juice Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To be honest, you are better off contacting breeders now, there maybe a wait list, so if you find a breeder you like they can tell you if they have any due then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esky the husky Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I have happily paid twice the price to get a pedigree husky compared to a byb husky. Worth it 100x over, got a great breeder who I can contact and who is proud of what we do with Esky. From a cost perspective byb or badly bred dogs may not come with basics such as microchipping and sometimes even not vaccinations or worming. All the vetwork was done with my pedigree girl as well as her desexing, all with the purchase price so it can quickly amount to really good value. I truly feel like we got a bargain :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Is it presumptious to contact a breeder regardless of litters available or due? To check them out and find a breeder we like? I assume that if no litters were due that would make for a long wait time though. I was hoping for Feb/March. (Well to be honest if we had the money i'd have one yesterday!) No, it isn't. Some breeders won't be interested in investing their time if they have no litters on the horizons, others will be happy to chat and will be able to tell you a lot of useful information about the breed you are looking at. Unfortunately some will only want to tell you who not to buy from, sometimes with reason sometimes not and honestly it is hard to tell the difference sometimes. Generally I would suggest you find a couple of breeders you like the sound of, phone them up regardless if they are advertising puppies or not. Say you are interested in a male/female PET puppy and if a conversation ensues, whether or not pups are available, you can follow your gut instinct on them. Someone who is happy to have a chat & will tell you the good and bad of the breed - health, behavioural tendencies, temperament etc - even if they don't have pups to sell you are probably going to be good to deal with. If all they can do is bad-mouth other breeders and tell you horror stories about dogs that don't live in their yard, gently put the phone down and RUN away. Upshot is if you find a couple of people you can talk to about the breed, they will almost certainly be able to direct you to litters bred by like-minded people who will be breeding dogs because they love the breed, not to make money or just to win in the showring but because they respect the breed's heritage and cherish it's future. Don't be over-awed by a "super show dog breeder" - show ring success isn't the be-all and end-all (says me who has been showing dogs for more than 30 years). Most breeders I hang around with are just happy to breed healthy typical-looking pups, keep what they hope is the best (we're usually wrong :laugh: ) and sell the rest to people who will give them a great home for life - people like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) I suggest you start contacting breeders now and not necessarily breeders with litters. In fact I can see many benefits in deliberately targeting breeders without litters. This will give you and them time to get a feel for one another and also afford you more time to learn as much as you can about your breed of choice. Perhaps they may be planning a litter later this year or early to mid next year. IMO you need more time to get the feel of a breeder and them for you, building a raport, learn more about the breed and mentally and physically prepare yourself. Though it is definitely very important to plan the arrival of your pup around ensuring you can take time off to settle the pup in and getting a puppy is always so exciting that we tend to not want to wait, for me the searching should be more focused on finding and securing the right breeder and line you will be happy with and then waiting for it. You will be surprised how much more about the breed and buying a puppy you will learn when you start talking to breeders. Good things are worth waiting for. Best wishes with your search. Edited October 13, 2012 by dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llante Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 DNA tests available for Beagle breeding stock are: Pyruvate Kinase Deficiency Enzyme deficiency (anaemia) Primary Open Angle Glaucoma Both with an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance so at least one parent has to be clear/normal for each condition. The parents should also have annual specialist eye examinations as they can get a variety of other eye conditions that there is no DNA test for. I have no idea if they hip score Beagles or not. If you google health problems in Beagles you will find lists of possible but reasonably rare health issues. Every breeder should know about them and be able to tell you if there has been any cases in the near relatives. Breeders need to be aware of what may be lurking and be prepared to discuss this with buyers. In most breeds there should be no difference in price for colour but in Beagles I believe they do charge more for the tri colour ones and less for the less popular lemon/white. Thank you all again :) I have been afraid of posting previously because I admit I don't know much, and didn't want to seem silly. I am surprised Lemon/whites are unpopular! I thought they were rarer and therefore harder to find. Colouring doesn't matter much, as long as we bond. Thanks Sandra777 Made me smile. We always hope we are doing the right thing by our animals, knowing the life they came from the short answer is yes, but we could always do better right? This is our 2nd Christmas with our Simba and I am going to get around to making that Christmas Tie and Cufflink set for him and include him in the family picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llante Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 So on the topic of finding a reputable breeder, could anyone here recommend a Beagle breeder?