jerry lee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Gen X. What they were brainwashed with in the education system is now starting to surface as they move into positions of policy making in the real world.....of which they have no real understanding. Edited December 16, 2012 by jerry lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Perhaps they think all stock should be lead trained so the farmers can just walk them everywhere individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigirl Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Perhaps they think all stock should be lead trained so the farmers can just walk them everywhere individually. Lol Edited December 16, 2012 by indigirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Whose idea was this anyway? Is there somebody in the RSPCA actually admitting to this being their idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 When I get back on my other computer I'll post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 http://www.rspca.org.au/what-we-do/working-with-farming-industry/beef-cattle-welfare.html then http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files/RSPCA_Beef_Cattle_Guidelines_Nov2012.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 So what happens when the RSPCA's guidelines clash with those issued by the Dept of Primary Industry where certain parts are actually enforceable and would already be adhered to. The RSPCA's are issued as GUIDELINES and are just that - unless they are backed up with legislation they fall back onto POCTA. Pity people don't realise that food comes from somewhere & does not just appear in the supermarket or butcher shop overnight delivered by the fairies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Right now they are guidelines but if they get their way they'll eventually end up mandatory code. It's a gradual chipping away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhok Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Sounds like what happened in New Zealand with Dairy cows. --Lhok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Unbelievable. Most of the dogs who need to be muzzled because they are hard on stock are muzzled anyway. We've never needed to muzzle any of our working dogs, the ACDs were never used in the cattle yards and the one kelpie we had who would bite in the sheep yards was a far better paddock dog than yard dog so was usually tied up. Even when I was jillarooing, working with cattle who didn't see man for months at at time, we never used dogs in the yards. However, if you take a look at some of the working dog ads you will see dogs being showcased as being hard biters, in some cases hanging off the muzzles of cattle, sometimes two and three dogs cornering stock in a yard for the sake of a good ad photo. I've grown up and worked on numerous cattle properties with working ACDs & kelpies, but some of the photos I've seen in ads make me cringe because they are unnecessarily harsh on the stock and do none of us any favours. Edited December 16, 2012 by Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I really can not beleive this. Is there really someone out there that thinks this is a good move? WHAT NEXT! I know - lets get the RSPCA folk into the yards to move the cattle...... I wonder what the National Party and the National Farmers Federation think of this? Edited December 16, 2012 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think there'll be a bigger fighting force to try to prevent this than has happened with show people. Sheep will be next (if they haven't already done a sheep guideline) and then now trials with cattle or sheep as well as not being able to use dogs at all. The whole point of using dogs is that they are trained to work the stock quietly and gently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think there'll be a bigger fighting force to try to prevent this than has happened with show people. Sheep will be next (if they haven't already done a sheep guideline) and then now trials with cattle or sheep as well as not being able to use dogs at all. The whole point of using dogs is that they are trained to work the stock quietly and gently! Yes. And on that note I just dropped a line to my local State member on this issue. His electorate is a rural farming based one so I darn well hope he listens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Now is the time to act because once they close to getting the laws changed there is no going back. I think there needs to be something prepared, I'm now on the herding advisory committee for SA so I'll be bringing this up next meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) This is the organisation that had wool heavy sheep run to exhaustion by people with for their TV show trying to pen them for shearing, then a working dog do the job with minimum fuss. Edited December 16, 2012 by Janba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Yep, they have really lost their way. People with no clue making decisions for all of us based on what they think will be popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I guess stock horses will be next then, especially camp drafting and cutting, since they chase cows around at speed.... I like the idea of the RSPCA folks doing the dogs' job for a week, maybe they will rethink their position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Don't forget the working dogs themselves that will be regulated, not that they'll have to bother because they wouldn't be allowed near the stock anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbreedlover Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I guess stock horses will be next then, especially camp drafting and cutting, since they chase cows around at speed.... I like the idea of the RSPCA folks doing the dogs' job for a week, maybe they will rethink their position... Would love to see that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I guess stock horses will be next then, especially camp drafting and cutting, since they chase cows around at speed.... I like the idea of the RSPCA folks doing the dogs' job for a week, maybe they will rethink their position... I will smack someone if that happens! I've got one bull who can only be moved on horse back as he gets stirry. This whole thing is BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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