penhryn Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Hello everyone. Don't know whether I am in the right section but I am a border collie lover. I want to buy a tri colour for a family pet and also to keep my 11yr old blue border collie company as she lost her partner at the beginning of the month. Have rung a few breeders but very few have them. Anyone know of any breeders for the tri. Any help would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Have you contacted the Border Collie Club in your state or googled Tri Colour Border Collie Breeder in <your state> or Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 There are a few breeders that have tri colour turn up on a reasonably regular basis and a few others that get the odd one every now and then. Many lines though don't carry the tri gene at all so a lot of breeders will never have one. Do not ever go to any breeder that specialises in breeding a particular colour or colours. Colour should be the last consideration when breeding Border Collies so you need to put your name down with breeders known to have tri in their lines and wait for a puppy. You may find that one breeder will refer you on to another if they know someone else has a tri before they do. I will pm you some kennels to contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Hi, Border collies come in a large number of colours. In the world gene pool of border collies, without breeding for colours or breeding to eliminate colours, approximately 50% of border collies carry the tri coloured gene. The tan points can also be found on all of the base colours such as chocolate, merle, blue and do so, also at about 50% of those dogs in the normal world population. The depth of colour of tan points is also variable and control by a different gene, the markings can range from a very pale creamy tan all the way to the darkest of orange russet colour. Sable is also very common in the breed, they often look like tri colours and many dogs labeled as Tri colours are actually sables. Lifting the top coat of the base colour may reveal a cream undercoat or banded hairs on sables, along with the tan markings. Finding a tri colour in the ANKC registry population in Australian can be difficult. Colours other than black and white have been unpopular in the breed ring. With most breeders selecting for black and white, the other colours have become in effect 'rare' in the kennel club population. This has recently lead to what is called 'colour breeding' as some breeders try to breed and sell dogs based on their 'rare' coat colour. The working bred border collies in Australia, registered in the sheep dog registers or the Au working border collie register, for the most part have not been breed to have or not have certain colours. Therefore tri coloured and sables dogs are found in their normal frequency of about 50% of the population carrying the gene. Tris are found in most bloodlines and at most kennels/studs and are very common. Hope this helps and you find just he right dog for your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penhryn Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Thanks so much for all your replies. I have rung a few breeders about the tri. A lady in Queensland has 3 tri pups and also wants $1200. A guy in NSW has one and wants $1500. I rang Arajoel and she wants $1300. Is that a normal price these days or is that being a bit greedy. Prices have sure gone up since we got ours. They were $400 with papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I would want to know how much they sell a black and white pup for because IMO there should be no diffrerence in price regardless of colour. Other colours do not cost more to raise and I am always wary when I hear of people charging significant amounts more because a dog is a certain colour. I am not saying that those you contacted are definitely doing that but it would be interested to hear what price they would say if you rang asking about a black and white pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penhryn Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 I did ring the Border Collie Club and they put me onto the guy who is selling a tri for $1500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Not is the sheepdog world it isn't A started pup or dog will cost you more but of course you will not get ANKC papers with it. Thanks so much for all your replies. I have rung a few breeders about the tri. A lady in Queensland has 3 tri pups and also wants $1200. A guy in NSW has one and wants $1500. I rang Arajoel and she wants $1300. Is that a normal price these days or is that being a bit greedy. Prices have sure gone up since we got ours. They were $400 with papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penhryn Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Black and Whites are cheaper. My husband has his heart set on a tri as he had one many moons ago. Black and whites and tri were the go years ago and now there are so many different colours. I don't like the merles. They look scary. It takes away everything of what a border collie should look like. Sorry breeders who have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Not normal price. A friend just paid $800 for a black & white puppy from one of the best Victorian kennels. Have you considered buying a Australian Shepherd if you have your heart set on tri colour? Very easy to get a quality tri in that breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penhryn Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 We love our Border Collies and will continue with them. We had a b/w for 13yrs, a 6 month old Tri which we had to give away to a farm because he bit my son, a b/w male for 12yrs and he went to doggy heaven earlier this month and we have an 11yr old blue. She misses him so much and always ambushed him and rounded him up. We want a pup to keep her company. Our house is full of Border Collie ornaments. You name it, we've got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Well unless you are willing to wait for the right tri then I think you need to open up the colour choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I love tris but would never pay more for any colour BC than I would for a black and white pup from the same litter. I would consider $800-$1000 pretty normal for a well bred ANKC BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Thanks so much for all your replies. I have rung a few breeders about the tri. A lady in Queensland has 3 tri pups and also wants $1200. A guy in NSW has one and wants $1500. I rang Arajoel and she wants $1300. Is that a normal price these days or is that being a bit greedy. Prices have sure gone up since we got ours. They were $400 with papers. A top show prospect from any show kennel does not cost any more than about $1000 (with just a few chargign up to $1200), regardless of colour, so they are very inflated prices. In Qld the top show price is actually only about $800 for some reason. Do not buy from anyone that charges more for colour than black & white. It proves they are not ethical breeders. It is not all that long ago that we were flat out to sell tri puppies because no one wanted the colour. By inflating the prices they make people believe there is something more desirable about the colour and unfortunately people fall for it. Stick to the show breeders and wait for the right puppy. Tris are much more common now than 10-15 years ago so the wait shouldn't be too long. Wherever you get a puppy it must have parents DNA tested for CL, TNS and CEA, or they can be clear by parentage. The parents should also be hip and elbow scored and this is something many of the colour breeders just don't bother with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penhryn Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Thanks for all the information. I will try for a tri. If not, I might just go with the old favrourite black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwag Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I love tris but would never pay more for any colour BC than I would for a black and white pup from the same litter. I would consider $800-$1000 pretty normal for a well bred ANKC BC. I am the same, i would never pay more than a $1000 for a dog unless i was importing. I just bred a litter Mum Tri and Dad B&W. My litter consisted of 3 Tris and 1 B&W, all pups sold for the exact same price i dont believe in charging more for one colour or the other. I also didnt sell my pups for very much but their lines are some of the best working lines you will find in Australia , UK and Scotland . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Thanks for all the information. I will try for a tri. If not, I might just go with the old favrourite black and white. Better a good black & white than an inferior tri at inflated prices. I wonder why the only ones charging these prices are those that put no thought into their breeding, just using their own stud dogs all the time They also never show or achieve much in performance. Why do they also have to be people that have acquired my tri lines in order to rip people off ? Most reputable breeders breed mostly black & white, with colour just something that turns up. We breed for more important traits, like temperament, health, soundness and performance in whatever field we choose. Colour doesn't matter and the recessive colours will continue to pop up in our litters but should never be the main focus of the breeding. Edited March 5, 2011 by dancinbcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I know you said you love BCs but the Aussies are quite similar and such lovely dogs. And the black tri Aussies are just stunning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 dancinbcs +1 To the OP - from your previous experience with a tri that you had to rehome, I would emphasise that sound conformation (including health testing of parents) and temperament should really be your main considerations. Sex of the puppy is also a consideration. Since your girl had a male companion, and really enjoyed that interaction, she might very well prefer another male. (I know what you mean about her missing the interaction - my girl was the same. I needed to get another boy for me, and for her. They play almost every day still.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I know you said you love BCs but the Aussies are quite similar and such lovely dogs. And the black tri Aussies are just stunning... In looks maybe to a degree but they are different breeds and as such do have differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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