Large Number Of Savage Dog Attacks In Nsw

[aussielover]

GSD's are not all DA!

My dog plays with quite a few of them and they are happy, friendly dogs.

And DA dogs are dangerous if they are not managed correctly.

I think they are a danger to other dogs and also possibly people who try to break up a fault, should one start.

I don't think they should be put down, as long as the owner can manage them.

And yes, it is idiotic to let your dog approach another at the vet (yet i see people do it almost every day!).

[BJean]

There is no longer any tolerence for dogs and aggression any more.

In your reality, probably best for there to be no tolerance for any dog.

To imagine that aggression exists in a vacuum and hence can be cut out of what is dog, is ludicrous. Get a stuffed toy.

And until morons stop getting WHOLE DOGS and the breeders and the same morons who get them dont desex, it will continue to happen.

because that is where aggressive dogs come from...

Edited June 21, 2011 by lilli

[BJean]

There's something worse than an unstable dog . . .it's a breed that is stable and bred to be human-aggressive. There is at one banned breed out there whose breed standard calls for a stable and HA (toward strangers) temperament. In breed-specialty shows it is not considered a fault for dogs of this breed to bite the judge. Breed origins / work include capture of escaped slaves and protecting cattle from cattle rustlers and jaguars. You have to have a screw loose to want to import such a dog.

Sandgrubber, we have discussed this breed before and the traits of a guardian dog have been explained, yet it seems you still persist with the tabloid cut and pastes.

Since the last round, have you spent time with an individual or two from this breed?

Edited June 21, 2011 by lilli

[PetSitters]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

Poorly bred GSD's can be DA, but good GSD's aren't DA in the slightest. Who the morons are IMHO in regard to DA GSD's are the people who breed them, a testament that they shouldn't be breeding GSD until they know what they are doing?

[Greytmate]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

Poorly bred GSD's can be DA, but good GSD's aren't DA in the slightest. Who the morons are IMHO in regard to DA GSD's are the people who breed them, a testament that they shouldn't be breeding GSD until they know what they are doing?

I agree. GSDs with the correct temperament (and adequately socialised and trained) will not be dog aggressive and will not 'nearly eat' another dog that approaches it while it is on lead with its owner in a public place.

A dog like that should be kept away from places where other dogs are likely to approach them, unless they are muzzled or prevented from being able to bite.

No wonder we have breed prejudice against this breed when some owners are so accepting of their dog's OTT aggression and blame anybody but themselves when their dog is upset by a situation they have placed it in.

In any breed you can get DA examples, but the type and threshold of DA is determined largely by genetics, and some breeds contain many more examples of DA dogs than others.

Breeding DA dogs and selling them as pets is irresponsible. It is good to see owners like Teebs understand their dog and go to considerable personal effort to ensure it stays out of trouble.

[sandgrubber]

Sandgrubber, we have discussed this breed before and the traits of a guardian dog have been explained, yet it seems you still persist with the tabloid cut and pastes.

Since the last round, have you spent time with an individual or two from this breed?

Tabloid? My sources are the breed standard in the country of origin and websites of breed advocates. . . plus time spent in Brazil. The Fila is not an ordinary guardian breed.

[BJean]

Sandgrubber, we have discussed this breed before and the traits of a guardian dog have been explained, yet it seems you still persist with the tabloid cut and pastes.

Since the last round, have you spent time with an individual or two from this breed?

Tabloid? My sources are the breed standard in the country of origin and websites of breed advocates. . . plus time spent in Brazil. The Fila is not an ordinary guardian breed.

Tabloid - its always the same sensationalist selection.

What do you call an ordinary guard breed?

Goodie you have spent time in Brazil, it's a sexy place -

did you spend time interacting with any of the dogs?

[PetSitters]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

Poorly bred GSD's can be DA, but good GSD's aren't DA in the slightest. Who the morons are IMHO in regard to DA GSD's are the people who breed them, a testament that they shouldn't be breeding GSD until they know what they are doing?

I agree. GSDs with the correct temperament (and adequately socialised and trained) will not be dog aggressive and will not 'nearly eat' another dog that approaches it while it is on lead with its owner in a public place.

A dog like that should be kept away from places where other dogs are likely to approach them, unless they are muzzled or prevented from being able to bite.

No wonder we have breed prejudice against this breed when some owners are so accepting of their dog's OTT aggression and blame anybody but themselves when their dog is upset by a situation they have placed it in.

In any breed you can get DA examples, but the type and threshold of DA is determined largely by genetics, and some breeds contain many more examples of DA dogs than others.

Breeding DA dogs and selling them as pets is irresponsible. It is good to see owners like Teebs understand their dog and go to considerable personal effort to ensure it stays out of trouble.

