Interesting tidbit found in Victorian council Domestic Animal Management Plan draft

[tdierikx]

As part of my involvement with Animal Care Australia, I regularly assist in our submissions relating to animal welfare policies and legislation Australia-wide.

 

Currently looking at the draft Domestic Animal Management Plan (DAMP) for Wellington Shire Council in Victoria - https://your.wellington.vic.gov.au/domestic-animal-management-plan-review - and came across this interesting tidbit...

 

 

Heads up to any of our breeder members here who might be targeted for council visits (or worse) if you live in that shire and advertise any of your pups on this site.

 

T.

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On 12/10/2025 at 9:30 PM, saxmaoks said:

Curious to find out how many dogs share your pet’s name, breed, or suburb?

Sure thing, you can have some personal information.
I'm curious to know your credit card number.  We'll swap.

[DonnaMariee]

On 30/08/2025 at 12:25 PM, tdierikx said:

As part of my involvement with Animal Care Australia, I regularly assist in our submissions relating to animal welfare policies and legislation Australia-wide.

 

Currently looking at the draft Domestic Animal Management Plan (DAMP) for Wellington Shire Council in Victoria - https://your.wellington.vic.gov.au/domestic-animal-management-plan-review - and came across this interesting tidbit...

 

 

Heads up to any of our breeder members here who might be targeted for council visits (or worse) if you live in that shire and advertise any of your pups on this site.

 

T.

Im hoping this will mean that we can "weed out" the very people who do so much damage to the Breeds by "Backyard Breeding" they are usually the ones who advertise on FB and MP as "Pure Bred" puppies but sell them cheaper "without papers" they have no interest in the Welfare of the dog it's all about the money, l have worked in Rescue for many years and constantly see the end result of pups that are sold on these websites only to go onto be "mothers" as soon as they go on heat.  If people breed responsibly then this could only be a good thing for all breeds and the Breeders who are Registered, Responsible and who do the right thing

[Dogsfevr]

This method has been used for years by councils but not well enough 

[asal]

Had an interesting conversation with a lady this weekend 

She had decided to get a bitch of her favourite breed to show and later breed.

Rejoined dogs NSW, sat the required breeders exam 12 months later to then after passing register her prefix.

Next she was inspected by the ANKC liaison officer to ensure she complied with the POCTA legislation for registered breeders.

To her amazement she learnt that her live in the house pet/show/ potential brood girl, had to not only have her designated 6 foot high kennel and run, as well a well seperated an isolation quarantine kennel area, signage with her vets name and contact number. Written fire and flood evacuation plan, fire extinguisher and number of employees of her "business"....

 

I do remember when I was inspected for POCTA compliance thinking " surely this is drafted that to pass, you ARE now a puppy farm.". The very monster's to be eliminated????

 

So I fully understand her shock and revulsion of the whole experience...

 

Screams now a witch hunt Target 

Surely

 

Not surprisingly she has decided wants no part of this scenario.

 

Her girl will be desexed after she has bred an unregistered litter to keep one for the future and desex and pet home those she won't keep.

 

. another lost to the breed and rapidly shrinking gene pool 

 

Exactly as PETA planned and boasted is on track in 2020....

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:26 AM by asal

[asal]

Somehow I doubt neither the manipulated politicians or Australian public will wake up before it's too late to save domestic dogs and cats from the extinction, the PETA spokesperson boasted in 2020 "is on track within this generation "

 

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[moosmum]

Nor ANKC, whos members have played a huge part in this result in their attempts to fulfill the Objectives as set out in the whole of their written intention and constitution. 

The reason? Its not based on reality. Value is subjective. All of it. ANKC attached the value of a K9 to their Objective.

The Objective is value negative. Any value attached the objective can only be expressed in the negative.

In language, its created a double negative. The objective can't achieve definition, because you can't DEFINE it. Not when a 'good dog' or an 'improved' dog is defined by a pedigree standard.

They are not the same thing.

All this, from a faith based statement that refuses recognition of cross breed dogs to place the value of a dog into its pedigree.

I set out years ago to solve this riddle, and spent the last few on the science forums to test and fully understand it, back to its mathematical formulae, and did it. 

Its not what I thought I had. I doubt I will get anyone to believe it, but it works. In every instance to which its been applied. It has not been able to be falsified.

The duality of the Objective and subjective realities and the basic laws governing our use of mathematics, language, biology, science etc.

 

 

All 'states' are in decline. The only 'pure' state is nothing. If you can't define the objective state, but any purpose is subverted to its maintainance, it will only be achieved when you have nothing. Because anything that doesn't belong by definition must be eliminated. Anything not recognized to support the state AS recognized... must be a foreign state to be eliminated. Hence the organism dies, eventually, while its species continues to evolve. Self imposed eugenics.

 By by dogs!

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:32 PM by moosmum

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@moosmum that's very complicated and thought provoking, but I understand the basics. Thank you.  

[moosmum]

Yes, it is. But how it works is demonstrated by our use of mathematics to model reality and supported by all known laws of physics including biophysics and evolutionary science.

