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Mmmm I wonder if he will relax enough to allow a chiro to go over him. May try this, but need a muzzle first. Thanks for the recommendation of a Jafco muzzle. Yes the lead around his muzzle was really only a last resort.

Agree with all of the above. Definitely contact Aiden (Aiden2 on DOL). The problem is if no-one has "listened" to his growls of warning and just forced him to do something, an escalation to a bite is not all that surprising. Thanks for letting me know who Aidan is, if I'm right he lives in Hobart ??? Agree about listening to his growls, he is at least still warning us, I hope that continues.

Apologies for not answering sooner, been in Hosp. HW honestly the thought of taking him to the Vet fills me with horror. He's shocking there. Has to be muzzled and has needed sedation in the past as well. He means business. I think I need to get him to a Vet for an assessment though. It will be a good starting point. Can anyone suggest a good brand of muzzle please ??? Who is Aidan Bindoff ???

Just hoping for some advice on a problem we are having with our boy. Background: Saba is an 8 year old castrated Basenji. We have had him since 8 weeks, socialised a lot etc. He was our first Basenji, bought as a show dog. All was well till about 6-8 months, when he started growling at judges, while he was on the table. Eventually he was retired,, after trying all help and info that we got, including a behaviourist. None of his siblings of either sex, have any issues with agression at all. Breeder has been incredibly fantastic over this time, and I know we are the problem with him, we have done something wrong to cause this ... I have actually purchased 2 more bitches, both related to Saba, from the same breeder, that's how much I belive that we ruined him somehow, not that he is/was genetically temperamentally stuffed... He is now very human aggressive, (we have really failed him in so many ways, it really upsets me), growls at us daily, has bitten all 4 of us over the years. He is my heart dog, I just adore this boy. He was the pack leader of the Basenji's, till my oldest girl flattened him one day, and he relinquished 'top dog position' to her. Problem: We live in Tassie, and it's cold down here. He has always hated his feet and legs being touched, (I really don't know why this is, he was thoroughly handled as a baby). Over the years he has just gotten worse. We can cut his nails, lying on his back, one person on each leg with him screaming profanities at us, trying to bite us. It's a bloody nightmare. We have 5 Basenji's now, and he generally goes out into the exercise run with the 'pack leader' bossy bitch. They had a bit of a spat about 2 weeks ago. A few very superficial scrapes on both of them. Nothing to concern us. Now we have these feet issues that have increase dramatically, since this spat. Well, the problem I have now is we cannot put his 2 coats on, to keep him warm. He will not let us put/guide his legs through the leg holes on the coat. He is really trying to bite us. None of the 4 of us, (me, hubby, 2 young adult girls) are really scared of him as such, until now. We have had temps between -3 to 0, in the mornings regularly recently, and I cannot put him down in the run without a coat on, it's just cruel, I think. Hubby thinks its fine to just grab his leg, shove it through the hole, (roughly the last time he did it, he's now banned from doing anything with him), with someone firmly holding his head, and if he tries to have a go, he just grabs his head and either hits him, or shakes him. I keep telling him that you can't treat aggression with aggression. He just believes that Saba has 'got it all over us', and we need to stop pandering to him. He thinks Saba has to learn we are the 'pack leader, not him'. How do I get a coat on him safely ??? At the moment he is wearing 1 coat in the house, and if 2 people are home, (not hubby now), one uses a lead to muzzle him and hold his head, while the other gently puts his feet through the leg holes. He growls with intent, the whole way through having this done. If it's only 1 person at home, (it's usually me), he goes out for a reduced time, and comes back up to the house. It's just too cold for him outside with just one coat on, I think. I desperately need some help in trying to desensitise him to having his legs/feet touched. I think I have begun to overthink this, and it is just leading to tears, and I just don't know what to do, how to do it . Apologies for such a long essay, just trying to get everything down that might be relevant.

I'm not sure that i would recommend this breed to a first time dog owner at all. There could be some mellow adults around though I suppose? I agree with OP that something out of the baby stage would be better. As a breeder and owner of Basenji's, no, no, no way would I allow a puppy/adult go to this family. As RP says they most certainly aren't for the new dog owner. They are very primitive in their thinking and behaving, which makes them a difficult breed in a lot if ways. They need a strong leader. Agreed! and twelve foot fencing with a lid on top! Lovely, unique breed, but not for everyone! Oh, and barkless does not necessarily equate to silent! Absolutely GL, I have 10 foot fences, and one boy will occasionally get over that, with no problems, little s#*t, only picks and chooses when he does it ... Oh no, they are generally far more vocal than my ACD's, the noises they can make would wake the dead, I'm sure :-)... Especially around breeding time, the boys absolutely scream at each other, it's just incredible.