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Is it presumptious to contact a breeder regardless of litters available or due? To check them out and find a breeder we like? I assume that if no litters were due that would make for a long wait time though. I was hoping for Feb/March. (Well to be honest if we had the money i'd have one yesterday!) Generally I would suggest you find a couple of breeders you like the sound of, phone them up regardless if they are advertising puppies or not. Say you are interested in a male/female PET puppy and if a conversation ensues, whether or not pups are available, you can follow your gut instinct on them. Someone who is happy to have a chat & will tell you the good and bad of the breed - health, behavioural tendencies, temperament etc - even if they don't have pups to sell you are probably going to be good to deal with. If all they can do is bad-mouth other breeders and tell you horror stories about dogs that don't live in their yard, gently put the phone down and RUN away. Upshot is if you find a couple of people you can talk to about the breed, they will almost certainly be able to direct you to litters bred by like-minded people who will be breeding dogs because they love the breed, not to make money or just to win in the showring but because they respect the breed's heritage and cherish it's future. Don't be over-awed by a "super show dog breeder" - show ring success isn't the be-all and end-all (says me who has been showing dogs for more than 30 years). Most breeders I hang around with are just happy to breed healthy typical-looking pups, keep what they hope is the best (we're usually wrong :laugh: ) and sell the rest to people who will give them a great home for life - people like you. absolutley agree once you find a breeder like that, your home and hosed.they are out there, dont despair, in our chi club thats just what you get. We know heaps of people who might have just what you want if they havent.Just dont know nyone with beagels sorri Edited October 13, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I breed beagles. Price depends on lots of variables. I have one left still not spoken for out of my current litter and Ive reduced the price because he has a very slight umbilical hernia .He will go home with a vet certificate to tell the new owner that the hernia isnt anything that will cause a problem and it's so small if I didnt tell you he had it you probably wouldnt know - its about the size of half a pea but because I know its there Ive reduced the price to $750. I dont keep a waiting list unless you already have one of my dogs as at times we had over 100 on the list waiting which is pretty silly. So now I dont tell anyone they are due and I say they are here when they are over 3 weeks old .They sell very quickly and I could never breed enough to fill the demand.Girls are wanted more than boys and Tri coloured are more popular. Puppies which go out for show or breeding are sold at a higher price - because I put in more work on the people who are buying it, they get a different package which helps with breeding etc and I am much more fussy about being sure there is nothing which would be a potential problem for breeding [no c sections in the lines, no recessives etc]. So my pet puppies go out for $850 and main register $1000. People are always welcome to come here and visit to see the puppies before they buy but by far most purchase without seeing them and fly them home. Every pup out of this current litter so far is flying interstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llante Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 Thanks again :) I have so many more questions but feel a bit silly. I'll just try more searching and see what I can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llante Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 I breed beagles. Price depends on lots of variables. I have one left still not spoken for out of my current litter and Ive reduced the price because he has a very slight umbilical hernia .He will go home with a vet certificate to tell the new owner that the hernia isnt anything that will cause a problem and it's so small if I didnt tell you he had it you probably wouldnt know - its about the size of half a pea but because I know its there Ive reduced the price to $750. I dont keep a waiting list unless you already have one of my dogs as at times we had over 100 on the list waiting which is pretty silly. So now I dont tell anyone they are due and I say they are here when they are over 3 weeks old .They sell very quickly and I could never breed enough to fill the demand.Girls are wanted more than boys and Tri coloured are more popular. Puppies which go out for show or breeding are sold at a higher price - because I put in more work on the people who are buying it, they get a different package which helps with breeding etc and I am much more fussy about being sure there is nothing which would be a potential problem for breeding [no c sections in the lines, no recessives etc]. So my pet puppies go out for $850 and main register $1000. People are always welcome to come here and visit to see the puppies before they buy but by far most purchase without seeing them and fly them home. Every pup out of this current litter so far is flying interstate. Hi Steve Thank you so much for replying in the thread. I really appreciate it. When you say package, what does that entail? And do you have a website or contact details so we might keep in touch? It sounds like your little boy is quite special, if I had the right money and resources I would be coming around to visit! Is it usual for pups to be sold without being seen? And do you usually get people viewing pups before purchasing? I love cute pics of pups, but again, it's all on the bond. Animals have always chosen me as their owner, so I'd really like to have that opportunity. Or is the demand too high for that luxury? Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Thanks again :) I have so many more questions but feel a bit silly. I'll just try more searching and see what I can find. Im happy for you to ask me as many questions as you like. If you dont want to do that here you can do it privately . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Thanks again :) I have so many more questions but feel a bit silly. I'll just try more searching and see what I can find. Just keep asking those questions. The only silly questions are the ones unasked. :D Lots of people do buy their puppy without first meeting them but you must then trust the breeder to pick the right pup for you. I have no idea on the availability of beagle pups near you, you might find one nearby you click with and then be able to go see the pups but, cause the breeders know their pups inside and out they may still do the choosing for you, so you need to go with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I give lots of info out when someone puts a deposit on one of our pups. The pet ones get hints on training, feeding, beagles in general etc If they want to breed they also get a heap more stuff on testing, genetics, anatomy, canine husbandry etc etc. I also ask what type of environment the pup will come home to - will it sleep inside or outside etc and set that up here so by the time it gets home it wont be stressed and more used to how it will live form now on .Everything I do is designed to educate you, make you feel comfortable calling me up in the middle of the night if you have a question and being sure you know what you are getting and how best to live with it without you or the pup having a problem. if you get in early enough you have a choice but reality is that they all look like rats