One of my GSD's is both DA & HA and enquiring with the breeder why my dog is like this, the reason I was given for the aggressive behaviour was the belief that GSD's are a guardian breed, it's how a good GSD is supposed to be and his aggressive displays are caused by mismanagement on my part and incorrect raising, much the same reasoning Tarope has told us again from an experienced GSDL member and breeder?

These people are supposed to be the GSD experts with experience in the breed who accept DA & HA dogs as a well bred example with good traits that need to be managed with choker chains and compulsive training with open displays of aggression being the owners fault?. I had a highly experienced working dog trainer and breeder assess my dog's behaviour who told me that my dog was no good and had a major temperament fault and in his opinion caused by breeding dogs that should never had been bred and critiqued my dog as a very poor example of the breed to be desexed and "never" bred.

My second GSD is a working line Shepherd bred for temperament and performance in working roles from a line of extremely hard dogs and the dog is calm and confident, not the slightest bit DA or HA and on my part, there was no more management measures put into place raising this dog than raising a friendly Golden Retriever in terms of necessity to stem aggressive traits simply because a good GSD shouldn't have any active display of aggression unless threatened or provoked.

It's an absolute misconception that working breeds like the GSD that can be trained in protection roles should be actively aggressive or be accepted that aggression is part of the breed. Active aggression in the breed is a faulty temperament and weak nerve, regardless of what the GSDL excuses aggression as, it's up to the owners of GSD's like this to collar the breeders and ask them what the hell they are breeding? There are too many GSD's bred with poor temperaments and too many excuses and cover up's for aggressive behaviour passing the buck back onto the owners for mismanagement of dogs who are genetically flawed from birth.

Edited June 22, 2011 by PetSitters

[john.davey.1960]

HA or DA is about dogs not knowing where there place is in society. It may be genetic or a product of poor socialisation or more likely both. It is not in a dog's nature to be naturally aggressive. Even the Fila, despite much nonsense peddled about it exits as a show dog in thousands of homes with no problem. Likewise the APBT (or SBT or AmStaff). Grotesque media reports turn the animals into monsters yet Labs causing similar injury are ignored or mislabelled as APBTs.

[tarope]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

Poorly bred GSD's can be DA, but good GSD's aren't DA in the slightest. Who the morons are IMHO in regard to DA GSD's are the people who breed them, a testament that they shouldn't be breeding GSD until they know what they are doing?

I agree. GSDs with the correct temperament (and adequately socialised and trained) will not be dog aggressive and will not 'nearly eat' another dog that approaches it while it is on lead with its owner in a public place.

A dog like that should be kept away from places where other dogs are likely to approach them, unless they are muzzled or prevented from being able to bite.

No wonder we have breed prejudice against this breed when some owners are so accepting of their dog's OTT aggression and blame anybody but themselves when their dog is upset by a situation they have placed it in.

In any breed you can get DA examples, but the type and threshold of DA is determined largely by genetics, and some breeds contain many more examples of DA dogs than others.

Breeding DA dogs and selling them as pets is irresponsible. It is good to see owners like Teebs understand their dog and go to considerable personal effort to ensure it stays out of trouble.

My boy was defending himself and protecting me from what he saw as a threat, it's that simple. This wonderful breed is protective of the family they love, but some people will never understand this.

[tarope]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

Poorly bred GSD's can be DA, but good GSD's aren't DA in the slightest. Who the morons are IMHO in regard to DA GSD's are the people who breed them, a testament that they shouldn't be breeding GSD until they know what they are doing?

I agree. GSDs with the correct temperament (and adequately socialised and trained) will not be dog aggressive and will not 'nearly eat' another dog that approaches it while it is on lead with its owner in a public place.

A dog like that should be kept away from places where other dogs are likely to approach them, unless they are muzzled or prevented from being able to bite.

No wonder we have breed prejudice against this breed when some owners are so accepting of their dog's OTT aggression and blame anybody but themselves when their dog is upset by a situation they have placed it in.

In any breed you can get DA examples, but the type and threshold of DA is determined largely by genetics, and some breeds contain many more examples of DA dogs than others.

Breeding DA dogs and selling them as pets is irresponsible. It is good to see owners like Teebs understand their dog and go to considerable personal effort to ensure it stays out of trouble.

One of my GSD's is both DA & HA and enquiring with the breeder why my dog is like this, the reason I was given for the aggressive behaviour was the belief that GSD's are a guardian breed, it's how a good GSD is supposed to be and his aggressive displays are caused by mismanagement on my part and incorrect raising, much the same reasoning Tarope has told us again from an experienced GSDL member and breeder?

These people are supposed to be the GSD experts with experience in the breed who accept DA & HA dogs as a well bred example with good traits that need to be managed with choker chains and compulsive training with open displays of aggression being the owners fault?. I had a highly experienced working dog trainer and breeder assess my dog's behaviour who told me that my dog was no good and had a major temperament fault and in his opinion caused by breeding dogs that should never had been bred and critiqued my dog as a very poor example of the breed to be desexed and "never" bred.