I'm not sure that i would recommend this breed to a first time dog owner at all. There could be some mellow adults around though I suppose? I agree with OP that something out of the baby stage would be better. As a breeder and owner of Basenji's, no, no, no way would I allow a puppy/adult go to this family. As RP says they most certainly aren't for the new dog owner. They are very primitive in their thinking and behaving, which makes them a difficult breed in a lot if ways. They need a strong leader.

Thanks for the replies everyone. Prog testing at this late stage wasn't possible, down here in Tassie. I decided to try them together today, to see what happened. She has definately 'shut up shop', so fingers crossed all goes to plan :) ...

Just curious about the numbers of matings that i should do... Basenji bitch, 6 years old, 2nd litter, perfect health. Came into season later than usual this year, bled for 3-4 days with small swelling. Bleeding then stopped, swelling went down. Then swelling started again day 10, no more bleeding. Tried a mating on day 11, successful 17 min tie. Then the next day another 10 minute tie. So this is day 11 and 12. Advice from experienced breeder, and this bitch's breeder, was to try another today, so now day 14. Another 18 min tie. So after all this, I'm wondering if I should try again tomorrow ??? She was initially a bit growly with him today, but we still got the tie. Breeder says try tomorrow, she will either accept him, or tell him to rack off !!! This bitch's mother only accepts the dog very late in her season, if that's of any interest. Just not sure to call it quits now, or try again tomorrow. Any idea's ???

Lisa, I just don't know what to say. I can't stop thinking of you all. I know what this stunning boy meant to you, i know what a huge help he has been over the last few years, I know how much you adored this homebred boy. I just don't know what to say to you, other than to send you huge (((((hugs))))). If you need to talk ring, text, or pm me. RIP Wog, you were soooo very loved and adored .

Have a possible Basenji litter due 20th July. Fingers and toes crossed :) ...

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Just a quick question. Show dog in a scrap this afternoon, somehow has loosened his upper canine. Vet visit and it looks like he will loose that tooth, having an xray in the morning to see how bad the damage is. Could go to Vic, (we are in Tassie, no dentist in Tas at all ), to see a Dental Specialist, (no money for that), with no guarantee of successful saving of the tooth. At this stage best case scenario, is suture/wire the tooth in and pray it repairs, worse case scenario is he looses the tooth. Is it even worth getting a Vet Certificate, so we can continue showing him, or just retire him gracefully ???

Oh yes, I have one of these... Intact 4 year old boy, couldn't believe it when I first saw him do it. Thought I got it wrong, until a few days later I saw him from start to finish... Ummm, not something I'm terribly proud of, just pray he never does it at a show, lol ...

I think I read something yesterday about this group and it sounds like 2 of the main people are disgruntled, (and now banned), Dogs NSW people... Speaks volumes really :) ...

If i Not to be rude but isnt that a little bit of cheating? Your dog has a problem which would preclude it from breeding and after rehab it goes on as an entire dog to win shows? If it's becoming more common in your breed and this type of thing is happening it's not surprising. Champion on paper = $$ for puppies. I DIDN'T BREED FROM HER... She was rehomed, DESEXED, after she achieved her title... Is it cheating showing her with a diagnosed medical condition ??? No not in my eyes it wasn't, plenty of dogs running around the show rings all over Australia with diseases/medical issues precluding them from the 'breeding barn' I.e. HD/ED, (know of a Belgian Shep with hip score of over 100, and he's a multi Best in Show winner, and moves like a dream ???) OCD, PRA, Von Willibrands, ( ?Sp?), Epilepsy, etc, etc... We show our dogs as a fun weekend for the family, to find a judges opinion on our dogs. We are not big breeders, and we do not breed all the dogs we show, either. I know the whole purpose of exhibiting the dogs, is for judges to find the dog who more closely resembles the breed standard, and to evaluate breeding stock, but having a Ch, Gr Ch or Sup Ch, doesn't mean it HAS to be bred...

I'm sorry for what you have gone through with this pup... OCD IS common in the ACD, but getting the majority of breeders to admit it, is another thing altogether . How do I know, I bought a gorgeous bitch many years ago, diagnosed at about 8 months with OCD of her hock, a not very common place for ACD's, more commonly found in the elbow/shoulder. I tried my best to find info about the sire, (was used extensively at stud, and had apparently not produced it, but who knows), and the bitch, (first time used, but apparently not in her lines ???), then cut off from her breeder ... Long story short, we had her operated on by a very well known Sydney Orthopaedic Surgeon, (we live in Tassie, and wanted the best), very soon after diagnosis. We thought her show career was over, but we talked to the surgeon who assured us that she had operated on a number of big winning dogs around the country, who all resumed their show careers, after rehab, successfully... So did she, I thought she deserved her title, and it was an exciting day, when she acheived it :) ... I found her the perfect home, after I spayed her, where she was a truckies dog, and a very capable one at that !!!! She lived a long and happy life with no issues from her OCD or Surgery.

