there were no witnesses which is why the dogs have been handed back!

[Kirty]

Absolutely disgusting. So this moron now owns FIVE dogs and STILL has crappy fences? Far out, our legal system is a complete joke.

ETA: And sorry, I would rather humanely PTS a dog that was suspected of killing 5 other dogs, than to hand it back to a moron like that and risk them killing more innocent pets.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Kirty

[Zhou Xuanyao]

Its already been explained that he only gets the dogs back when the fences are in order.

[Erny]

Absolutely disgusting. So this moron now owns FIVE dogs and STILL has crappy fences? Far out, our legal system is a complete joke.

ETA: And sorry, I would rather humanely PTS a dog that was suspected of killing 5 other dogs, than to hand it back to a moron like that and risk them killing more innocent pets.

I didn't see the show, but I get it ......... the guy sounds a little on the perhaps (shall we say) 'uneducated' side. It's pretty clear he doesn't get his dogs back until he's complied with council requirements for secure fencing.

Did the dogs look uncared for? Malnourished? Suffering from ill health and unkempt?

But you'd rather see all three (?) dogs killed because you don't like the fact that the guy was irresponsible by having fences that didn't keep his dogs in? Poor dogs. Kill them because Kirty sees the owner as a moron.

I would also presume the guy is going to have to apply for a 5 dog permit - the Council would be aware that he has acquired two (?) others.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Erny

[poodlemum]

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this.

??? What stats and educated information is your obviously strong and undoubting opinion based on? I'd be interested to know.

Obviously I am unable to come up with a list of numbers but I have owned a staffy 10 yrs ago and have known a fair number of people who did and not all were tossers, I can assure you of that.

As I have said in the last post, is it not so that staffies were bred to fight dogs in the pit along with pitbulls?

I'll just add my 2 cents worth to this debate - in my time as a Dog Obedience Instructor I NEVER saw a Staffy/Staffy Cross which wasn't DA - it is something of which most Obedience people are aware and allow for in classes (ie not letting Staffies getting too close to other dogs in "socialisation" exercises etc)

ETA - almost all the Staffies I saw were great with people - just not with other dogs

Edited May 1, 2010 by poodlemum

[Earthdog]

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this.

??? What stats and educated information is your obviously strong and undoubting opinion based on? I'd be interested to know.

Obviously I am unable to come up with a list of numbers but I have owned a staffy 10 yrs ago and have known a fair number of people who did and not all were tossers, I can assure you of that.

As I have said in the last post, is it not so that staffies were bred to fight dogs in the pit along with pitbulls?

I'll just add my 2 cents worth to this debate - in my time as a Dog Obedience Instructor I NEVER saw a Staffy/Staffy Cross which wasn't DA - it is something of which most Obedience people are aware and allow for in classes (ie not letting Staffies getting too close to other dogs in "socialisation" exercises etc)

ETA - almost all the Staffies I saw were great with people - just not with other dogs

And once again, this is your experience. The obedience/all breed club I attend has several Staffords and sundry crosses. There has never been an issue with any of them. They compete in trials with no dramas.

[Jed]

Dog knowledge suggests all 3 were involved - but only one was witnessed killing.

So, it's fair to put down the dog which was attacking. The other 2 should be subject to dangerous dog restrictions

Abigial

I

am definitely not an advocate of BSL and abhor the idea of it. Broad statements? I say not. IT is indeed true that all breeds are capable of escaping and causing harm but is it a coincidence that, most of the time, whenever a tragedy occurs and the dogs responsible are shown they do tend to look very much staffy/pitty? I know that prying a staffy's mouth open when it is biting another animal is almost impossible, they latch on for dear life and with that, I am not saying that I believe in

the lock jaw theory, but I do believe in the tenacity of this breed.

You are absolutely and totally and completely an advocate of BLS, Indicted by your very own words.

Breed Specific Legislation is legislation which applies to a single breed, or some breeds, so that not all dogs are treated equally under the law. And the BSL we mention on the forum is generally that which applies to the American Pit Bull Terrier, and crosses thereof.

The reason it is wrong is because the deed is the problem, not the breed.

You cannot equitably blame an entire breed for misdeeds committed by some dog of that breed.

And, just for your information, I very much doubt that these dogs were "staffies" - they didn't look like "staffies" to me, nor to anyone else either, apparently. Whether the owner identified them as "staffies" because he didn't know any better, or whether the media labelled them "staffies" because it makes a better story, I don't know.

And that's not the point. The point is an irresponsible, uncaring owner, who didn't bother to contain his dogs, so they got out and caused a lot of damage.

[Erny]

... in my time as a Dog Obedience Instructor I NEVER saw a Staffy/Staffy Cross which wasn't DA - it is something of which most Obedience people are aware and allow for in classes (ie not letting Staffies getting too close to other dogs in "socialisation" exercises etc)

Genuine astonishment from here, Poodlemum. To have not had even one staffy that was not aggressive towards other dogs in a lifetime of being an instructor . I have been an instructor for at least a decade and I've seen plenty of staffies, and plenty of them have been ok around other dogs. A number have also been DA, but then so have numerous other breeds and in their respect, it was usually part of the reason they came to us at training, because they knew we'd work to help the owners with their problematic dogs.

How long have you been instructing in dog obedience and how many staffies would you have had in your Club/classes (roughly)? I'm really interested, because to have not had one of them that did not sport a DA problem would have to be really disproportional as an average to the staffy population.

In my experience, I do tend to find that if a Staffy is attacked/traumatised by another dog in its lifetime, they don't tend to recover well or fully as far as psych to other dogs is concerned. But that too is a generalisation and only based on those that I know this has occurred to.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Erny

[Abigail]

It is fact that these dogs escaped from their yard broke into another's and killed five tiny dogs. Whatever breed these killers were is of no consequence. The fact is they got out of an unsecured property and caused heartbreak to an elderly couple. From the footage shown on ACA, the owner of the escapees showed no remorse or compassion. If he had contained these dogs in a secure setting, then none of this would have happened. On the footage, it showed another dog he acquired and I hope to g-d something like this doesn't happen again. Again, it all boils down to the irresponsibility of owners.+

The breed of dogs that kill is of consequence and should not be discarded. Yes, these dogs did manage to get out due to an irresponsible owner and set out on a killing spree, it was the dogs' decision to kill! How they managed to get into the other property, I have no idea but they obviously heard the barking of those poor chihuahuas and thought all their birthdays had come at once. How many cavaliers or westies out there set out on a rampage and killed other people's pets????? This prick now owns 4 of those animals, pfft pathetic country we live in.

[Abigail]

At the end of the day, Erny, staffies and staffy crosses, pitbull and pibull x are dog aggressive. NO two ways about this; the only way to resolve this is for shires to implement strict regulations and not allow just any tom, dick or f&&&&ng harry to be able to get hold of such breeds. I love these dogs but this is one breed of dog that requires a fort knox situation to make sure that noone has to lose their beloved pets at the jaws of such dogs.

What do you think this is Abigail???

If this is not BSL what on earth do you think it is???

Thats enforcing BSL!!!

Take this, if I was a believer of BSL I would say so, in no uncertain term. If you want to play games with words, go right ahead. I am not going to apologise in saying what I have said. I still maintain that these dogs are not for everyone and not just anyone should be allowed to own them. A secure fence, an enclosure to ensure they cannot dig their way out or climb their way out and an owner that does not have a bleak past with these dogs! BSL means that these dogs should not be owned by just anyone and that is not what I am advocating here!