for a few weeks anyway and as most go out long distance they are purchased via photo. Sometimes people come out to visit and cuddle before they decide but usually it isnt a choice and there is only one or two still available. Usually by the time the pups are old enough to be up and moving they are spoken for so the likelihood of you getting to choose is not very high. I held this little boy back because I wanted to be sure about the hernia so he is 7 weeks old and not sold but the rest of the litter was sold by the time they were 5 weeks old .Id be surprised if this little boy is still available this time next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Also Ive been breeding beagles for a very long time - almost 40 years and Ive put a lot of science into ensuring they are predictable. Lots of people ask for a more assertive one or a quieter one or a laid back or an adventurer but depending on when you are looking they really are all the same. You could come here one day and think one or the other is more friendly etc and then tomorrrow it will be another and it depends on how long ago they ate or slept etc . There is no way with my beagle babies that I could say one or the other is more suited to a family with kids or other wise. they all move around with their noses down and tails up, they all eat without yelling at the others, they all want a cuddle as much as any other . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llante Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Wow, so much work you put in for them. You must really care for them dearly. I feel like I have stumbled down a rabbit hole and ended up in a completely different world. I can liken it to finding out about cloth nappies when I had my children. That world was an eye opener and I had no idea that community existed! Well this is all making a lot of sense. And I just read that Beagle gestations around 65 days, which isn't really that long when I thought it was similar to a human. So waiting 3-4 months for the right pup might not be so daunting! I understand now why you are all saying find the right breeder and parents before considering the pup. It is starting to be a lot clearer (also to the used car sales analogy! That is going to help my husband along nicely). As for questions I wanted to know what happens to the pups that return to you. Do you hold on to them or try and rehome?? My other silly question was just in regards to females and whether to desex or not. My sister just bought a bunny and the breeder asked her not to spray her and bring her back when she started nesting and she would breed a litter from her, and my sister could have her pick of the litter for her time. I wondered if that is something the dog community did as well, as I am a very clucky lady who just adores family, babies and the like, but I do not want the responsibility of caring for a pregnant dog when I know so little. Expecially all these tests and the like! I'm going to be a mess when my own children start thinking about having children It was a silly question that popped into my head, thought I may as well ask and hope not to be burned at the stake. Edited October 13, 2012 by Llante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Pups that return to me? Depends - sometimes I find them a new home sometimes they stay. From memory in 40 years there has been 5 which came back. I dont want the dog back for breeding - if I wanted it for breeding Id keep it and if there is any chance at all in the future that you might want to breed with I need to know up front so I can be sure you get the right one. Female dogs have a unique reproduction system and if they dont breed they get sick so its either breed them or desex them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Here's half my litter snapped about ten minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) As for questions I wanted to know what happens to the pups that return to you. Do you hold on to them or try and rehome?? My other silly question was just in regards to females and whether to desex or not. My sister just bought a bunny and the breeder asked her not to spray her and bring her back when she started nesting and she would breed a litter from her, and my sister could have her pick of the litter for her time. I wondered if that is something the dog community did as well, as I am a very clucky lady who just adores family, babies and the like, but I do not want the responsibility of caring for a pregnant dog when I know so little. Expecially all these tests and the like! I'm going to be a mess when my own children start thinking about having children Hopefully there are very few pups actually returned if both buyer and seller do their homework. But each breeder is different. I have cats and wouldn't take back any dog I bred unless they were already living with cats. I would however do everything else possible to assist/help find a dog of my breeding a suitable new home. Which would include having a non safe cat dog here for a very short time if needed. Dogs do have soemthing similar, called breeders terms, not for the faint hearted. Usually the breeder takes the dog back 2 weeks before birth, the bitch and pup stay with the breeder for X amount of weeks and then you get your pet back. Depending on the terms and conditions of your contract you may or may not get a pup, may or may not get a discount on the buying price etc. Can go very horribly wrong. Edited October 13, 2012 by Rebanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Thanks again :) I have so many more questions but feel a bit silly. I'll just try more searching and see what I can find. Im happy for you to ask me as many questions as you like. If you dont want to do that here you can do it privately . somehow I had it in my head you bred chihuahua's ... just from what I know of you, she couldnt go wrong.. I got my first registered cattle dog on breeders terms, in her case, he put her in pup, got the pick of the litter and she was mine. as I never kept more than one or two, over the years I trusted some 5 people with the same to help them thinking return the favour, but only one kept their word. so go into it knowing you might only find 1 in 5 or thereabouts turns out ok. the reasons it all falls apart are many and varied not always either partys fault either, accidents can also happen as well. The most frustrating was the nit that decided in season was yuk and desexed her without even asking if I would look after her till she was off. the only girl I ever had as good as her won best in show....... so it wasnt a small disaster Edited October 13, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Cheewowwas ? Not likely - too much like rats to me I cant even spell it Edited October 13, 2012 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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