I've been in a similar situation to this... In my young teens I used to work for a Vet. In came a dog show person with a beautiful young sighthound, her glorious coat fully clipped off. The owner wanted her PTS, the reason ????????????? "she wasn't winning in the ring", yep they were his words. My wonderful Vet tried soooooo hard to talk him out of it, offered to keep her, offered to rehome her etc, it all fell on deaf ears, he wanted her put down, end of story. The worst part of this story was he refused to stay with her while she was put to sleep, he was "too busy". That joy was left to the Vet and myself. We both cried over that total waste of life. She wagged her tail for us right to the end I can still see her gorgeous, sweet face . RIP gorgeous girl. Sad thing is, this piece of s*#t is still showing dogs, not sighthounds anymore, but another breed. I occasionally see his results, and I cringe, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Even have a few of his dogs being campaigned here in Tassie, and I'm just grateful these dogs won't die the same way...

Ellz I saw this to, and just cringed. I also noticed the comments about lack of confidence from the Vet, as well. I thought about posting about my experience, but decided not to get that involved... Not sure where the private consult room is going to be either ???

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Sorry I forgot to add that when she checked over the ?Bowel obstruction dog?, (this is just my diagnosis), before my '5 attempts to get a needle into 2 dogs' consult she did go out the back to make a phone call, I'm presuming to run her diagnosis by a more qualified Vet... What worries me is anti-inflammitories, antibiotics and just wait and see attitude to an obviously unwell dog, may be even more frightening... How you can make any sort of diagnosis without even looking at the patient is beyond me... Perhaps the Vet on the phone was the owner of the Practice ??? Im really not sure if this clinic is a benefit to the public, if the Vets, (im presuming they have more than the unfortunate one we saw), they are using, are incapable of administering the very basic of care ??? The very same care that they are offering/promoting???

Exactly Denali, a very simple thing, im sure they are taught in1st year, then they woukd be practicing this skill, regularly for the next 5 years ?????????????????? 5 attempts for 2 dogs ??? My hubby is a nurse, he very nearly snatched the needle from her and did them both himself, lol...

Waggy I've been trying for 2 days now to get results, and nothing. Absolutely bloody disgraceful ... I've heard that they have had problems since early last week, wouldn't you think they would have a team working 24/7 to fix it, so its functional at the busiest time of the year ????

I had the misfortune of taking my 2 young ACD's, 2 year old boy, and 5 month old boy, to this clinic for vaccination. Older boy went first, very young Vet, (perhaps just out of Vet school???), needed 3 attempts to insert needle into him . Thankfully he wasnt worried by her constant attempts to get the needle into him .Very basic 'checkup', listened to his heart, checked eyes, ears, mouth etc, no temperature taken ??? Pretty much the same happened with the young boy, but failed to notice he has 2 retained baby teeth next to his canines, despite 'checking' his teeth . She tried twice to get the needle into him ... No I wasn't at all impressed with her skills, and this is a very basic skill that she should have had. Also dog before us, a 2 year old very lethargic large crossbreed, she thought he might have a bowel obstruction, but gave anti-inflammatory, antibiotic, and was sent home, with the advice that if he was still unwell to bring him back tomorrow WHAT ??????? I hope that poor dog is still alive... I will not be going back to that clinic, EVER. I will not recommend anyone to take their dogs there either.

Yes apparently it is illegal to feed any offal to dogs in Tassie, and it is to do with the Hydatid Tapeworm...

I currently have a litter of 8 ACD pups, aged 9 1/2 weeks of age. Pups are mostly away from Mum all day, then when they come back inside at night, they are fed their raw portion of their diet. Then when they go to bed, they are all in the whelping box, Mum is in the area, but only goes into the box to feed them very occasionally. No forced weaning in this house, and I really can't understand the need to want to get them off Mum, so desperately. As many others have said, Mum will tell them to p*ss off when she's had enough. They were vaccinated at 8 weeks, and they start to go off to their new homes this w'end. I'm not going to comment on letting them go at 6 weeks, soooo wrong on so many levels as far as I'm concerned. Don't want a Doliday.