My second GSD is a working line Shepherd bred for temperament and performance in working roles from a line of extremely hard dogs and the dog is calm and confident, not the slightest bit DA or HA and on my part, there was no more management measures put into place raising this dog than raising a friendly Golden Retriever in terms of necessity to stem aggressive traits simply because a good GSD shouldn't have any active display of aggression unless threatened or provoked.

It's an absolute misconception that working breeds like the GSD that can be trained in protection roles should be actively aggressive or be accepted that aggression is part of the breed. Active aggression in the breed is a faulty temperament and weak nerve, regardless of what the GSDL excuses aggression as, it's up to the owners of GSD's like this to collar the breeders and ask them what the hell they are breeding? There are too many GSD's bred with poor temperaments and too many excuses and cover up's for aggressive behaviour passing the buck back onto the owners for mismanagement of dogs who are genetically flawed from birth.

Have you ever been to obedience training run by the GSD Club of SA? If it's no, then maybe you should. ;)

I have the answer for you, if you don't like the way the GSD is then don't own it. :D

[PetSitters]

Have you ever been to obedience training run by the GSD Club of SA? If it's no, then maybe you should.

I have the answer for you, if you don't like the way the GSD is then don't own it.

Yes I have Tarope, it's a joke along with the reasoning for unwarranted reactivity, learned that Schutzhund training. Your DA Shepherd's wouldn't make it onto a Schutzhund field and would be disqualfied at the gate as my reactive dog was, so given Schutzhund is the global breed suitability test, how does being DA or HA make up the correct or desired trait in that case?

I already have the answer, buy a GSD from a breeder who uses the traits for the work they were intended to do and understands what traits make up a correct example of the breed. Reactive dogs are protecting themselves with fear aggression and weak nerves, they are not protecting you Tarope ;)

[Sayreovi]

Active aggression in the breed is a faulty temperament and weak nerve, regardless of what the GSDL excuses aggression as, it's up to the owners of GSD's like this to collar the breeders and ask them what the hell they are breeding? There are too many GSD's bred with poor temperaments and too many excuses and cover up's for aggressive behaviour passing the buck back onto the owners for mismanagement of dogs who are genetically flawed from birth.

What a pity that some breeders aren't paying attention to the most important part of the standard. I want to own a GSD one day in the future but sounds like it's a bit of a gamble attempting to get one that isn't DA or HA. Such a beautiful breed that is being ruined inside and out by the sounds of what everyone is saying....

"The German Shepherd Dog must be of well balanced temperament, steady of nerves, self assured, totally at ease (except when provoked) and good natured as well as attentive and easy to train. He must possess instinctive drive, resilience and self confidence in order to be suitable as a companion, watch dog, protection, service and herding dog."

DISQUALIFYING FAULTS

a) Weak character, aggression without provocation or nervousness

[Greytmate]

My boy was defending himself and protecting me from what he saw as a threat, it's that simple. This wonderful breed is protective of the family they love, but some people will never understand this.

He wasn't protecting you from anything. There was no threat to you at all.

If your dog was feeling that threatened by a loose dog, it must be a very nervous dog and that is a fault in any breed. Dogs with good nerves don't need to 'nearly eat' other dogs that approach it.

Taking your dog unmuzzled into an environment where you know there may be loose animals is pretty irresponsible. Expecting everyone else to just accept your dog's dangerous aggression is even worse.

I have seen plenty of well-bred shepherds that are calm and politely interested (or disinterested) around strange new dogs. Don't expect me to believe that those dogs are the faulty ones and yours is the desirable type.

[tarope]

Have you ever been to obedience training run by the GSD Club of SA? If it's no, then maybe you should.

I have the answer for you, if you don't like the way the GSD is then don't own it.

Yes I have Tarope, it's a joke along with the reasoning for unwarranted reactivity, learned that Schutzhund training. Your DA Shepherd's wouldn't make it onto a Schutzhund field and would be disqualfied at the gate as my reactive dog was, so given Schutzhund is the global breed suitability test, how does being DA or HA make up the correct or desired trait in that case?

I already have the answer, buy a GSD from a breeder who uses the traits for the work they were intended to do and understands what traits make up a correct example of the breed. Reactive dogs are protecting themselves with fear aggression and weak nerves, they are not protecting you Tarope ;)

Let me understand this, your bashing the GSD club of SA so it's a fair bet you didn't buy you GSD's from that club then why are you here on DOL as DOL is about promoting not bashing pure breed clubs.

[tarope]

My boy was defending himself and protecting me from what he saw as a threat, it's that simple. This wonderful breed is protective of the family they love, but some people will never understand this.

