VizslaMomma Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 [ AND my vet approves. ......... That would be my take on your post. You have the backing of your Vet should you consider the option. I am sure by now you know how many dog owners have Vets who can be deaf towards their patients' needs. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I scale my own dogs teeth with no worries. They are used to staying still having their nose held, mouths open etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfume Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 My vet cleans my toy poodle's teeth without a GA. The dog is sedated with gas and I sit in on the procedure. The dog recovers well without the drama of being left at the surgery for hours :) That is good to know. Next time I have my 12 yo toy poodle's teeth cleaned I will mention this to the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) I've been waiting for this kind of service in Australia, like Jules I also have a dog that can't go under aenesthetic. Does anyone know if they offer this anywhere in Nsw? Hankodie, you may be interested in this message taken from Fresh Breath Doggie Dental facebook page I am holding an anesthesia free dog and cat teeth cleaning clinic on November 29th and 30th in the Sydney area in Maroubra Beach spots are booking fast please contact me soon to secure a place. I have decided to have my boy done on Tuesday so will report back as to how it all goes. Edited to correct the result of not reading what I typed. Edited November 6, 2014 by Airedaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I've been waiting for this kind of service in Australia, like Jules I also have a dog that can't go under aenesthetic. Does anyone know if they offer this anywhere in Nsw? Hankodie, you may be interested in this message taken from Fresh Breath Doggie Dental facebook page I am holding an anesthesia free dog and cat teeth cleaning clinic on November 29th and 30th in the Sydney area in Maroubra Beach spots are booking fast please contact me soon to secure a place. I am decided to have my boy done on Tuesday so will report back as to how it all goes. Looking forward to the report :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrm88 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 My vet cleans my toy poodle's teeth without a GA. The dog is sedated with gas and I sit in on the procedure. The dog recovers well without the drama of being left at the surgery for hours :) That is good to know. Next time I have my 12 yo toy poodle's teeth cleaned I will mention this to the vet. I just wanted to clarify that the gas your dog receives is still a general anaesthetic (most likely isoflurane) . It is a different method of delivery. Inhalation vs. intravenous. Inhalation anaesthetic is safer in that it is expelled very quickly (via the lungs) whereas intravenous anaesthetic needs to be metabolized which takes time. Induction with an inhalation agent is usually more stressful on an animal as they can taste/smell the anaesthetic and often fight it (obviously different for different animals). But it is good that animals do recover so quickly from this method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranga Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 My vet cleans my toy poodle's teeth without a GA. The dog is sedated with gas and I sit in on the procedure. The dog recovers well without the drama of being left at the surgery for hours :) That is good to know. Next time I have my 12 yo toy poodle's teeth cleaned I will mention this to the vet. I just wanted to clarify that the gas your dog receives is still a general anaesthetic (most likely isoflurane) . It is a different method of delivery. Inhalation vs. intravenous. Inhalation anaesthetic is safer in that it is expelled very quickly (via the lungs) whereas intravenous anaesthetic needs to be metabolized which takes time. Induction with an inhalation agent is usually more stressful on an animal as they can taste/smell the anaesthetic and often fight it (obviously different for different animals). But it is good that animals do recover so quickly from this method. Thanks for that info jrm :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustluvdoggzz Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Their website is not very forthcoming with information. It doesn't even tell us where this vet dentist is located. It seems they are somewhere in Victoria. I would really like to know how they relax dogs and particularly cats enough to be able to carry out the anaesthesia free dental procedure. The animals would already be stressed simply by being in an unfamiliar environment. It is beyond my imagination to picture animals 'opening wide' on the command by the dentist. The concept is great but I would like more information about how this is done. I think they are in Melbourne. that's what it says on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Their website is not very forthcoming with information. It doesn't even tell us where this vet dentist is located. It seems they are somewhere in Victoria. I would really like to know how they relax dogs and particularly cats enough to be able to carry out the anaesthesia free dental procedure. The animals would already be stressed simply by being in an unfamiliar environment. It is beyond my imagination to picture animals 'opening wide' on the command by the dentist. The concept is great but I would like more information about how this is done. I think they are in Melbourne. that's what it says on the website. Well yes, they are in Melbourne but I doubt they would be in the CBD. According to a previous post on here they are in Dandenong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) So, today was the day I had Gus' teeth cleaned without a GA. Brian from Fresh Breath Cat & Dog Teeth Cleaning came and on arrival spent 15 minutes or so chatting while basically ignoring Gus after this time he interacted with Gus who was quite relaxed in his own environment. Gus is a bit of a stress head in as much as while he