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Honestly Dju I have no idea what you want. First you whinge about how awful the puppy school was, then when people give you advice, you say it's not that bad and you are going to stick with it I give up.

As Corvus said earlier, restraining a puppy like that is not how I would deal with his behaviour but hey, if you don't want to listen to any advice you are given, Dju, that is your prerogative. Perhaps it would be best if you stuck to one set of advice that is given to you and that's it. Consistency is key and all that.

That's awesome BD! Make sure you keep us updated on your progress We have a K9 Pro chat thread on the FB fan page if you want join us

Cassie is free to come into the thread and enlighten as to why she would advise a puppy owner not to socialise their puppy until well after their most critical period. Until then, I will assume that Dju is telling the truth when she said Cassie told her not to socialise Hugo until he had all his vaccinations Dju I would be seriously reluctant to return to a puppy school that treats you in that fashion.

It really is a monumental occasion :rolleyes: Again, I do agree with you Corvus. I also would be reluctant to go back to puppy school if the only solution to Hugo's behaviour to force him to be in that situation by making him be "still" until he gives up.

How is Dju a dubious source? From what I understand, she had Hugo booked into puppy school for the week she bought him home but her breeder told her not to socialise him until he had all his vaccinations. What is there to assume about that? I'm not trashing anyone, I am simply stating that breeders need to be more careful with the advice they give.

Did she though ?? I wonder if Demi manages to listen long enough to know what people say, being the devils advocate here, you are trashing the breeder without the breeders voice being heard ! Yes, there was a whole conversation in the Spitz thread about it with a couple of breeders even piping up and agreeing that Hugo shouldn't be socialised until he'd had all his vaccinations.

TLC, I believe Dju was booked into puppy school earlier and was intending to socialise Hugo before now but her breeder and some other breeders in the spitz thread told her not to do any socialisation until he had all his vaccinations. Those of us who are more involved in the training side of things naturally disagreed as we think it is a balance and there is such a small, crucial window in a puppy's critical socialisation period :rolleyes:

I can't believe I am saying this, but I totally agree with Corvus. ETA: although I know you mean well Demi, the people I am angriest with over this are the breeders who told you and put pressure on you not to socialise him :rolleyes:

I will add one more thing, this is not to discourage you at all Demi, but this is the reason so many of us told you not to wait to socialise Hugo and that his behaviour would get worse if you left it too long. Breeders can mean well and I get where they are coming from about parvo, but this is the kind of thing that happens when well meaning puppy owners take their advice about not socialising them until they have had all their vaccinations and miss their critical socialisastion period. I am sure Hugo's behaviour can be turned around if you put the hard work in, don't let the puppy school instructors make you feel like you are a bad owner or discourage you from continuing to train him. I am sure you can do it :rolleyes:

Sorry you had such a disheartening experience at puppy school Demi :rolleyes: SwedishDogsDownUnder, I know the place she is going to puppy school, and they are actually full on positive reinforcement trainers. I'm not saying that to defend the way they have treated Demi, but they definitely aren't Cesar Milan type trainers. Demi I'll PM you.

Mum gave me her Nikon Coolpix P80 today, it's a couple of years old but she's barely used it and it's really awesome and much more fun to take pics with than my little canon ixus point and shoot. So I tested it out today on the animals, and got some super cute pics of Cherry, cos she was in a playful mood. Obligatory macro test shot;

Sorry I couldn't get there Erin :rolleyes: I woke up with the worst sinus headache ever, I didn't even get out of bed till almost 11 (super late late late for me!)

You also need to consider why an owner may not see the results they want. The behaviourist may be the best on the planet, but unless the owners follow the program properly and put the work in they won't see the results they could. It may appear to someone who meets the dog that the behaviourist is bad because there was no or little change, but so much of it is reliant on what the owners do, too.

They are awesome! Oh I met a KBT at the markets the other day too

Well, I went to the markets the other day, and saw a Dogue, two Airedales, a Ridgie, a Newfoundland and on the drive home drove past not one but two Borzois! Sheridan, I met a Wheaten at agility club the other night. The owner was so chuffed I knew what it was What a great dog! I showed them to my mum and they are right up her alley. We both want to own one, one day now