 

The foundations that domestic dogs were built on are being systematically eliminated. The supports that allow them. We discredit them from the equation. Disallowed. Because we can't recognize where the value actually lies. 

Use and understanding of known Pedigrees can lead to improved dog breeding, but they do NOT decide the value of a dog. Its 'validity'.

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:55 AM by moosmum

[moosmum]

On 17/10/2025 at 10:43 AM, DonnaMariee said:

Im hoping this will mean that we can "weed out" the very people who do so much damage to the Breeds by "Backyard Breeding" they are usually the ones who advertise on FB and MP as "Pure Bred" puppies but sell them cheaper "without papers" they have no interest in the Welfare of the dog it's all about the money, l have worked in Rescue for many years and constantly see the end result of pups that are sold on these websites only to go onto be "mothers" as soon as they go on heat.  If people breed responsibly then this could only be a good thing for all breeds and the Breeders who are Registered, Responsible and who do the right thing

 

I can promise you 'weeding out' poor practices with restrictions on who can breed and under what conditions is not going to lead to better outcomes.

Nor will trying trying to distance ourselves from poor practices. They are driven to fail by that approach.  We all are. There is no responsibility being taken in that approach. Only a denial of any ability to respond.

Provide the tools to do better, and the encouragement and example to use them. 

If you want such a thing as a credible dog breeder, take responsibility for enabling  that, not just 'Pedigrees'. Pedigrees have their own set of problems.

There was  a thing or 2 to be learned from the other side, before  it was driven into chaos by discrediting any who try to bring credibility outside the pedigree system.

Where do you think most of the breeds in existence today came from? And for the most part with far fewer health issues, greater longevity, better adaptability to the environments they were expected to fill.

How much more could have been accomplished with the modern technology and science available, if it was encouraged to be used out side the pedigree system?

If dog breeder meant only what is implicit by definition, and there was such a thing as common expectation of responsibility to that Objective?

 

Pedigrees will be gone before your dream comes true. They will not survive with their foundations knocked out from under. Time to try some thing different. 'Same old' is insanity. Its not reality.  I promise I can argue that point while you go in circles. Apologies for the sheer frustration coming through.

Edited yesterday at 12:05 PM by moosmum

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I do see where DonnaMariee is coming from in regards to backyard breeders.

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Provide the tools to do better, and the encouragement and example to use them. 

 

Looking through my rescue goggles....
Out of the dogs we take in (small breed rescue), and pound inmates, small breed crosses and Oodles have skyrocketed after Covid. And if their breeders join alternative registries, they don't seem to be any kind of education resource for their members.  Bad knees, weird eyes, fatal heart problems etc. 

Pedigree or not; Frenchies, Pugs and Dachshunds seem to be a mess of BOAS and/or IVDD or skeletal issues. Chi are being bred so tiny that they clearly have hydrocephalus. Cavalier's hearts seem no better than when it was first acknowledged there was MVD in almost every dog.  

Worse. Heartbreakingly, pounds are packed full of bull breed and working breed crosses going nowhere fast.   I don't know the answer for that one but without owners desexing and literally ending the cycle, many many more of their puppies are going to outright die or spend a year in no-kill waiting for a home.  

 

@moosmumI don't want to see pets go extinct.
I don't want to see excess killed.
And I don't want to see poor breeding practices regardless of their status.
I feel stuck between all outcomes.
We should be doing better.

[moosmum]

We should be doing much better, all 'round. I can understand DonnaMairee too, so the apology at my frustration. 

But there are breeders with genuine and worth while goals who health test amongst them getting discredited under that banner and so finding it impossible to get any credit nor being held up as better examples- Which is how people decide to emulate and improvement happens. No one has the perfect set ups or outcomes, look and you will find fault. And thats what we are training to look for. We promote fault in breeders to such an extent no one can raise their head for notice with out it being shot at. 

 

There should be no "stuck between". Its one space here, of people who want dogs in their lives in one capacity or another. Its in bad shape. But its what we have.

We can recognize that, and improve it, which means value adding.

Or we can keep refusing to understand its all one space we share, and trying to delete our way to a pure state. Discard value.

One way works and the other leads to nothing worth having anymore.

Basic biology and evolutionary science teaches us that. Those same laws are repeated in social science. Recognize your environment and show your value to gain favor, or attack. 

 

People are for the most part trying to do the best they can. It falls woefully short, no argument. Ignorance comes easy when information is with held. It absolutely is.

Breeders- because thats what they are when they breed dogs, are berated, ridiculed and abused for their ignorance. And learn nothing but  'Don't ask, Don't touch. You don't have what we want and never can'.  A great show of response -abilty in that!

I do understand the sheer magnitude of ignorance can be over whelming.  Thats our collective fault that there is so little familiarity that even the best display it beyond their own fields, often just as overwhelmingly. Because we refuse to accept things can actually be other than what we know of our own. 

 

There are solutions, but so little time left to implement them and  there needs to be a huge paradigm shift before they will be. This process has been underway for too long already, and it gains momentum at an incredible rate since we have set up all the conditions needed to end it.