is comfortable with what he knows he is not always so in new situations. Within a very short time he and Brian were happy together. Time to start the process. Firstly let me say NO SEDATION was used. Gus was wrapped in a sheet and put on his usual inside mat on his side. Brian simply talked calmly to him and stroked him in order for Gus to relax at which stage he slowly started scaling the teeth. When Gus became restless Brian stopped for a while to allow Gus to relax again and then proceeded. After about 30 minutes one side was finished and Gus was let up for a break. Brain and I had a cuppa and 10 minutes later did the sheet wrapping again and were ready to do the second half of Gus's teeth. At one point Gus was so relaxed he went to sleep!!!!! Yes, my stress head boy actually went to sleep while a strange person scraped away at his teeth. The whole process took about an hour and a half and Gus now has lovely clean teeth, fresh breath and no after effect of a GA. I would totally recommend this method and for those dogs that for medical reasons cannot have GA's it would be wonderful. It is still not cheap but a lot cheaper than I have been quoted and IMO just as good a job was done. Gus' teeth before - not too bad for a 12 year old. Stage 1 - Wrapping A relaxed Gus - no restraint and he is quite calm Brian working on Gus Finished, nice white, clean teeth ETA: As I see it the possible downside to this procedure would be if there was any further dental work required. Brian does not do extractions and so if that was necessary Veterinary intervention and GA would be necessary. Edited November 11, 2014 by Airedaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustluvdoggzz Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 So, today was the day I had Gus' teeth cleaned without a GA. Brian from Fresh Breath Cat & Dog Teeth Cleaning came and on arrival spent 15 minutes or so chatting while basically ignoring Gus after this time he interacted with Gus who was quite relaxed in his own environment. Gus is a bit of a stress head in as much as while he is comfortable with what he knows he is not always so in new situations. Within a very short time he and Brian were happy together. Time to start the process. Firstly let me say NO SEDATION was used. Gus was wrapped in a sheet and put on his usual inside mat on his side. Brian simply talked calmly to him and stroked him in order for Gus to relax at which stage he slowly started scaling the teeth. When Gus became restless Brian stopped for a while to allow Gus to relax again and then proceeded. After about 30 minutes one side was finished and Gus was let up for a break. Brain and I had a cuppa and 10 minutes later did the sheet wrapping again and were ready to do the second half of Gus's teeth. At one point Gus was so relaxed he went to sleep!!!!! Yes, my stress head boy actually went to sleep while a strange person scraped away at his teeth. The whole process took about an hour and a half and Gus now has lovely clean teeth, fresh breath and no after effect of a GA. I would totally recommend this method and for those dogs that for medical reasons cannot have GA's it would be wonderful. It is still not cheap but a lot cheaper than I have been quoted and IMO just as good a job was done. Gus' teeth before - not too bad for a 12 year old. Stage 1 - Wrapping A relaxed Gus - no restraint and he is quite calm Brian working on Gus Finished, nice white, clean teeth ETA: As I see it the possible downside to this procedure would be if there was any further dental work required. Brian does not do extractions and so if that was necessary Veterinary intervention and GA would be necessary. looks great..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustluvdoggzz Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 what would the veterinarian have charged you to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 what would the veterinarian have charged you to do it? I was quoted a minimum of $500 by 2 Vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spencinator Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Airdaler that looks fantastic! Great for pups who can't have a GA. Sorry if this question is a bit off topic but should I be brushing my lab's teeth as well as giving him things to chew? Or does he not need brushing because he gets plenty of bones/cow hooves etc.? His teeth look pretty good to me but I am definitely no expert and don't really know what to look for. It has only just occurred to me that perhaps I should be doing both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustluvdoggzz Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 what would the veterinarian have charged you to do it? I was quoted a minimum of $500 by 2 Vets. So does a minimum mean that it could of ended up to be higher due to anesthesia use difficulty of cleaning etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 what would the veterinarian have charged you to do it? I was quoted a minimum of $500 by 2 Vets. So does a minimum mean that it could of ended up to be higher due to anesthesia use difficulty of cleaning etc Quite often that is the quote for a basic clean/scale and a GA. IT goes upwards if they find any teeth that require removal or further work. If there is a tooth removal required, the time and cost depends on which tooth it is. A carnassial has three roots and a big tooth, a canine has as much if not more root below the gum line, than above the gum line. An incisor takes very little to remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 How much did it cost Airedaler? Did he also polish the teeth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I would also be interested to know how much this teeth cleaning costs. When one of my Cavaliers had a dental at the vets with a GA it cost more than $500. That did not include taking bloods but did include fluids and pain relief meds plus antibiotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 It cost me $300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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