I own a crossbreed and I love her just as much as I love my purebred dogs, so I think your hatred towards purebred dog owners is pretty misguided. No-one here thinks they are better than people who own crossbreeds, plenty of us do. But on the whole we are passionate about purebreds and the breeds we own, and want to promote them as the great pets they are. Have you ever been really passionate about something? I own two purebreds and I love both breeds to pieces. I love everything about them. I love to see them out and about, I love to see other owners who also feel as passionate about their chosen breed as I do. I love that when I get a dog of this breed, I can count on it to be of a certain type, size and temperament, that all those little things I love about the breed is not just isolated to the dog I have sitting in my lounge room right now. It devastates me to see my breed in rescues or pounds, which is another reason I love to accurately promote the breeds I own, so they can go to the best most suitable homes possible. I know breeders who have spent decades breeding my breed because they are even more passionate about their dogs than I am. Which is why it turns my stomach to hear from people who take my breed because they don't like certain elements about it, mix it with something else, and then claim that by doing so, they've taken away the very things that I love about my breed. Doing this makes it even harder for these dogs to find suitable homes, because crossbreeds do not have the same predictability as purebreds, and there is never any guarantee that the traits that make my breed unsuitable for certain types of people to own, can be magically erased by crossbreeding them. It is not about the crossbreeds themselves. It is about the kind of people who breed them, the conditions they are often bred in, the misinformation spread about them, the fact that these dogs will never be able to contribute anything to my breed's gene pool, they will never do anything to preserve my breed as it is and has been for a very long time. You've bought up a few times that many breeds were originally created by crossbreeding. That's true, but there is no comparison to the selective breeding that goes into creating and developing new breeds, and the crossbreeding we see today. If someone genuinely wants to create a new breed and does so in an ethical and responsible manner, props to them. It's not easy, though, and it's certainly not as simple as crossing Dog A with Dog B for no real purpose.

No it's because I'm elitist and secretly wish the entire world was an Aryan race...

Exactly! Purebreds get bad and unfair press from the general public. As someone who owns and is passionate about purebred dogs, I like to dispel those myths, rather then see people supporting BYBers, pet stores and puppy farms because of some misguided notions DD or crossbreeds in general are always healthier or always the better option. There's a reason why most working dogs are purebred, and it's the same reason why I always buy purebreds from reputable breeders.

it is labeled as a purebreed forum but there is a whole section dedicated to rehoming orphaned dogs, most of which would not be pure bred. and about 95% of the topics aren't specific at pure breeds so if it's not being moderated i wouldn't think the general population would have a problem with it? Perhaps, but this thread is titled "Best Promotion of Purebred Dogs" So, it's about purebreed dogs. Of course they are going to be talked about. It's not about cute dogs, or dogs in general. I'm not sure why you can come into a thread titled as such and complain about it's contents when it's clearly stated in the topic title. Because some people love any excuse to whinge or feel "offended" about something.

Because this forum exists to promote purebred dogs. How you could come here, where the top of the forum clearly and proudly states this is Australia's Pure Bred Dog Community and then act surprised and offended when people want to promote what great pets purebreds make is beyond me. It's not about "showing off" or "feeling wiser". It's a genuine passion and interest in promoting purebred dogs as excellent pets. I am PROUD to have two well bred purebred dogs who are great examples of their breed, and great examples of why purebred dogs make fantastic pets. There are a lot of valid and genuine reasons why I tell people to get a purebred from a reputable breeder (or adopt a rescue dog) rather than shop at a pet store, or go to a BYBer. That's not to say that crossbreed dogs don't make good pets, or that no one should own them, or that they are lesser dogs than a purebred dog. But, we need to promote and preserve our breeds so that people can continue to enjoy them many years to come. I don't know about you, but the thought that purebred dogs could become extinct is pretty devastating to me.

So glad you now have a better relationship with your dog, babydragon and it sounds like it will only get better! I still have a LOT to learn and work on with my dog but I never dreamed we would be able to get to where we are now. It is the best feeling ever.

Like others have said it would depend on what you meant by 'bond'. I don't think I could live with a dog that was a totally wrong fit for me to the point where I was miserable all the time and so was the dog, because I couldn't provide them with what they needed. It took me a long time to bond with Daisy because she was a real challenge and PITA from the day I bought her home at eight weeks. I felt like I was constantly fighting her, working against her instead of with her. I put a lot of work in to build a better relationship with her and it's improved so much sometimes I forget how hard it used to be. People who knew us 'before' comment on what a different dog she is now. However, I still don't feel like we are quite there yet and I think there is definitely still room for improvement.

You and the puppies are going to kick butt next year Nik :D

I say this with respect and compassion for the owner Huski, but this is a typical example of dog gone out of control with too much drive for conventional motivational training. There is clearly a point in the dog's development where this type of dog must be switched to include aversive based training to set boundaries, consequences and redirect drive. In the hands of an experienced K9 trainer this dog's behaviour would not have escalated into killing cats and needing to be rehomed. As a gesture Huski, next time you argue aversion versus motivational training, think about this scenario and remember the mess that occurred training a dog in the wrong methods unsuitable for it's type. I don't have any problem with using aversives in training at all. Where did you get that idea from? Perhaps instead of trying to be a condescending smartarse you could focus on being less of a douchebag. Deal?