He wasn't protecting you from anything. There was no threat to you at all.

If your dog was feeling that threatened by a loose dog, it must be a very nervous dog and that is a fault in any breed. Dogs with good nerves don't need to 'nearly eat' other dogs that approach it.

Taking your dog unmuzzled into an environment where you know there may be loose animals is pretty irresponsible. Expecting everyone else to just accept your dog's dangerous aggression is even worse.

I have seen plenty of well-bred shepherds that are calm and politely interested (or disinterested) around strange new dogs. Don't expect me to believe that those dogs are the faulty ones and yours is the desirable type.

I would really like to say what I think of you and this post of yours, but I won't because it would get me banned. :D

[tarope]

Active aggression in the breed is a faulty temperament and weak nerve, regardless of what the GSDL excuses aggression as, it's up to the owners of GSD's like this to collar the breeders and ask them what the hell they are breeding? There are too many GSD's bred with poor temperaments and too many excuses and cover up's for aggressive behaviour passing the buck back onto the owners for mismanagement of dogs who are genetically flawed from birth.

What a pity that some breeders aren't paying attention to the most important part of the standard. I want to own a GSD one day in the future but sounds like it's a bit of a gamble attempting to get one that isn't DA or HA. Such a beautiful breed that is being ruined inside and out by the sounds of what everyone is saying....

"The German Shepherd Dog must be of well balanced temperament, steady of nerves, self assured, totally at ease (except when provoked) and good natured as well as attentive and easy to train. He must possess instinctive drive, resilience and self confidence in order to be suitable as a companion, watch dog, protection, service and herding dog."

DISQUALIFYING FAULTS

a) Weak character, aggression without provocation or nervousness

Please take no notice of what some people are saying about this loyal,loving,Intelligent family pet. The GSD clubs test for health and temperament it is called Breed Survey and this started many years ago as fear bitting and HD were a big problem but not now.

I have been to several and this is one of the reasons I chose this wonderful breed. :D

[PetSitters]

Have you ever been to obedience training run by the GSD Club of SA? If it's no, then maybe you should.

I have the answer for you, if you don't like the way the GSD is then don't own it.

Yes I have Tarope, it's a joke along with the reasoning for unwarranted reactivity, learned that Schutzhund training. Your DA Shepherd's wouldn't make it onto a Schutzhund field and would be disqualfied at the gate as my reactive dog was, so given Schutzhund is the global breed suitability test, how does being DA or HA make up the correct or desired trait in that case?

I already have the answer, buy a GSD from a breeder who uses the traits for the work they were intended to do and understands what traits make up a correct example of the breed. Reactive dogs are protecting themselves with fear aggression and weak nerves, they are not protecting you Tarope ;)

Let me understand this, your bashing the GSD club of SA so it's a fair bet you didn't buy you GSD's from that club then why are you here on DOL as DOL is about promoting not bashing pure breed clubs.

I have two GSD's Tarope, one from the GSD Club that is DA & HA and one that isn't. The GSD club say's the temperament is correct and up to me to manage the dog effectively, but the breed standard says the tempermament is faulty? I have a GSD who's temperament is "exactly" as the breed standard describes and prefer the correct version thanks :D

[Odin-Genie]

..GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets...

..I have never seen DA as a problem..

I have seen many GSDs who aren't DA, and are very happy to play with my dogs. I have also seen potentially DA GSDs and I avoid them.

I would be very worried if being DA was the breed standard for GSDs.

And to not see DA as a problem seriously worries me. If my dogs were that reactive, they would always be muzzed in public to keep other people and animals safe. Yes, there are owners who don't understand leash laws. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take responsibility for our own dogs.

DA can be managed. It's not a reason to PTS. But it would be ignorant to assume that it's not a problem.

Edited June 22, 2011 by Odin-Genie

[Greytmate]

My boy was defending himself and protecting me from what he saw as a threat, it's that simple. This wonderful breed is protective of the family they love, but some people will never understand this.

He wasn't protecting you from anything. There was no threat to you at all.

If your dog was feeling that threatened by a loose dog, it must be a very nervous dog and that is a fault in any breed. Dogs with good nerves don't need to 'nearly eat' other dogs that approach it.

Taking your dog unmuzzled into an environment where you know there may be loose animals is pretty irresponsible. Expecting everyone else to just accept your dog's dangerous aggression is even worse.

I have seen plenty of well-bred shepherds that are calm and politely interested (or disinterested) around strange new dogs. Don't expect me to believe that those dogs are the faulty ones and yours is the desirable type.

I would really like to say what I think of you and this post of yours, but I won't because it would get me banned. :D

Aggressive personal attacks will get you banned. Just like your dog was from the vet's waiting room.

Good on you for not posting and showing us that you have the self-restraint that your dog doesn't have. You might want to muzzle your dog too.